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WhyDidiDoThis
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
#22306390 - 09/29/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adderall and ritilan fucked me up. I felt just zombified. Disconnected from my ownself. Terrible feeelings. Celexa for depression was mild, but i can feel how easily manipulative they are. Niw when i stopped taking them, it took 2 years.. 2 whole years.. before my brain sorted out all my disorders.
I know id still be a fucked up mess if i were still pill poppn from the doc. I can feel it in my bones.
If we dont have ebola, or some life threatening disease, there is no reason to be taking medication everyday..
They want you coming back. For the rest of forever man.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
#22306392 - 09/29/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spixce said: ...The only reason I haven't put a bullet in my head is my girl. She's the only thing that makes my life worth living.
Opiates, Benzos, Zyprexa and the occasional MDMA and Adderall help me so much.
The problem is that all these things will let you down sooner or later. If you love someone you have to be strong or else you will end up just bringing misery to the people you love. You can learn to cope without drugs, and if you do you will be better for it.
At least the opiates, benzos, and stims. Those are going to seriously interfere with any drugs your doctor prescribes, perhaps to your great detriment. If the Zyprexa helps a little bit even I wouldn't necessarily count on more making it work better, you've got to do your part as well.
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spixce
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spixce said: ...The only reason I haven't put a bullet in my head is my girl. She's the only thing that makes my life worth living.
Opiates, Benzos, Zyprexa and the occasional MDMA and Adderall help me so much.
The problem is that all these things will let you down sooner or later. If you love someone you have to be strong or else you will end up just bringing misery to the people you love. You can learn to cope without drugs, and if you do you will be better for it.
At least the opiates, benzos, and stims. Those are going to seriously interfere with any drugs your doctor prescribes, perhaps to your great detriment. If the Zyprexa helps a little bit even I wouldn't necessarily count on more making it work better, you've got to do your part as well.
I find opiate and benzos make zyprexa better and zyprexa is the best drug for stim comedowns.
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WhyDidiDoThis
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moonrockmushy said: This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.
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Shroomslip said: I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).
Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
Edited by WhyDidiDoThis (09/29/15 03:05 AM)
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spixce
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TORCUTT said: Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
How in the fuck are monks gonna help my BPD. The meds the doc gave me are working. I don't even get any side effects from zyprexa except sedation, mild euphoria and the biggest munchies EVER but I work out daily so getting fat won't be a problem. Also IMO antipsychotics are the best taste enhancers too. I ate 3 quarter pounder deluxes on zyprexa and it was so amazing words can't describe it. It was like an orgasm in my mouth. 
Zyprexa just puts me in a good mood, helps my mental problems, and makes me chill why does everyone hate on it?
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Fletcher] 2
#22306423 - 09/29/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fletcher said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?
Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
#22306425 - 09/29/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do suffer from manic depression (my preferred terminology), along with ocd , insomnia and extreme anxiety. Many times I'll leave for work and not be able to make the bus ride. Either my mind is stuck on some minor detail (not locking the door, leaving the stove on, letting my dogs out by accident, etc.) Or I become physically ill, like I'm going to die, and most of the time I cannot find interest in conversation, even close friends.
The best things that work for me are exercise, eating well, finding moments to be completely alone and in silence, and music. If you need drugs, you need them. I'll admit it is a battle, but in the long run it is making me a healthier person.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: LSDreamer]
#22306426 - 09/29/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fletcher said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?
Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: LSDreamer]
#22306427 - 09/29/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fletcher said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't manic depression and bipolar disorder the same thing?
Yes, they are. That guy just has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] 2
#22306430 - 09/29/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.
No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
#22306431 - 09/29/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Zyprexa may help with the psychotic tendencies that often accompany BPD, so it's very possible you experience benefit from them. Things like stimulants and opioids have the risk of destabilizing you, especially if you run out or otherwise come down, so they may seem like a short term cure, but can induce severe worsening of the situation in the mid to long term.
Torcutt has a point in that behavioral therapy is probably the most effective part of a pckage of measures that can help live with this. But I wouldn't advocate staying away from any medication necessarily. In my opinion it's best to keep in touch with a psychiatrist you mesh well with so that you can work out a regime that is sort of stable and manageable. If you can find support in alternative areas, such alternatives the monks mentioned by Torcutt, or yoga, meditation etc, then I would certainly pursue that. But as an addition to fomalux therapy, not a substitute.
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WhyDidiDoThis
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: spixce]
#22306432 - 09/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
How in the fuck are monks gonna help my BPD. The meds the doc gave me are working. I don't even get any side effects from zyprexa except sedation, mild euphoria and the biggest munchies EVER but I work out daily so getting fat won't be a problem. Also IMO antipsychotics are the best taste enhancers too. I ate 3 quarter pounder deluxes on zyprexa and it was so amazing words can't describe it. It was like an orgasm in my mouth. 
Zyprexa just puts me in a good mood, helps my mental problems, and makes me chill why does everyone hate on it?
They wont help if you dont let them of course. Your BPD is not like a tumor in your head. Its an inability to control emotion.
Edited by WhyDidiDoThis (09/29/15 03:25 AM)
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LSDreamer
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moonrockmushy said: This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.
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Shroomslip said: I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).
Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
Wait, that mental disorders don't exist is EXACTLY what you said. Don't try to pivot to a different position when you get nailed down as being full of shit.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: LSDreamer]
#22306436 - 09/29/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said:
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TORCUTT said: It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.
No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.
Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too. Formaldehyde in vacccines, The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up, Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.
The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: LSDreamer]
#22306437 - 09/29/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.
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Shroomslip said: I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).
Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
Wait, that mental disorders don't exist is EXACTLY what you said. Don't try to pivot to a different position when you get nailed down as being full of shit.
I said they only exist because we allow them to. Please tell me whwre i said they didnt exist. There is no pivot. Im still standing where i believe is right. No need to be so heated.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: Fletcher]
#22306438 - 09/29/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fletcher said: I do suffer from manic depression (my preferred terminology), along with ocd , insomnia and extreme anxiety. Many times I'll leave for work and not be able to make the bus ride. Either my mind is stuck on some minor detail (not locking the door, leaving the stove on, letting my dogs out by accident, etc.) Or I become physically ill, like I'm going to die, and most of the time I cannot find interest in conversation, even close friends.
The best things that work for me are exercise, eating well, finding moments to be completely alone and in silence, and music. If you need drugs, you need them. I'll admit it is a battle, but in the long run it is making me a healthier person.
My perfect morning routine is to take 200mg caffeine 30mg Oxycodone, 2mg Ativan, 20mg Hydrocodone. Then go for a long run and when I'm done I'll lift weights and then shower.
I don't see how the drugs are messing up my life at all.
I take my Zyprexa during lunch. Sometimes I'll take an adderall if I wanna be really productive or some 4-FA if I wanna have a very social day and sometimes I'll take other opiates but Hydro and Oxy are my usual because several of my friends are prescribed them and they give them to me for very cheap like 5 bucks for a blue.
I eat well most of the time but every Sunday I get fast food or pizza as kind of a reward for eating good.
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This is the key to any pschylogical condition. Ive over come ADHD, bipolar, and manic depression. (They are all made up, they only exist cause we allow them to.)
If the health care industry truly made us better, it wouldnt be a XXX billion dollar industry.
Yep pretty much exactly what he said...dude must be bat shit crazy though because mental disorders are not made up. It isn't some conspiracy that doctors and drug companies have unleashed on us to make some dollars and cents...
OP ,therapy may help but taking your prescribed medicine(s) and avoiding taking drugs for recreational purposes is probably going to be much better in the long run than using opis, benzos, etc...
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moonrockmushy said: This is starting to remind me of Bitter Cactus's rants denying the existence of anxiety.
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Shroomslip said: I was just about to say basically the same thing. We got rid of Bitter Cactus but got this guy to replace him before BC's official departure. I never really noticed him before just a few weeks ago. I've even pointed out this phenomenon before (where anytime we get rid of one person they are always replaced by another who fills their shoes, even if the two overlap for a bit).
Hey im not saying mental disorders dont exist, im simply stating, they are not treated properly. Why the fuck go to a doctor for a mentally unstable state. Doctors are here to keep you from contracting illnesses. Like flus and such.
Lets go talk to the psychologist. Or therapist.
But instead we all group them together. Infact, monks have helped my mental instability more than anything.
No, we don't group them all together. Doctors who treat psychiatric conditions are called psychiatrists. If whatever you were diagnosed with was able to be controlled adequately using only behavioral treatment, great. That's ideal because doctors, especially psychiatrists, actually want to use as few drugs as possible in the smallest effective doses. However, that doesn't mean your experience is universal. Meditation and Mindfulness are integral parts of keeping myself healthy, but they do not cut it on their own. That's because without psychiatric medication, I will become so depressed that maintaining positive self-catering practices is both insufficient to treat my condition, and also impossible.
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Re: Borderline Personality Disorder [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22306443 - 09/29/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mkay. Have fun. Ill be over here.
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LSDreamer
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LSDreamer said:
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TORCUTT said: It all bullshit in the end. Lies made to control us. Been beat i to our head by so many "powerful well established people"(doctors). It must be true. Simple fact, is medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies, basically controlling what the doctors learn, in turn, in the real world, only knowing what drug companies taught them. Which is jack shit.
No, it isn't made up. Doctors don't only know what drug companies taught them, and EVEN IF THEY DID that's what we have them for. Doctors aren't SUPPOSED to be experts in pharmacology, they're supposed to be experts in the currently accepted methods of diagnosing and treating medical conditions. Going around and telling people their psychiatric condition is a lie is fucking dangerous, and it harms and kills people.
Pharmaceuticals are dangerous and kill people too. Formaldehyde in vacccines, The discoverer of ADHD addmitting he was forced to make it up, Combating non physical ailments with physcial drugs, is absurd.
The condition is real. How we approach to fix it is not.
Most psychiatric conditions DO have a physical component. They're caused by abnormal brain function. This has been thoroughly demonstrated.
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