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specialpeopleclub said: Im not sure how much we, whafever 'we' are in our head, controls anything. a=We seem to be able, to some extent, to control our actions, but do we? What are we? Our biology controls everything, so are our actiions really a choice? Even ones with no emotion attatched
The state of no emotion is called contempt. And its an emotion in itself. Emotion controls thought. Always. Happy comes happy thoughts, angry comes angry thoughts, sad comes sad thoughts.. so on and so forth brother.. you wont be thinking happy thoughts in an emotion of anger. Nor will you be thinking of humor in an emotion of anxiousness.
Now, to he able to stop feeling anger, when we want, to switch our feelings off and on when desired is real. I do it day to day. Monks are a master of it. In turn they can control themselves amd their bodies, down to the cell. Being able to light the, selves on fire and feel no oain. To slow their heart rate to sleep for 3 months straight...
Free will. Thats us. Unless your will is under the influence of some other way of thinking, that goes, you cant think for yourself, is just a part of the plot to keep us dumb. On a mass level. Via TV and drugs, music and so forth.
No, contempt is more like being bitter
Sam Harris has great thoughts on how free will is an illusion, and is pretty convincing
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: LSDreamer]
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moonrockmushy said: This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.
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Shroomslip said: I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).
Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
No, we don't group them all together. Doctors who treat psychiatric conditions are called psychiatrists. If whatever you were diagnosed with was able to be controlled adequately using only behavioral treatment, great. That's ideal because doctors, especially psychiatrists, actually want to use as few drugs as possible in the smallest effective doses. However, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Meditation and Mindfulness are integral parts of keeping myself healthy, but they do not cut it on their own. That's because without psychiatric medication, I will become so depressed that maintaining positive self-catering practices is both insufficient to treat my condition, and also impossible.
meditation doesnt work if the temple is impure. Chemical dependencys make things more difficult. You can get over and cure depression without your drugs. Its just a journey. A 2 year one for me. Its not easy, or else these things wouldnt be a problem. It takes dedication.
And thats debatale. For our emotion controls our endorphins. Our endorphins control everything. These chemical physical imbalances, can be fixed, with nothing more than a proper state of mind. Drugs and doctors arent always the answer.
But im not your mom. Or dad. So keep on keeping on.
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TORCUTT said: It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.
No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.
Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too. Formaldehyde in vacccines, The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up, Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.
The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Take a break from the acid man...
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Dude, it's great that it works for you, but your experience isn't universal. There are a lot of ways to try and deal with this and what works is highly dependent on the person in question, I'm sure you agree with me on this. When we've established this, it's also viable that some people do best when they also make use of the pharmacological aids that are available.
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Just another shining example of the "everyone is me" bullshit. Something works for them, so they assume it must be true for everybody else as well.
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You simply have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing correct you said in there is that drugs and doctors aren't always the answer, which I had already explicitly stated. But, hey, maybe you'll change your perspective if you convince someone to stop taking their meds and they mill themselves. Or maybe not. I've seen it happen.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Shroomslip]
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There are some nearly universal tools for the mind, but that 'impure temple' stuff is retarded
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Yeah, seriously. Meditation is great. Probably the single most powerful tool against stress and negative/unwanted states of mind and thoughts that I've ever come across. Take a look at my title. Materialist. I don't buy into any supernatural shit at all. Meditation is still effective.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
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Just you wait. Perhaps you're the most stable person with BPD ever, but using all these drugs to medicate yourself is both causing dependence, which will contribute to your overall lack of emotional balance and control, and covering up the underlying problems causing you to medicate which will allow them to fester and prevent you from developing healthy strategies to cope. It's probably going to be alot worse than you expect, and like most people you will regret going down that road.
Sometimes it's better in the long run just to take what you need to get by, and you may feel like you need a cocktail of opiates, benzos, and speed to cope but that is because you are an addict, not because you're faced with much worse mental problems than other people. If your doctor is giving you all that, I would say he is irresponsible, and if you're self-medicating on any sort of regular basis you can't really say that you're following your treatment.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: BPD is horrible indeed, as it severely impacts your social functioning. Often much more vehemently than other psychiatric conditions. My girlfriend works as a nurse in a psychiatric hospital and the people with BPD are generally the most difficult ones to deal with. The reason is that people with BPD can come across as extremely manipulative and unpleasant, but they still need to receive the care that they're in the institution for. For caregivers, this can be hard, as at some point it's really a struggle to not let the BPD-induced behavior cloud the patient-caregiver relationship.
heheheh, yep. In the psych unit if a patient can make you hate their guts within 10 minutes of meeting them they are probably BPD. Just a joke, sorry to hate on BPD folks. They have a tough time. I know, my father is BPD.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
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TORCUTT said: It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.
No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.
Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too. Formaldehyde in vacccines, The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up, Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.
The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Take a break from the acid man...
I havent had a trip since july. Anyways read this. Right from the CDC clearly stating the content of Formaldehyde and Aluminum in vaccines. Mind you this is a .gov website. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm http://www.cchrint.org/2010/10/30/1-million-misdiagnosed-adhd-children-for-80b-drug-industry/
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“The psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars a year to convince the public, legislators and the press that psychiatric disorders such as Bi-Polar Disorder, Depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD/ADHD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., are medical diseases on par with verifiable medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. Yet unlike real medical disease, there are no scientific tests to verify the medical existence of any psychiatric disorder. To counter this obvious flaw in their push to medicalize behaviors, the psychiatric industry will claim that there are certain medical conditions that do not have a verifiable test so this is why there isn’t one for “mental illness.” This is frankly a lame argument; Whereas there may be rare medical conditions that do not have a verifiable medical test, there are virtually no psychiatric disorders that can be verified medically as a physical abnormality/disease. Not one.” (CCHR)
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That's pretty irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?
You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.
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You do have to understand your own mental faults. Others will give you all sorts of sstupid lables because most people are stupid, know it all cunts that think they can read minds or something. We don;t know your thought process, only the actions resulting Sam Harris has an amazing meditation book
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?
You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.
Formaldehyde is the single most carcinogic chemical known to man. You dont find anything wrong with that? Amd read the 2nd link.
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What does that have to do with your previous arguments in this thread? Your arguments have been "Mental disease can only be treated through the mind, medications/drugs do not work and doctors cannot help you, it's all just a money grab".
Now you're throwing in this antivax garbage for seemingly no reason at all.
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I'm not following my treatment I do what I have to do to make myself feel better. I could never live sober. My mental heath problems are too bad, I've been doing them so long and I'm physically addicted to opiates and benzos. But its better than dealing with how bad my BPD would be if I was sober.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: What does that have to do with your previous arguments in this thread? Your arguments have been "Mental disease can only be treated through the mind, medications/drugs do not work and doctors cannot help you, it's all just a money grab".
Now you're throwing in this antivax garbage for seemingly no reason at all.
http://www.cchrint.org/2010/10/30/1-million-misdiagnosed-adhd-children-for-80b-drug-industry/
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“The psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars a year to convince the public, legislators and the press that psychiatric disorders such as Bi-Polar Disorder, Depression, Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD/ADHD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, etc., are medical diseases on par with verifiable medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. Yet unlike real medical disease, there are no scientific tests to verify the medical existence of any psychiatric disorder. To counter this obvious flaw in their push to medicalize behaviors, the psychiatric industry will claim that there are certain medical conditions that do not have a verifiable test so this is why there isn’t one for “mental illness.” This is frankly a lame argument; Whereas there may be rare medical conditions that do not have a verifiable medical test, there are virtually no psychiatric disorders that can be verified medically as a physical abnormality/disease. Not one.” (CCHR)
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Shroomslip said: Okay your argument has been that treating mental disorders with medication is stupid, now vaccinations against actual physical afflictions are bunk too?
You just lost even more credit than you already had with that.
Formaldehyde is the single most carcinogic chemical known to man. You dont find anything wrong with that? Amd read the 2nd link.
Go back to PSE with that bullshit. I hate how psychedelic drugs make SOME people into know it all assholes.
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WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED. 
Actually You're entirely too stupid to even argue with. I ask what "cancerous vaccinations" has to do with "psychiatry is bullshit" and I get some copy pasted link and quote about how there is no test to identify mental disabilities.
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