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More psychedelic questions...
    #22307146 - 09/29/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I've had plenty of experience with shrooms and lsd mostly. Bunch of dxm as a teen unfortunately. Now I am curious about a couple other drugs to try.

First, whatsup with MDMA vs MDA? What's the difference and which is better in your opinion for just hanging out with some close buddies. I'm not a raver or dancer really...

Also, I am looking into the 2C-series and I know nothing about them nor do I trust them. But ive heard 2C-B is the best since it's calming, euphoric and amazing visuals. Any experience?

And lastly, what's it like to mix lsd and shrooms? Or rather mix anything besides weed and benzos with a trip? Always been too nervous to mix the two or add any other drug to the tripping experience. Heard great things about candy/hippy flipping though lol. Feel free to add anything even if only want to answer one questions


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22308209 - 09/29/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mescaline my friend


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #22308322 - 09/29/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't there a lot of mind fuck with that? I like the clarity of psychedelics,  but hate the confusion and disorientation that comes with it sometimes. Tell me more about your mescaline experience por favor???


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22308518 - 09/29/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Very clear headed no mindfuck like mushrooms lots of amaZing realizations very colorful geometric kinda like lsd body buzz with organic shroomy visuals its an amazing experience for sure a must try


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22308551 - 09/29/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

DMT man :peak:

fuck benzos bro, especialy in a trip. it kills it pretty much

DMT with any psych is like :mindblown:

also maybe you could try nitrous on L or shrooms. its amazing :vibin:


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22308576 - 09/29/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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First, whatsup with MDMA vs MDA? What's the difference and which is better in your opinion for just hanging out with some close buddies. I'm not a raver or dancer really...





I find MDMA to have a much more pronounced empathogenic and "loved up" aspect to it. MDMA is a bit more mellow than MDA as far as stimulation/energy goes (real deal mdma tends to be super mellow and chilled out for me, that's not to say I won't dance my ass off for hours on end while on it, just saying that if I'm not dancing I have absolutely no problem just posting up somewhere cozy and meditating for a bit or chatting up with someone for hours).


MDA is a bit more stimulating for me, has more of a psychedelic headspace than mdma and will produce some mild visuals for me (depending on the dose...and not quite full blown psychedelia in my experience). It doesn't have as strong of an empathogenic aspect as MDMA, but there is still that component to its effects. I also find that MDA seems to last a little longer than MDMA in my experience with it.

If I was going to hang out with some friends in a chill setting like someone's home, I'd go with either of them....but I do prefer MDMA over MDA in general.





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.....And lastly, what's it like to mix lsd and shrooms?





Only one way to find out :shrug: :smirk: . I've done this a few times over the years and did it last month, but I honestly can't explain or convey the differences between LSD alone versus it being paired with mushrooms. I really enjoy them together though :yesnod: ,

Whenever I do take them together, I like to take the mushrooms on top of the lsd, since the L lasts so long....I'll usually nibble on some mushrooms 2 or 3 hours after dosing the L, right before or during the point the L starts to peak .






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Isn't there a lot of mind fuck with that? I like the clarity of psychedelics,  but hate the confusion and disorientation that comes with it sometimes. Tell me more about your mescaline experience por favor???





Well, the 2c series chems are analogs of mescaline :shrug: .

Out of the classic psychedelics....Mescaline is by far the most clear headed and gentle psychedelic IME, not to say one can't get far out on it...but as far as "average" dosing goes, mescaline is way clear and easy going.

The shroomery member "Dark Star" explained the mescaline experience in a few words very well in another thread months ago, so I'll just post his description of mescaline >>>>


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[mescaline is.....] Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.











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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22308595 - 09/29/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Benzos kill the mind fuck and confusion from shrooms, but definitely not the visuals I guarantee that. Yes I will try dmt one day. Probably give mescaline a go first though. Sounds like I may even enjoy that more than shrooms lol. Hard to beat that haha. Also I love lsd but it can be a bit too stimulating at some points on high doses. Is mescaline stimulating like that. I hate being super anxious while tripping

With dark stars description, mescaline may be right up my alleyes to try lol. Thanks guys


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22308606 - 09/29/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From my old copy of "ecstasy and the dance culture" by Nicholas Saunders:

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MDEA and MDA are two common drugs similar to MDMA. All three are psychedelic amphetamines with fairly similar effects, although connoisseurs invariably prefer MDMA because of its empathic quality. MDA lasts twice as long (8-12 hours) and has a rather more amphetamine-like effect. MDEA ... lasts a rather shorter time (3-5 hours) than MDMA (4-6 hours) and is nearer to MDMA in effect, but still lacks its communicative qualities.




[Edit: that's pretty much what openmind has posted above, beat me to it...]

Not sure if there is really supposed to be too much discussion of ecstasy or RCs in TPE......but based on that paragraph probably MDMA would be better for hanging out.

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I'm not a raver or dancer really...




Listen to something with beats while on ecstasy and you will suddenly want to start dancing. It's part of the effect, you are much more in-tune to the beats and rhythms and also much less inhibited about dancing than you might be normally....

:dancingbear: :bearbreakdance: :dancingbear:

Just look at those bears go!


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin] * 1
    #22309017 - 09/29/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Benzos kill the mind fuck and confusion from shrooms, but definitely not the visuals I guarantee that. .....






So you take psychedelics solely for the visual aspect?


Eating a benzo with psychedelics, makes not even the least bit of sense to me....but, to each their own I guess.


Benzos just drastically dull down my thoughts and mind, make me feel numb. The absolute opposite reasons I eat psychedelics.


Get a handle on your thoughts and mind, and there won't be any mind fuck or need for a benzo.






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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: openmind]
    #22309263 - 09/29/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did I say I use benzos everytime? I've used valium twice in my over 100 trips so don't assume what you don't know. But i did it because I had chronic pain issues at the time, which in turn caused some anxiety and I have backup valiums. Actually seemed to calm my mind enough to let the visuals and euphoria flow even better while shrooming. Have a fucking blast after that. More clarity and less confusion from the mindfuck. Calmed down and the visuals actually escalated, flowed better and stabilized. This is not an every trip habit. Less than 2 percent of my trips, I have done this. The other time was on acid and I thought I was about to die on over 400 mcg and also not in the best place in my life.


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Aldebaran]
    #22311013 - 09/29/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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From my old copy of "ecstasy and the dance culture" by Nicholas Saunders:

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MDEA and MDA are two common drugs similar to MDMA. All three are psychedelic amphetamines with fairly similar effects, although connoisseurs invariably prefer MDMA because of its empathic quality. MDA lasts twice as long (8-12 hours) and has a rather more amphetamine-like effect. MDEA ... lasts a rather shorter time (3-5 hours) than MDMA (4-6 hours) and is nearer to MDMA in effect, but still lacks its communicative qualities.




[Edit: that's pretty much what openmind has posted above, beat me to it...]

Not sure if there is really supposed to be too much discussion of ecstasy or RCs in TPE......but based on that paragraph probably MDMA would be better for hanging out.

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I'm not a raver or dancer really...




Listen to something with beats while on ecstasy and you will suddenly want to start dancing. It's part of the effect, you are much more in-tune to the beats and rhythms and also much less inhibited about dancing than you might be normally....

:dancingbear: :bearbreakdance: :dancingbear:

Just look at those bears go!



I don't know if the pills I used to get back in the day were pure MDA or an MDA/MDMA mix but they had a nice powerful stim, a slightly pyschedelic shift in color and some cool glitchy/stuttering eye wiggle visuals and were extremely empathogenic.  Lasted 5-6 hours and I've had meth, didn't seem like they contained any and they were quite a different beast than MDMA so I'm guessing they were pure MDA.  I personally prefer the extra stim of MDA, too pure of MDMA leaves me all languid and couch-locked without getting that rolling face feeling that MDA has.  I think it depends on whether you're a stim person or a downer person, connoisseurship ain't got nothing to do with it.  MDMA is begging for some mushrooms to make it more MDA-like in my opinion.   
:ruggedwink: 

OP- MDMA is great for having a cuddlefest with your woman, but unless you want to cuddle your guy friends I would say mescaline is a much better way to go.  It has a manly energy to it for me.  It is by far the most clear headed mindspace of the classic psychs and keeps you stimmed and ready to hang out, chat, dance or whatever.  Good social psych.  Expensive, rare stuff these days, unless you buy the cactus yourself and extract, even then it's still expensive.


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22314330 - 09/30/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Haha right on. Yeah mescaline is on my bucket list for sure now. But I'm going to be trying mdma here soon. I think I'd enjoy that more since I'm more laid back and don't go to raves, etc. I like the bonding feeling with friends and family and of course my girl


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22314474 - 09/30/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Heard great things about candy/hippy flipping though lol. Feel free to add anything even if only want to answer one questions




Hippyflip :thumbup: I dosed simultaneously, had the come up together, a bit of worries that I took too much, but those are usually the best of times. Then when the peak hit it was jawdropping. Synergy was perfect. The X took away much of the shroomy confusion and added a lot of energy, while the shrooms gave those beautiful visuals to the typical eyejittery drunkenness of the X. A winner combo. Do it at least once...

Love, Hanz.


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Heisencybin]
    #23269605 - 05/25/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

2C-B does not have "amazing visuals" and there is almost no mindfuck

Oh ya and both MDA and MDMA are great and I like MDMA for just hanging out (or spazzin out) with friends. I don't like parties and shit.


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23269942 - 05/25/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms + lsd, the only thing you're missing is DMT

I love to mix LSD and shrooms. If I eat shrooms alone, I have to eat around 14 grams to get close to where I want. If I eat 2-300 mics LSD (normal dose is 6-700 mics) and combine it with 2- 3.5 grams shrooms, I'm there. And I feel extra euphoria, a little extra energy (LSD by itself drains me, LSD +shrooms I'm good even after no sleep tripping all night)

I get to save LSD and shrooms, instead of taking 23 grams to get where I want. And I take less than half my usually LSD dose, and it lasts a little longer if I do MDMA and smoke 7+ grams marijuana on top.

I did psilohuasca a couple weeks ago and it was amazing absolutely blissful and extremely visual.

2cb I've heard gives you a better body high. My friend got a fleshlight specifically for use when he had 2cb. He preferred the 2ci for visuals. I've gotten good visuals on 2cp, 2ci, 2cd, but not on 2cn or 2ce, 2cn was practically nothing then 45 minutes later donzo, and 2ce was very mind opening but a step down from 2ci, p. I haven't had a chance to try 2cb though.

And to the guy that said add n2o
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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23270221 - 05/25/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Well I haven't tried 2C-E but from what I hear it's supposed to be quite the powerful and visual 2c.

2C-B visuals are alright and cool but just not anywhere near the level of tryptamines. When it comes to the body highs I don't know about LSD but the shroom body high is definitely better than any 2c. I don't think the shroom body high could possibly be beat. It's too crazy and amazing.

So if 14 grams of shrooms is your normal dose or the dose that gets you where you want to go how much LSD does it take you to get you where you want to? 12 hits? 14 hits? 20??


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    #23270287 - 05/25/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

At least 6-7 hits. But I always smoke were or do DMT on it too. I will admit I haven't taken as much 2ce as the other 2cx I've tried. If you like the shroom body high. 4aco det all the way


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23270337 - 05/25/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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If you like the shroom body high. 4aco det all the way




5-meo-mipt for me :awesomenod::thumbup:

Very sedating, very stoned, very heavy feeling of bliss.

Visuals not as spectacular as shrooms, but the body euphoria is unmatched. And less fear and loathing for me too.

But I hear some don't like it, or it doesn't work for them.


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Re: More psychedelic questions... [Re: Hanz]
    #23271359 - 05/25/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Small bumps of K and nitrous have always enhanced my past trips.

Once I fell into a k-hole on LSD... It was INTENSE. Other-worldly honestly.


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