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Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA?
    #22306818 - 09/29/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

After reading around a bit, especially on the DMT Nexus, I noticed that a lot of people make changa with just straight up B. Caapi leaves (not extracts). They say that smoking the leaves provides enough MAO inhibition to potentiate the DMT trip. Are the leaves really powerful enough to do that? I guess smoking the leaves during a mushroom trip would also work then? How about a tea made from leaves?

I guess the main question is: how effective are straight, dried Caapi leaves for MAO inhibition?


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Re: Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA? [Re: Satyr604]
    #22306889 - 09/29/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I got confused by this a few months ago and bought B caapi bark thinking I could smoke it.

Heard a few different sources say they smoked just the leaves and it worked well. One of the sources being terence mckenna no less.


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Re: Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA? [Re: Satyr604]
    #22306895 - 09/29/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't use them as a tea but smoked?  Heck yea they do just fine- laid back and happy, with a few tracers.


Smoke some syrian rue seeds; it's even stronger (but not as pleasant).  A tea with these would work well...



Freebasing the matter to be smoked may increase smoked potency several times, I know it does with rue seeds.


For smoking Kratom for example, I freebase the powder with 1/5th sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and enough water to make a paste.

Calcium carbonate might work even better.

Mix well then spread out and let dry.




Anyways; there are some reports of these combinations (leaf/rue seed smoked before DMT) here:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18866690


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I guess smoking the leaves during a mushroom trip would also work then


:awesomenod:


You can't activate oral DMT by smoking Caapi leaves but you sure can potentiate an ongoing experience, or subsequently smoked tryptamines.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22306927 - 09/29/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is all very interesting and encouraging news! Straight up Caapi leaves it is, then!

Flickedbic, I remember reading that you suggested quidding Caapi vine. Would leaves be useful for that as well? I ask because, according to what I've read, smoking MAOI's during a trip give a short-lived intensity to the trip, while oral MAOI's make a whole shroom trip more intense?

I thought about using Syrian rue instead. It's several orders cheaper and more potent than Caapi leaves, but the stories of extreme nausea kind of scare me off..


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Re: Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA? [Re: Satyr604]
    #22306967 - 09/29/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

flickedbic, smoking kratom???

I know that this is done indigenously but have never really gave it much thought.

how does it compare to ingesting it orally? does it also taste like shit that way?


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Re: Straight B. Caapi leaves as MAOI/RIMA? [Re: lurkmode]
    #22307007 - 09/29/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Smoked kratom doesn't really work except on an oral dose. 

Unless it's freebased. 


Then a couple snaps held a while result result in at first a stimulating rush; all the high notes compacted into 10 minutes or so.  Then that ebbs, but over the next 3 hours a gentle flow of narcosis builds into a headiness about that of a 5 gram oral dose with, perhaps, less analgesic effect.
 
After 4 hours it wanes away slowly.




A couple days ago after last smoking some I thought "I'm never eating kratom again!"... and then immediately laughed at myself for my overly enthusiastic joy in this discovery.


I'll still be swallowing the quids at least, for which basification works excellently as well by the way (quids in general are very effective IMO). 

While I wouldn't use calcium carbonate orally, baking soda is widely used in home dental care.

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does it also taste like shit that way?




It tastes a little of fish, and rubber; but more of earth.  It's not scrumptious, but not offputting.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (09/29/15 10:02 AM)


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