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svampnathan
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22422042 - 10/23/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure really... If this works well I kind of like the setup. I´m able to spawn tons of substrate quite fast, and storage (colonization will take more time of course) will not be a big problem. I guess the key (or one of the keys at least) will be to have the logs colonizing in high co2-environment and moisture without getting molds, and then to get them fruiting in concentrated flushes. I like the idea of not having to pasteurize and so, energy efficient and low-tech this way.
But this is just a trial really, I might very well go with straw if this does not become productive. If I can only get a fruit here and there every other week its not good enough of course. Although I have to admit getting a bit jealous at your grow room also, I like the high-tech setup there. I like gadgets, and you have plenty!
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22422238 - 10/23/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think you will get concentrated flushes. Logs typically produce multiple small to medium harvests over many months or years even. With the logs you will need an army down there to produce enough for market, and may have issues with timing your harvests for sales. Thanks on the compliment, many hours spent fiddling, reading, and learning and a few hundred dollars too lol. How do you plan to control humidity in there?
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22434633 - 10/26/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, it will be interesting to see if I will be able to provoke fruiting or not. Soak and dunk can be used for Shiitake according to Stamets, right? But have anyone tried it with Oysters?
Not really sure how to control the climate. Right now the climate is about right as is I think, but when I have to adjust it I will look for passive ways first. Some kind of swamp cooling (or similar) when hot, and heating in trays of water when cold I think. But I´m not there yet.
Thanks for all input!
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22442965 - 10/28/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is very cool I'll be continuing to follow along! Hoping to learn more about oysters.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: vvHeavyvv]
#22481158 - 11/05/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The logs in the incubation refrigerator seems to be going ok, but I dont really know what to look for to know if they are ready to move to the fruiting chamber. Some of them are almost completely covered with myc on the ends, but nothing has been braking through the bark. It might not have to though, I guess it could fruit right out of the openings between the two log pieces.


I need to build some bigger room for incubation. I am trying to incubate in much lower temps also, but the progress is definitely slower. And it probably takes 2-3 months at least to incubate them, so I need space for it.
I have a room in the barn, around 8 by 8 by 8 feet, that is already insulated to some extent. I think I will cover it (or perhaps a section of it) in plastic and put a small heater in there. Since I dont have to vent it I think the RH might be ok just from the logs in there.
In other words, still going with wood logs, Im not giving up just yet.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22481679 - 11/05/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like it's coming along nice. I've been thinking about doing up a few logs & giving them ago this year.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: dreadhed]
#22483133 - 11/05/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd pull a log out and fruit it just to see what happens.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: invitro]
#22603844 - 12/02/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update is due I think.
Logs are colonizing further in the refrigerator, but the two I pulled out and put into the fruiting room are not showing any sign of pinning just yet.
Another try I did seems to go better though, a PP sewage pipe with holes stuffed with wood chips is fruiting and I believe fist cluster ready for harvest?

It is slow however, since I can´t justify heating the place (this pipe is the only thing fruiting yet). Temp is just above freezing for most of the time this time of the year. FAE and humidity should be ok, as well as lighting (75W 4000k fluorescent). Would it be plain stupid to water the pipe as it is fruiting (could easily have it drained at the bottom), I think it might be somewhat dry in there by now... The diameter of the pipe is 110mm (4 inches).
Since last post I have built a bigger incubation chamber (just covered part of a small insulated room in the barn with plastic, put a small heater and a simple swamp cooler in there for rough climate control). Some more logs and pipes are colonizing in there, seems do be doing OK.


I also have some logs colonizing in a plastic covered rack in the unheated part of the barn, and that ones seems to go in the right direction but very slow. I am contemplating letting the logs in the different places colonize ´till spring , then dunk them and put them in fruiting room. Will be testing different approaches I think.
Thats about it for now I believe.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22604000 - 12/02/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wait till one of the caps tops flatten out, not most of them just the one most mature. The earlier you pick the smaller they are but the shelf life is longer on young fruit. I would say maybe tonight or tomorrow pick it.
with those logs you shouldn't have split them, unless you plan to sandwich spawn between the splits?
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22604853 - 12/02/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok. Thanks for the timing advice. Regarding the logs i guess you mean them on the last pic? Thats actually another experiment, they are soaked in spawn LC for a few days, just wanted to see if that could work... Seems not to so far. Just some small growth where the grains happened to end up. They will probably dry out before colonizing. I am trying sandwiches also, in another place, but its not ideal since the "planks" from the different logs are never flat. Too much gap between them.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22606976 - 12/03/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get a whole log and split it, then sandwich them back together and tie it tight.
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: Gr0wer]
#22607026 - 12/03/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi Nathan,
Nice set up. I've been growing shiitake on logs for about ten years. If you've got another activity next to that you're ok, but I never managed to make a living out of it. But I agree with you on the low-tech, that's interesting and it's a pity you can't make more money with it. I know somebody who made cuts in the logs with a chainsaw and filled it up with grainspawn. The wounds are just covered with tape, works fine!
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: frog48]
#22607472 - 12/03/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gr0wer said: Get a whole log and split it, then sandwich them back together and tie it tight.
Yes, thats how I have done with most of the logs. Works fine.
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frog48 said: I know somebody who made cuts in the logs with a chainsaw and filled it up with grainspawn. The wounds are just covered with tape, works fine!
Nice to know, might try that as well. These are not Shiitake but Oyster, I will try Shiitake also later on, but think it might be smart to start with Oyster since they are faster. What tree species are you using? Outdoor or indoor grows?
I´m not counting on making my living by growing these, but hopefully it will generate some income in time...
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22607501 - 12/03/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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White oak, had 10.000 of them. Pain in the back!
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: frog48]
#22608099 - 12/03/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha, Nice! My Aspen logs are probably a lot lighter, but you dont have to cut new as often as I will have to...
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frog48 said: had 10.000 of them.
I´m guessing outdoor then
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Re: First Oyster attempt, grow log (pictures) [Re: svampnathan]
#22608173 - 12/03/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stocked them outdoors but fruiting was indoors. Now I do logs only outside for tourists because I converted to shiitake on sawdust substrate. Producing 20 k's a week at the moment. Much more complicated but much lighter!!

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