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Borderline Personality Disorder
    #22305913 - 09/28/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have this pretty bad and it severely effects my daily functioning.  It makes me very unstable and I'm very impulsive and can't tolerate being alone.  Luckily I have a lot of supportive friends and an amazing girlfriend.


I'm prescribed Zyprexa and it helps a lot, opiates work too.  MDMA and adderall temporarily get rid of it completely when I'm on them but they can't be used all the time. 


Does anyone else on here that have this?


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306132 - 09/29/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Chemicals and drugs,  prescribed,  or illicit, will only make it worse. Nothing the doctor can give you will ever fix you. Especially true for mental conditions,  since they are just a state of mind, not a physical ailment.

Get clean, sober. Withdrawls of ANYTHING, makes ANY condition worse.

Work on becoming Zen. Practice thinking, thoughtless. Imagine black. Let the thought nothing, take over. Then remove the thought nothing, and blackness, and let there truly be emptiness.

This is the key to any pschylogical condition.
Ive over come ADHD, bipolar, and manic depression.  (They are all made up, they only exist cause we allow them to.)

If the health care industry truly made us better, it wouldnt be a XXX billion dollar industry.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306157 - 09/29/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Fletcher]
    #22306166 - 09/29/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

More or less. But the more the doctors can give different diagnosis,  the more drugs they can fill you up with, the more money they make.

Manic depression is more of an instability of emotion with harmful thoughts toward self, while bipolar, is an emotional imbalance, often expressed towards others. Not self.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306170 - 09/29/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is how it was explained to me


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306174 - 09/29/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, I just looked it up, and it says manic depression is what they used to call bi-polar. I might have missed something, though.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Fletcher]
    #22306175 - 09/29/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty much.  I think Bipolar replaced Manic Depression in the DSM at some point.  It basically translates to emotional instability.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306179 - 09/29/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306184 - 09/29/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Chemicals and drugs,  prescribed,  or illicit, will only make it worse. Nothing the doctor can give you will ever fix you. Especially true for mental conditions,  since they are just a state of mind, not a physical ailment.

Get clean, sober. Withdrawls of ANYTHING, makes ANY condition worse.

Work on becoming Zen. Practice thinking, thoughtless. Imagine black. Let the thought nothing, take over. Then remove the thought nothing, and blackness, and let there truly be emptiness.

This is the key to any pschylogical condition.
Ive over come ADHD, bipolar, and manic depression.  (They are all made up, they only exist cause we allow them to.)

If the health care industry truly made us better, it wouldnt be a XXX billion dollar industry.



All states 0f mind are physical states of the brain, as far as I can tell


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22306192 - 09/29/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sort of.
The intangible state of mind, dictates the tangible physical state of the body.

Physical state of body, can also affect the intangible state of our mind.

In anyway, the state of mind cannot be targeted, with drugs, like the state of body can.

Ultimately,  thought is the most powerful tool.
To need anything aiding thought, creates dependency.
In turn makes an instable state of mimd.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306197 - 09/29/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is easy to say, but controling said thoughts for benafit is another


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306200 - 09/29/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




I tend to think that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of all the lies.  I've made the same argument regarding psychology before, but it definitely has value to some people and there's really no way to go about understanding ourselves other than defining things, engaging in discourse, and using trial and error to find methods that get results.  That's all it is, and what it does all depends on who is practicing and for what.

Scientologists are "powerful well established people" and they will say the same things, so what does that say?


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306209 - 09/29/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sort of agree with you, except exercise naturally changes thought patterns, and mental issues are a very real thing.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Fletcher]
    #22306222 - 09/29/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I sort of agree with you, except exercise naturally changes thought patterns, and mental issues are a very real thing.



Completely. "The physical state of body effects the intangible state of mind."


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22306227 - 09/29/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is easy to say, but controling said thoughts for benafit is another



Just takes practice. You have the right to think.(whateber you want) Dont think about it just do it.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22306228 - 09/29/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




I tend to think that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of all the lies.  I've made the same argument regarding psychology before, but it definitely has value to some people and there's really no way to go about understanding ourselves other than defining things, engaging in discourse, and using trial and error to find methods that get results.  That's all it is, and what it does all depends on who is practicing and for what.

Scientologists are "powerful well established people" and they will say the same things, so what does that say?



I cant say i unerstand the question at hand..


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306249 - 09/29/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.



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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306254 - 09/29/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just was asking if anyone else here struggled with BPD.  I didn't ask for conspiracy theory nonsense...


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306263 - 09/29/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TORCUTT said:
It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




I tend to think that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of all the lies.  I've made the same argument regarding psychology before, but it definitely has value to some people and there's really no way to go about understanding ourselves other than defining things, engaging in discourse, and using trial and error to find methods that get results.  That's all it is, and what it does all depends on who is practicing and for what.

Scientologists are "powerful well established people" and they will say the same things, so what does that say?



I cant say i unerstand the question at hand..




It's sort of rhetorical so that's ok.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306273 - 09/29/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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spixce said: conspiracy theory nonsense...



http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/how-medical-school-funding-from-big-pharma-impacts-your-health/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4696316

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1883449,00.html -Time magazine here.

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around 50 percent of doctors admit to prescribing drugs they don’t believe will work. Stop. Rub your eyes, and read that again. Soak it in.




Its all real bud..
BPD must suck, but it sucks more when a chemical shit storm is raining in your brain parade.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306279 - 09/29/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You might have better results in the physical and mental well being section.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306295 - 09/29/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

BPD is horrible.  Its a constant fear that everyone is gonna abandon me, I also feel empty inside constantly and I extremely overreact to everything and I'm so unstable like the smallest thing can set me off.  My self esteem goes in between way too high and way too low all the time. 

Yeah maybe the drugs aren't healthy but I'd rather take the drugs than deal with this illness. 

I also have Bipolar 1(the combination of BPD and Bipolar is hell), Anxiety, OCD and ADHD.  I NEED these drugs to function.  Or else I'd be unable to take care of myself. 

I do exercise daily and it helps but exercise alone isn't enough in my case. 

These drugs saved my life, especially opiates.  The Zyprexa is also working very well.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306305 - 09/29/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug: You're probably not long for this world should you keep that up.

I am 100% sure that if you learned to have a healthy lifestyle, eliminated negative influences in your life, and got your drug use under control your situation would improve. 

Lots of people find that emotional problems get better with age, but not if you're not learning to cope.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306308 - 09/29/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just was asking if anyone else here struggled with BPD.  I didn't ask for conspiracy theory nonsense...



Not sure what exactly it is but I do have problems with substance and alcohol abuse, I practice unsafe sex with multiple partners and I cheat (a lot), sometimes I drive recklessly like I just risk it and step on the gas, I spend a lot of money on shit I don't need at all just because I have the cash in my pocket.

Fuck I engage in business deals with people then suddenly decide I'm not comfortable with this and just avoid them, not answering emails and phone calls. Same with friends, I'd suddenly start avoiding them not picking up the phone when they just want to get together and drink/smoke etc. Same thing with jobs, I can't hold a regular job for more than a couple of months.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306311 - 09/29/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You need those drugs, because the effects of withdrawls, will make your conditions even worse.
But when you build a tolerance to the drugs, and you feel the way you do, even when you take them.. you must realize, it only masks the problem.
They solve nothing.
They solve no chemical imbalances.
Your brain is nothing more than electric neurons. Firing.

Simple as electricity.
Watch the things you eat, care for your people, and work out.

The drugs will get you nowhere in trying to solve this.

And note, these arent diseases that cant go away like HIV.
These are nothing more than your state of mind. The more you convince yourself these things wont go away, will they ever go away?

Convince yourself you can get rid of it.

After all, depression is ultimately self destructive thoughts about ourself that we believe.  Regardless if its true or not.


So just, free yourself brother. Dont limit.


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    #22306324 - 09/29/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

BPD is horrible indeed, as it severely impacts your social functioning. Often much more vehemently than other psychiatric conditions. My girlfriend works as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and the people with BPD are generally the most difficult ones to deal with. The reason is that people with BPD can come across as extremely manipulative and unpleasant, but they still need to receive the care that they're in the institution for. For caregivers, this can be hard, as at some point it's really a struggle to not let the BPD-induced behavior cloud the patient-caregiver relationship.

spixce, disregard the nonsense that it's all fake and it doesn't exist. Sure, there will be cases, particularly in the US, that are mistakenly diagnosed and/or over-prescribed, but that doesn't change that conditions such as BPD, Bipolar and schizophrenia are very real. Also, medication does help in virtually all cases to some extent, but there's no magic bullet - not a pill, and nothing in the alternative spectrum is a sure-fire way to get rid of this, as you're generally stuck with it for life. This sucks badly, and the only thing that does seem to help a bit is to try and live a stable life, be careful in times of stress and reach out for professional help whenever your situation deteriorates periodically.

The above sounds harsh, but I'm sure it's nothing new to you. It's also not a disqualification of you as a person - far from it. I hope it'll help you see that at least some of us understand the seriousness of what you're going through. Feel free to reach out for the people here who will help you to see things from a different perspective at the times when you notice your perception may be biased by your ailments. I can imagine it helps (even if it's only a little bit) to hear from others that people aren't (nearly) always out to harm you or to leave you. Obviously, these things happen to some extent to everyone, but that's different from living with the constant fear that they will. I hope you'll find many ways to deal with the situations where you may hurt people to get them to show that they care about you, and to find the trust (albeit only on a rational level and not always on an emotional one) that at least some people do care about you regardless of your BPD and bipolar.

I feel for you and I think it's a shame that there are still so many who deny the seriousness of these conditions.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: koraks]
    #22306340 - 09/29/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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BPD is horrible indeed, as it severely impacts your social functioning. Often much more vehemently than other psychiatric conditions. My girlfriend works as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and the people with BPD are generally the most difficult ones to deal with. The reason is that people with BPD can come across as extremely manipulative and unpleasant, but they still need to receive the care that they're in the institution for. For caregivers, this can be hard, as at some point it's really a struggle to not let the BPD-induced behavior cloud the patient-caregiver relationship.

spixce, disregard the nonsense that it's all fake and it doesn't exist. Sure, there will be cases, particularly in the US, that are mistakenly diagnosed and/or over-prescribed, but that doesn't change that conditions such as BPD, Bipolar and schizophrenia are very real. Also, medication does help in virtually all cases to some extent, but there's no magic bullet - not a pill, and nothing in the alternative spectrum is a sure-fire way to get rid of this, as you're generally stuck with it for life. This sucks badly, and the only thing that does seem to help a bit is to try and live a stable life, be careful in times of stress and reach out for professional help whenever your situation deteriorates periodically.

The above sounds harsh, but I'm sure it's nothing new to you. It's also not a disqualification of you as a person - far from it. I hope it'll help you see that at least some of us understand the seriousness of what you're going through. Feel free to reach out for the people here who will help you to see things from a different perspective at the times when you notice your perception may be biased by your ailments. I can imagine it helps (even if it's only a little bit) to hear from others that people aren't (nearly) always out to harm you or to leave you. Obviously, these things happen to some extent to everyone, but that's different from living with the constant fear that they will. I hope you'll find many ways to deal with the situations where you may hurt people to get them to show that they care about you, and to find the trust (albeit only on a rational level and not always on an emotional one) that at least some people do care about you regardless of your BPD and bipolar.

I feel for you and I think it's a shame that there are still so many who deny the seriousness of these conditions.



It just sucks because I just can't function like a normal person without drugs.  I always feel like I'm homesick for a place that doesn't exist.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: koraks]
    #22306341 - 09/29/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cognitive behavioral therapy is the best line of offense for BPD and most other mental conditions.


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    #22306344 - 09/29/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Drugs come 2nd to last. Its the easy way out. Masking issues. Nit solving anything.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306350 - 09/29/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cognitive behavioral therapy is the best line of offense for BPD and most other mental conditions.



I'll look into it but the zyprexa is helping alot.  I'm gonna ask my doc in increase the dosage because 5mg isn't enough.  I think 10mg would be good for me.  This shit doesn't even make me sleepy just relaxed and in a good mood.  Sorta like xanax but "heavier" and a lil bit trippy.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306351 - 09/29/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is easy to say, but controling said thoughts for benafit is another



Just takes practice. You have the right to think.(whateber you want) Dont think about it just do it.



You don't really contrpll your thoughts. If younthink that, you are ignorant as fuck.


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    #22306355 - 09/29/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
That is easy to say, but controling said thoughts for benafit is another



Just takes practice. You have the right to think.(whateber you want) Dont think about it just do it.



You don't really contrpll your thoughts. If younthink that, you are ignorant as fuck.



Speak for your own self please.

On the other hand, you're correct.
We dont dictate thiught, our emotion does.

Our current emotion dictates the thoughts we think at any given time.
So withiut control of emotion, we have no control of thought.
Though with a balance of emotion, and being able to maintain balance, we can maintain any thought process desired.

To think you cannot control your ownself, is "ignorant as fuck"


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    #22306357 - 09/29/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22306364 - 09/29/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sure how much we, whafever 'we' are in our head, controls anything. a=We seem to be able, to some extent, to control our actions, but do we? What are we? Our biology controls everything, so are our actiions really a choice? Even ones with no emotion attatched


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22306368 - 09/29/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you believe that we have free will?


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    #22306374 - 09/29/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not sure how much we, whafever 'we' are in our head, controls anything. a=We seem to be able, to some extent, to control our actions, but do we? What are we? Our biology controls everything, so are our actiions really a choice? Even ones with no emotion attatched


The state of no emotion is called contempt. And its an emotion in itself. Emotion controls thought. Always. Happy comes happy thoughts, angry comes angry thoughts, sad comes sad thoughts.. so on and so forth brother.. you wont be thinking happy thoughts in an emotion of anger. Nor will you be thinking of humor in an emotion of anxiousness.

Now, to he able to stop feeling anger, when we want, to switch our feelings off and on when desired is real. I do it day to day. Monks are a master of it. In turn they can control themselves amd their bodies, down to the cell. Being able to light the, selves on fire and feel no oain. To slow their heart rate to sleep for 3 months straight...


Free will. Thats us. Unless your will is under the influence of some other way of thinking, that goes, you cant think for yourself, is just a part of the plot to keep us dumb. On a mass level. Via TV and drugs, music and so forth.


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    #22306376 - 09/29/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

WE ARE NEVER NOT IN CONTROL.
To think we cant control ourselves, is insane.


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    #22306379 - 09/29/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Drugs come 2nd to last. Its the easy way out. Masking issues. Nit solving anything.



You have no idea what its like to have BPD.  This disorder ruined my life, when I was in first grade I was at like an 8th grade level.  I could have been anything I wanted.  I was a very smart and happy kid but I developed these mental problems at age 11.  I was suicidal at 12, I'd like to see you walk a mile in my shoes.  You don't know me at all so don't judge me.  BPD can't be cured. Therapy and all that bullshit never helped me as a teen so what makes you think it'd help now.  The only reason I haven't put a bullet in my head is my girl.  She's the only thing that makes my life worth living.

Opiates, Benzos, Zyprexa and the occasional MDMA and Adderall help me so much.


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    #22306383 - 09/29/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.


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    #22306389 - 09/29/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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    #22306390 - 09/29/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Adderall and ritilan fucked me up. I felt just zombified. Disconnected from my ownself. Terrible feeelings.
Celexa for depression was mild, but i can feel how easily manipulative they are. Niw when i stopped taking them, it took 2 years.. 2 whole years.. before my brain sorted out all my disorders.

I know id still be a fucked up mess if i were still pill poppn from the doc. I can feel it in my bones.

If we dont have ebola, or some life threatening disease, there is no reason to be taking medication everyday..

They want you coming back.  For the rest of forever man.


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    #22306392 - 09/29/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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...The only reason I haven't put a bullet in my head is my girl.  She's the only thing that makes my life worth living.

Opiates, Benzos, Zyprexa and the occasional MDMA and Adderall help me so much.




The problem is that all these things will let you down sooner or later.  If you love someone you have to be strong or else you will end up just bringing misery to the people you love.  You can learn to cope without drugs, and if you do you will be better for it.

At least the opiates, benzos, and stims.  Those are going to seriously interfere with any drugs your doctor prescribes, perhaps to your great detriment.  If the Zyprexa helps a little bit even I wouldn't necessarily count on more making it work better, you've got to do your part as well.


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    #22306396 - 09/29/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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spixce said:
...The only reason I haven't put a bullet in my head is my girl.  She's the only thing that makes my life worth living.

Opiates, Benzos, Zyprexa and the occasional MDMA and Adderall help me so much.




The problem is that all these things will let you down sooner or later.  If you love someone you have to be strong or else you will end up just bringing misery to the people you love.  You can learn to cope without drugs, and if you do you will be better for it.

At least the opiates, benzos, and stims.  Those are going to seriously interfere with any drugs your doctor prescribes, perhaps to your great detriment.  If the Zyprexa helps a little bit even I wouldn't necessarily count on more making it work better, you've got to do your part as well.



I find opiate and benzos make zyprexa better and zyprexa is the best drug for stim comedowns.


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    #22306399 - 09/29/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.



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I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).



Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.


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    #22306408 - 09/29/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.



How in the fuck are monks gonna help my BPD.  The meds the doc gave me are working.  I don't even get any side effects from zyprexa except sedation, mild euphoria and the biggest munchies EVER but I work out daily so getting fat won't be a problem.  Also IMO antipsychotics are the best taste enhancers too.  I ate 3 quarter pounder deluxes on zyprexa and it was so amazing words can't describe it.  It was like an orgasm in my mouth. :lol:

Zyprexa just puts me in a good mood, helps my mental problems, and makes me chill why does everyone hate on it?


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    #22306423 - 09/29/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?




Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.


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    #22306425 - 09/29/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I do suffer from manic depression (my preferred terminology), along with ocd , insomnia and extreme anxiety. Many times I'll leave for work and not be able to make the bus ride. Either my mind is stuck on some minor detail (not locking the door, leaving the stove on, letting my dogs out by accident, etc.) Or I become physically ill, like I'm going to die, and most of the time I cannot find interest in conversation, even close friends.

The best things that work for me are exercise, eating well, finding moments to be completely alone and in silence, and music. If you need drugs, you need them. I'll admit it is a battle, but in the long run it is making me a healthier person.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?




Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.




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    #22306427 - 09/29/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?




Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.



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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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    #22306430 - 09/29/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.


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    #22306431 - 09/29/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Zyprexa may help with the psychotic tendencies that often accompany BPD, so it's very possible you experience benefit from them. Things like stimulants and opioids have the risk of destabilizing you, especially if you run out or otherwise come down, so they may seem like a short term cure, but can induce severe worsening of the situation in the mid to long term.

Torcutt has a point in that behavioral therapy is probably the most effective part of a pckage of measures that can help live with this. But I wouldn't advocate staying away from any medication necessarily. In my opinion it's best to keep in touch with a psychiatrist you mesh well with so that you can work out a regime that is sort of stable and manageable. If you can find support in alternative areas, such alternatives the monks mentioned by Torcutt, or yoga, meditation etc, then I would certainly pursue that. But as an addition to fomalux therapy, not a substitute.


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    #22306432 - 09/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.



How in the fuck are monks gonna help my BPD.  The meds the doc gave me are working.  I don't even get any side effects from zyprexa except sedation, mild euphoria and the biggest munchies EVER but I work out daily so getting fat won't be a problem.  Also IMO antipsychotics are the best taste enhancers too.  I ate 3 quarter pounder deluxes on zyprexa and it was so amazing words can't describe it.  It was like an orgasm in my mouth. :lol:

Zyprexa just puts me in a good mood, helps my mental problems, and makes me chill why does everyone hate on it?



They wont help if you dont let them of course.
Your BPD is not like a tumor in your head. Its an inability to control emotion.


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    #22306434 - 09/29/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.



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Shroomslip said:
I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).



Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.




Wait, that mental disorders don't exist is EXACTLY what you said. Don't try to pivot to a different position when you get nailed down as being full of shit.


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    #22306436 - 09/29/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TORCUTT said:
It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.



Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too.
Formaldehyde in vacccines,
The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up,
Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.

The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.


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    #22306437 - 09/29/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.



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I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).



Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.




Wait, that mental disorders don't exist is EXACTLY what you said. Don't try to pivot to a different position when you get nailed down as being full of shit.



I said they only exist because we allow them to. Please tell me whwre i said they didnt exist. There is no pivot. Im still standing where i believe is right. No need to be so heated.


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    #22306438 - 09/29/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do suffer from manic depression (my preferred terminology), along with ocd , insomnia and extreme anxiety. Many times I'll leave for work and not be able to make the bus ride. Either my mind is stuck on some minor detail (not locking the door, leaving the stove on, letting my dogs out by accident, etc.) Or I become physically ill, like I'm going to die, and most of the time I cannot find interest in conversation, even close friends.

The best things that work for me are exercise, eating well, finding moments to be completely alone and in silence, and music. If you need drugs, you need them. I'll admit it is a battle, but in the long run it is making me a healthier person.



My perfect morning routine is to take 200mg caffeine 30mg Oxycodone, 2mg Ativan, 20mg Hydrocodone.  Then go for a long run and when I'm done I'll lift weights and then shower. 

I don't see how the drugs are messing up my life at all.

I take my Zyprexa during lunch.  Sometimes I'll take an adderall if I wanna be really productive or some 4-FA if I wanna have a very social day and sometimes I'll take other opiates but Hydro and Oxy are my usual because several of my friends are prescribed them and they give them to me for very cheap like 5 bucks for a blue.

I eat well most of the time but every Sunday I get fast food or pizza as kind of a reward for eating good.


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    #22306439 - 09/29/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is the key to any pschylogical condition.
Ive over come ADHD, bipolar, and manic depression.  (They are all made up, they only exist cause we allow them to.)

If the health care industry truly made us better, it wouldnt be a XXX billion dollar industry.





Yep pretty much exactly what he said...dude must be bat shit crazy though because mental disorders are not made up. It isn't some conspiracy that doctors and drug companies have unleashed on us to make some dollars and cents...


OP ,therapy may help but taking your prescribed medicine(s) and avoiding taking drugs for recreational purposes is probably going to be much better in the long run than using opis, benzos, etc...


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    #22306440 - 09/29/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.



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Shroomslip said:
I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).



Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.




No, we don't group them all together. Doctors who treat psychiatric conditions are called psychiatrists. If whatever you were diagnosed with was able to be controlled adequately using only behavioral treatment, great. That's ideal because doctors, especially psychiatrists, actually want to use as few drugs as possible in the smallest effective doses. However, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Meditation and Mindfulness are integral parts of keeping myself healthy, but they do not cut it on their own. That's because without psychiatric medication, I will become so depressed that maintaining positive self-catering practices is both insufficient to treat my condition, and also impossible.


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    #22306443 - 09/29/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mkay. Have fun.
Ill be over here.

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    #22306445 - 09/29/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.



Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too.
Formaldehyde in vacccines,
The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up,
Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.

The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.




Most psychiatric conditions DO have a physical component. They're caused by abnormal brain function. This has been thoroughly demonstrated.


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    #22306448 - 09/29/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not sure how much we, whafever 'we' are in our head, controls anything. a=We seem to be able, to some extent, to control our actions, but do we? What are we? Our biology controls everything, so are our actiions really a choice? Even ones with no emotion attatched


The state of no emotion is called contempt. And its an emotion in itself. Emotion controls thought. Always. Happy comes happy thoughts, angry comes angry thoughts, sad comes sad thoughts.. so on and so forth brother.. you wont be thinking happy thoughts in an emotion of anger. Nor will you be thinking of humor in an emotion of anxiousness.

Now, to he able to stop feeling anger, when we want, to switch our feelings off and on when desired is real. I do it day to day. Monks are a master of it. In turn they can control themselves amd their bodies, down to the cell. Being able to light the, selves on fire and feel no oain. To slow their heart rate to sleep for 3 months straight...


Free will. Thats us. Unless your will is under the influence of some other way of thinking, that goes, you cant think for yourself, is just a part of the plot to keep us dumb. On a mass level. Via TV and drugs, music and so forth.



No, contempt is more like being bitter

Sam Harris has great thoughts on how free will is an illusion, and is pretty convincing


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    #22306450 - 09/29/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.



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I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. :facepalm: I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).



Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly.
Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state.
Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.

Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.

But instead we all group them together.
Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.




No, we don't group them all together. Doctors who treat psychiatric conditions are called psychiatrists. If whatever you were diagnosed with was able to be controlled adequately using only behavioral treatment, great. That's ideal because doctors, especially psychiatrists, actually want to use as few drugs as possible in the smallest effective doses. However, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Meditation and Mindfulness are integral parts of keeping myself healthy, but they do not cut it on their own. That's because without psychiatric medication, I will become so depressed that maintaining positive self-catering practices is both insufficient to treat my condition, and also impossible.


meditation doesnt work if the temple is impure. Chemical dependencys make things more difficult.
You can get over and cure depression without your drugs.
Its just a journey. A 2 year one for me.
Its not easy, or else these things wouldnt be a problem.
It takes dedication.

And thats debatale. For our emotion controls our endorphins.  Our endorphins control everything. These chemical physical imbalances,  can be fixed, with nothing more than a proper state of mind. Drugs and doctors arent always the answer.

But im not your mom. Or dad.
So keep on keeping on.


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    #22306452 - 09/29/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.



Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too.
Formaldehyde in vacccines,
The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up,
Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.

The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.



You have no idea what you're talking about.  Take a break from the acid man...


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    #22306453 - 09/29/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, it's great that it works for you, but your experience isn't universal. There are a lot of ways to try and deal with this and what works is highly dependent on the person in question, I'm sure you agree with me on this. When we've established this, it's also viable that some people do best when they also make use of the pharmacological aids that are available.


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    #22306457 - 09/29/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just another shining example of the "everyone is me" bullshit. Something works for them, so they assume it must be true for everybody else as well.


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    #22306467 - 09/29/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You simply have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing correct you said in there is that drugs and doctors aren't always the answer, which I had already explicitly stated. But, hey, maybe you'll change your perspective if you convince someone to stop taking their meds and they mill themselves. Or maybe not. I've seen it happen.


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    #22306473 - 09/29/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are some nearly universal tools for the mind, but that 'impure temple' stuff is retarded


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    #22306480 - 09/29/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There are some nearly universal tools for the mind, but that 'impure temple' stuff is retarded




Yeah, seriously. Meditation is great. Probably the single most powerful tool against stress and negative/unwanted states of mind and thoughts that I've ever come across. Take a look at my title. Materialist. I don't buy into any supernatural shit at all. Meditation is still effective.


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    #22306484 - 09/29/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't see how the drugs are messing up my life at all.

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Just you wait.  Perhaps you're the most stable person with BPD ever, but using all these drugs to medicate yourself is both causing dependence, which will contribute to your overall lack of emotional balance and control, and covering up the underlying problems causing you to medicate which will allow them to fester and prevent you from developing healthy strategies to cope.  It's probably going to be alot worse than you expect, and like most people you will regret going down that road.

Sometimes it's better in the long run just to take what you need to get by, and you may feel like you need a cocktail of opiates, benzos, and speed to cope but that is because you are an addict, not because you're faced with much worse mental problems than other people.  If your doctor is giving you all that, I would say he is irresponsible, and if you're self-medicating on any sort of regular basis you can't really say that you're following your treatment.


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    #22306489 - 09/29/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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BPD is horrible indeed, as it severely impacts your social functioning. Often much more vehemently than other psychiatric conditions. My girlfriend works as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and the people with BPD are generally the most difficult ones to deal with. The reason is that people with BPD can come across as extremely manipulative and unpleasant, but they still need to receive the care that they're in the institution for. For caregivers, this can be hard, as at some point it's really a struggle to not let the BPD-induced behavior cloud the patient-caregiver relationship.





heheheh, yep.  In the psych unit if a patient can make you hate their guts within 10 minutes of meeting them they are probably BPD.  Just a joke, sorry to hate on BPD folks.  They have a tough time.  I know, my father is BPD.


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It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.




No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.



Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too.
Formaldehyde in vacccines,
The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up,
Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.

The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.



You have no idea what you're talking about.  Take a break from the acid man...



I havent had a trip since july.
Anyways read this.
Right from the CDC clearly stating the content of Formaldehyde and Aluminum in vaccines. Mind you this is a .gov website.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
http://www.cchrint.org/2010/10/30/1-million-misdiagnosed-adhd-children-for-80b-drug-industry/

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“The psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars a year to convince the public, legislators and the press that psychiatric disorders such as Bi-Polar Disorder, Depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD/ADHD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., are medical diseases on par with verifiable medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. Yet unlike real medical disease, there are no scientific tests to verify the medical existence of any psychiatric disorder. To counter this obvious flaw in their push to medicalize behaviors, the psychiatric industry will claim that there are certain medical conditions that do not have a verifiable test so this is why there isn’t one for “mental illness.” This is frankly a lame argument; Whereas there may be rare medical conditions that do not have a verifiable medical test, there are virtually no psychiatric disorders that can be verified medically as a physical abnormality/disease. Not one.” (CCHR)




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    #22306495 - 09/29/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty irrelevant to the topic at hand.


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    #22306496 - 09/29/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?

You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.


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    #22306498 - 09/29/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You do have to understand your own mental faults. Others will give you all sorts of sstupid lables because most people are stupid, know it all cunts that think they can read minds or something. We don;t know your thought process, only the actions resulting
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    #22306499 - 09/29/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?

You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.



Formaldehyde is the single most carcinogic chemical known to man. You dont find anything wrong with that?
Amd read the 2nd link.


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    #22306503 - 09/29/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What does that have to do with your previous arguments in this thread? Your arguments have been "Mental disease can only be treated through the mind, medications/drugs do not work and doctors cannot help you, it's all just a money grab".

Now you're throwing in this antivax garbage for seemingly no reason at all.


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    #22306506 - 09/29/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not following my treatment I do what I have to do to make myself feel better.  I could never live sober.  My mental heath problems are too bad, I've been doing them so long and I'm physically addicted to opiates and benzos.  But its better than dealing with how bad my BPD would be if I was sober.


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    #22306507 - 09/29/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What does that have to do with your previous arguments in this thread? Your arguments have been "Mental disease can only be treated through the mind, medications/drugs do not work and doctors cannot help you, it's all just a money grab".

Now you're throwing in this antivax garbage for seemingly no reason at all.


http://www.cchrint.org/2010/10/30/1-million-misdiagnosed-adhd-children-for-80b-drug-industry/

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“The psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars a year to convince the public, legislators and the press that psychiatric disorders such as Bi-Polar Disorder, Depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD/ADHD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., are medical diseases on par with verifiable medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. Yet unlike real medical disease, there are no scientific tests to verify the medical existence of any psychiatric disorder. To counter this obvious flaw in their push to medicalize behaviors, the psychiatric industry will claim that there are certain medical conditions that do not have a verifiable test so this is why there isn’t one for “mental illness.” This is frankly a lame argument; Whereas there may be rare medical conditions that do not have a verifiable medical test, there are virtually no psychiatric disorders that can be verified medically as a physical abnormality/disease. Not one.” (CCHR)




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    #22306508 - 09/29/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?

You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.



Formaldehyde is the single most carcinogic chemical known to man. You dont find anything wrong with that?
Amd read the 2nd link.



Go back to PSE with that bullshit.  I hate how psychedelic drugs make SOME people into know it all assholes.


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    #22306510 - 09/29/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED. :facepalm:

Actually  :knowwhatnevermind: You're entirely too stupid to even argue with. I ask what "cancerous vaccinations" has to do with "psychiatry is bullshit" and I get some copy pasted link and quote about how there is no test to identify mental disabilities.


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    #22306511 - 09/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was created to see if anyone else had BPD so that we had someone to talk to for support but some conspiracy theorist weirdo had to ruin it...


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    #22306513 - 09/29/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED. :facepalm:

Actually  :knowwhatnevermind: You're entirely too stupid to even argue with. I ask what "cancerous vaccinations" has to do with "psychiatry is bullshit" and I get some copy pasted link and quote about how there is no test to identify mental disabilities.



You still havent read the article i take it.
Heres another.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/10/bitterest-pills-troubling-story-antipsychotic-drugs/


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Shroomslip said:
Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?

You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.



Formaldehyde is the single most carcinogic chemical known to man. You dont find anything wrong with that?
Amd read the 2nd link.



Go back to PSE with that bullshit.  I hate how psychedelic drugs make SOME people into know it all assholes.



Lmao, i was like this long before drugs man.


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    #22306516 - 09/29/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED. :facepalm:

Actually  :knowwhatnevermind: You're entirely too stupid to even argue with. I ask what "cancerous vaccinations" has to do with "psychiatry is bullshit" and I get some copy pasted link and quote about how there is no test to identify mental disabilities.



You still havent read the article i take it.
Heres another.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/10/bitterest-pills-troubling-story-antipsychotic-drugs/



Dude you need some fucking antipsychotics, what's next do you think that aliens run the CIA?


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    #22306520 - 09/29/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My emotion is borderline right now.
I can tell yours is heated.


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    #22306521 - 09/29/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you can't take the time to make your own arguments why are you even worth talking to? At best articles should be posted to BACK UP what you have to say, you don't let them do the talking for you. It's lame as fuck to just post links when people question your assumptions. It basically says your stance and knowledge on the subject is so weak you can't stand on your own and have to let people talk for you.

Either way I'm done arguing with you over it. Multiple times I asked what vaccinations have to do with psychiatry being bullshit and multiple times you've neglected to answer.


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My emotion is borderline right now.
I can tell yours is heated.



Not really I'm pretty numb right now because of the drugs.  I just enjoy talking shit.  :lol:


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Why do my threads always have to be ruined...  :canthelpbutlaugh:


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    #22306526 - 09/29/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not following my treatment I do what I have to do to make myself feel better.  I could never live sober.  My mental heath problems are too bad, I've been doing them so long and I'm physically addicted to opiates and benzos.  But its better than dealing with how bad my BPD would be if I was sober.




Well I've been there man, and the thing that got me through the worst was having friends and family that cared about me.  Feeling good only goes so far, you're not going to be the type of person that I imagine you want to be if you act selfishly.

You could definitely live sober, it's never too late for that, you've just got to find what reasons work for you and stick to it.  At some point if you want to survive it actually becomes necessary.  Hopefully you live long enough and have the good sense to realize it.  Until you do you could get all the best advice in the world and you'll still continue that cycle of self-destruction.  It's pretty much inevitable.


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    #22306530 - 09/29/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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spixce said:
I'm not following my treatment I do what I have to do to make myself feel better.  I could never live sober.  My mental heath problems are too bad, I've been doing them so long and I'm physically addicted to opiates and benzos.  But its better than dealing with how bad my BPD would be if I was sober.




Well I've been there man, and the thing that got me through the worst was having friends and family that cared about me.  Feeling good only goes so far, you're not going to be the type of person that I imagine you want to be if you act selfishly.

You could definitely live sober, it's never too late for that, you've just got to find what reasons work for you and stick to it.  At some point if you want to survive it actually becomes necessary.  Hopefully you live long enough and have the good sense to realize it.  Until you do you could get all the best advice in the world and you'll still continue that cycle of self-destruction.  It's pretty much inevitable.



It's not self destructive tho because the drugs make me able to function I got a pretty good paying job.


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    #22306532 - 09/29/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do my threads always have to be ruined...  :canthelpbutlaugh:



Sorry man that's just the nature of threads like this. Some idiot out there is always convinced he has all the answers and will keep responding all night no matter how many people put his "logic" 6 feet under.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22306540 - 09/29/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why do my threads always have to be ruined...  :canthelpbutlaugh:



Sorry man that's just the nature of threads like this. Some idiot out there is always convinced he has all the answers and will keep responding all night no matter how many people put his "logic" 6 feet under.



TTYL man, I'ma go eat something, and go to bed.  I'll see what kind of nonsense this guy typed up in morning.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306549 - 09/29/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I heard women have a very high rate of this 'disorder'


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22306552 - 09/29/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I heard women have a very high rate of this 'disorder'



My girlfriend has it too.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306597 - 09/29/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not following my treatment I do what I have to do to make myself feel better.  I could never live sober.  My mental heath problems are too bad, I've been doing them so long and I'm physically addicted to opiates and benzos.  But its better than dealing with how bad my BPD would be if I was sober.




Well I've been there man, and the thing that got me through the worst was having friends and family that cared about me.  Feeling good only goes so far, you're not going to be the type of person that I imagine you want to be if you act selfishly.

You could definitely live sober, it's never too late for that, you've just got to find what reasons work for you and stick to it.  At some point if you want to survive it actually becomes necessary.  Hopefully you live long enough and have the good sense to realize it.  Until you do you could get all the best advice in the world and you'll still continue that cycle of self-destruction.  It's pretty much inevitable.



It's not self destructive tho because the drugs make me able to function I got a pretty good paying job.




Well good luck with that.  Must be great if you can stay up all night on weeknights and get high every day :grin:

Even if you can manage to keep a consistent supply.  Sooner or later the drugs leave you feeling empty, and you either progress or learn another way to live.  If you allow things to progress you can expect them to get worse.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22306602 - 09/29/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I already feel empty because of the borderline and I took a 2 week vacation from work because my family is visiting.


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    #22306614 - 09/29/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Formaldehyde in vacccines



Big deal, there is cyanide in apples too. I guess apples are dangerous and kill people too.

You are are more or less full of shit and you don't have a solid clue on what you're talking about. Seriously go read and do some critical thinking before attempting to spew out your bs conspiracy theories.


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    #22306617 - 09/29/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Formaldehyde in vacccines



Big deal, there is cyanide in apples too. I guess apples are dangerous and kill people too.

You are are more or less full of shit and you don't have a solid clue on what you're talking about. Seriously go read and do some critical thinking before attempting to spew out your bs conspiracy theories.



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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306618 - 09/29/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What does it feel like? How do you know you have it?


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306621 - 09/29/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Formaldehyde in vacccines



Big deal, there is cyanide in apples too. I guess apples are dangerous and kill people too.

You are are more or less full of shit and you don't have a solid clue on what you're talking about. Seriously go read and do some critical thinking before attempting to spew out your bs conspiracy theories.



Why did my thread turn in to this?





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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306629 - 09/29/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I already feel empty because of the borderline and I took a 2 week vacation from work because my family is visiting.





Damn, well I'm jealous of that.  Obviously you're going to do what you're going to do, but I think anyone who tried to help you with this is not going to get far as long as you continue to believe that you need all these drugs to function.  It's ok to be less than perfect sometimes.  Trying to achieve a sense of satisfaction through drugs just doesn't translate to having a good life in the end. 

If you're able to do all those drugs and maintain stable relationships over time I would be impressed surprised.  I think you would be better off listening to your doctor and taking your treatment seriously.  Otherwise the BPD diagnosis is ultimately meaningless.  It shouldn't be used as an excuse, or something you think is part of your essential character.  It is just a means to understand your personal issues and get strategies to cope with those issues.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22306630 - 09/29/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What does it feel like? How do you know you have it?



I got diagnosed by a psychiatrist and I'm to tired to describe it rn but I'll give u a link

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306636 - 09/29/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow that sounds horrible :hug:

Hope things get better

How do you like zyprexa?

My doctor tries so hard to push anti-depressants on me, so hard. He wants me to take remeron but I prefer to be scarfing kratom all day.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I already feel empty because of the borderline and I took a 2 week vacation from work because my family is visiting.





Damn, well I'm jealous of that.  Obviously you're going to do what you're going to do, but I think anyone who tried to help you with this is not going to get far as long as you continue to believe that you need all these drugs to function.  It's ok to be less than perfect sometimes.  Trying to achieve a sense of satisfaction through drugs just doesn't translate to having a good life in the end. 

If you're able to do all those drugs and maintain stable relationships over time I would be impressed.  I think you would be better off listening to your doctor and taking your treatment seriously.  Otherwise the BPD diagnosis is ultimately meaningless.  It shouldn't be used as an excuse, or something you think is part of your essential character.  It is just a means to understand your personal issues and get strategies to cope with those issues.



When I'm high I have fun, and get shit done.  When I'm sober I have mood swings, anger, depression and BPD.  Which sounds more apealing?

Fuck being sober, I don't care that I'm addicted.  And anyone who's judging me can go suck a dick,


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306646 - 09/29/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I dont like being addicted to kratom but overall I prefer using it daily to not using it. I love using it every day, I just don't like that I have to use it every day.


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    #22306649 - 09/29/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is this Borderlands personality disorder



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    #22306650 - 09/29/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I dont like being addicted to kratom but overall I prefer using it daily to not using it. I love using it every day, I just don't like that I have to use it every day.



Yeah I don't like using drugs everyday either but its better than dealing wit my problems...


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306654 - 09/29/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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BPD is horrible indeed, as it severely impacts your social functioning. Often much more vehemently than other psychiatric conditions. My girlfriend works as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and the people with BPD are generally the most difficult ones to deal with. The reason is that people with BPD can come across as extremely manipulative and unpleasant, but they still need to receive the care that they're in the institution for. For caregivers, this can be hard, as at some point it's really a struggle to not let the BPD-induced behavior cloud the patient-caregiver relationship.

spixce, disregard the nonsense that it's all fake and it doesn't exist. Sure, there will be cases, particularly in the US, that are mistakenly diagnosed and/or over-prescribed, but that doesn't change that conditions such as BPD, Bipolar and schizophrenia are very real. Also, medication does help in virtually all cases to some extent, but there's no magic bullet - not a pill, and nothing in the alternative spectrum is a sure-fire way to get rid of this, as you're generally stuck with it for life. This sucks badly, and the only thing that does seem to help a bit is to try and live a stable life, be careful in times of stress and reach out for professional help whenever your situation deteriorates periodically.

The above sounds harsh, but I'm sure it's nothing new to you. It's also not a disqualification of you as a person - far from it. I hope it'll help you see that at least some of us understand the seriousness of what you're going through. Feel free to reach out for the people here who will help you to see things from a different perspective at the times when you notice your perception may be biased by your ailments. I can imagine it helps (even if it's only a little bit) to hear from others that people aren't (nearly) always out to harm you or to leave you. Obviously, these things happen to some extent to everyone, but that's different from living with the constant fear that they will. I hope you'll find many ways to deal with the situations where you may hurt people to get them to show that they care about you, and to find the trust (albeit only on a rational level and not always on an emotional one) that at least some people do care about you regardless of your BPD and bipolar.

I feel for you and I think it's a shame that there are still so many who deny the seriousness of these conditions.



It just sucks because I just can't function like a normal person without drugs.  I always feel like I'm homesick for a place that doesn't exist.




:hugitout:
I've lived with this whole feeling my entire life. There's a fine line between helpful drug use and detrimental drug use though, so be careful how you walk it op.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306659 - 09/29/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck being sober, I don't care that I'm addicted.  And anyone who's judging me can go suck a dick,




:hugitout: Can totally relate bro. Keep on doing whatever helps you in this current moment, if that's drugs, fair play. You can always change your lifestyle if it calls for that.


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    #22306672 - 09/29/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck being sober, I don't care that I'm addicted.  And anyone who's judging me can go suck a dick,




:hugitout: Can totally relate bro. Keep on doing whatever helps you in this current moment, if that's drugs, fair play. You can always change your lifestyle if it calls for that.



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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
    #22306825 - 09/29/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can't take the time to make your own arguments why are you even worth talking to? At best articles should be posted to BACK UP what you have to say, you don't let them do the talking for you. It's lame as fuck to just post links when people question your assumptions. It basically says your stance and knowledge on the subject is so weak you can't stand on your own and have to let people talk for you.

Either way I'm done arguing with you over it. Multiple times I asked what vaccinations have to do with psychiatry being bullshit and multiple times you've neglected to answer.



Yo man, quit your shit. I posted those articles to back up the last like 4 pages of my arguement. Which they did. From money grabin, to pharma influenceing med schools, to doctors prescribing meds where there is no physical abnormalitiy. I listen. Do you? Everyones entitled to their opinion.  If they find something wprks for the, great. Im here giving my own 2 cents from my OWN experience with the meds and similar disorders,  and im here to add they fucked me the fuck up. It wasnt until Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (emotional intelligence) did anything get fixed. So drop your personal childish vendetta from the other night, when i told you that you have a new lesson, and read some well sourced articles. K thanx, Mistah 11,000 posts.

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Formaldehyde in vacccines



Big deal, there is cyanide in apples too. I guess apples are dangerous and kill people too.

You are are more or less full of shit and you don't have a solid clue on what you're talking about. Seriously go read and do some critical thinking before attempting to spew out your bs conspiracy theories.




Do you eat your fucking apple cores? Do yiu eat apple seeds? Cyanide consumption is irrelevant.  Unless you eat your core.

What is relevant is how 48% of healthy non smokimg americans contract some sort of cancer in their life span. Almost half.

Wheras the Japanese its less thsn 10%.
Could it maybe be the vaccines?  Which contain embalming fluid, amd high enough amounts of aluminum to cause alzheimers?

Maybe...

Aint no bs conspiracy theorys here. Ive cited government website, and time magazine. Both of which i would assume credibility. If you have facts stating otherwise im not aware of please share.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #22306837 - 09/29/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can't take the time to make your own arguments why are you even worth talking to? At best articles should be posted to BACK UP what you have to say, you don't let them do the talking for you.




Also you're really desperate at this point. I never use my post count to "throw my weight around". If I had, then you calling out my post count may make sense, but since I didn't, you're just desperately trying to find something to discredit me and make yourself look better. Pointing to my post count is an even weaker argument than posting links to articles when someone has asked you a direction question.

WHICH YOU ARE STILL YET TO ANSWER EVEN THOUGH YOU FELT A NEED TO REPLY TO ME.

I'm not reading your stupid fucking links. Speak for yourself. If your only come back to tell me what cancerous vaccinations has to do with psychiatry being bullshit is to post links, you're an idiot.


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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22306844 - 09/29/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:
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I agree. Let me know when you finish it and have a grasp on basic common sense and learn to actually present your own arguments.


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    #22306848 - 09/29/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your post count is so high, you clearly spend enough time on the computer,  to read the articles.. so do that.


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    #22306929 - 09/29/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED. :facepalm:

Actually  :knowwhatnevermind: You're entirely too stupid to even argue with. I ask what "cancerous vaccinations" has to do with "psychiatry is bullshit" and I get some copy pasted link and quote about how there is no test to identify mental disabilities.



I've heard that vaccines cause down syndrome and autism too.. this might explain why he's so :tard:

Don't get vaccinations or flu shots guys or your run the risk of permanently ending up like TORRTARD

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Your post count is so high, you clearly spend enough time on the computer,  to read the articles.. so do that.



This is seriously the ultimate "I lost" comeback :burke:

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Aint no bs conspiracy theorys here. Ive cited government website, and time magazine. Both of which i would assume credibility. If you have facts stating otherwise im not aware of please share.



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    #22307335 - 09/29/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I gotta hand it to people like TORCUTT who dare to challenge our beliefs, and whom are agianst meds being handed out like candy. I also sympathise with those who support the other side. tORCUTT you seem like a semi-knowledgeable dude surely you must understand that mental disorders are real and sometimes their is no other option than to take meds. Not all meds are the devil there are some seriously life saving chemicals out there.

All in all we need these people who challenge us, more so we need to constantly challenge our selves. If you are on meds or figured out how to get by without you are all strong. Surely though some on meds can take a look at there regime and find some way to decrease there med intake thus improving there lives. Vice versa some who are not on meds can take a look at there lives and possibly think of a way they may increase there livelyhood if they would talk to a doc.

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    #22307352 - 09/29/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you know who I love the people who know there is no such thing as a mental disorder the ones who truly know they are in full control of there minds and realize they are the only ones with the cure and don't fall for the temporary cures being shoved down your throats and see threw the lies


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    #22307370 - 09/29/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I love the people who come in after a ridiculous internet argument and preach peace, love, and understanding.  :peace::heart: :hug:


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I already feel empty because of the borderline and I took a 2 week vacation from work because my family is visiting.





Damn, well I'm jealous of that.  Obviously you're going to do what you're going to do, but I think anyone who tried to help you with this is not going to get far as long as you continue to believe that you need all these drugs to function.  It's ok to be less than perfect sometimes.  Trying to achieve a sense of satisfaction through drugs just doesn't translate to having a good life in the end. 

If you're able to do all those drugs and maintain stable relationships over time I would be impressed.  I think you would be better off listening to your doctor and taking your treatment seriously.  Otherwise the BPD diagnosis is ultimately meaningless.  It shouldn't be used as an excuse, or something you think is part of your essential character.  It is just a means to understand your personal issues and get strategies to cope with those issues.



When I'm high I have fun, and get shit done.  When I'm sober I have mood swings, anger, depression and BPD.  Which sounds more apealing?

Fuck being sober, I don't care that I'm addicted.  And anyone who's judging me can go suck a dick,




Where did I judge you?  I'm making predictions regarding your future.  You can say I don't know what I'm talking about, but I kinda do.

You're going to have worse problems if you don't stick with your treatment, and you're probably going to die if you continue mixing benzos and opiates.  I know it feels like it is worth it now because now is all that really matters, but if that is really the type of person you are I think you're going to end up hurting the people you supposedly care about.


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