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vaping DOES NOT replace cigs 1
#22305487 - 09/28/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck these vaporizers nuttin' but gimmick bullshit..when im drinking i wanna light a cig wif that tobaccy smell..vapes suck ass compared to cigs
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I say I'm gonna vape some weed
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I say you didn't have the right vape.
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I think it's good if it's truly helping someone not smoke cigarettes
And I say this as a cigarette smoker
That said, any of these dork ass hipsters who jumped on the vape bandwagon because they think the shit looks cool...
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305524 - 09/28/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I say you didn't have the right vape.
Also this.
Have you seen the massive fucking clouds of vapor they can produce?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Uzziel]
#22305555 - 09/28/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd rather just smoke hookah for the big clouds.
i love chain smoking cigs with a few beers n' friends
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Uzziel]
#22305556 - 09/28/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vaping works for me, but I spend more on vaping gear than I used to on smokes.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Niffla]
#22305565 - 09/28/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Niffla said: I think it's good if it's truly helping someone not smoke cigarettes
And I say this as a cigarette smoker
That said, any of these dork ass hipsters who jumped on the vape bandwagon because they think the shit looks cool...

To be fair, even us hardcore vapers hate those fuckers. 
Those people just need to piss off and go find some other bandwagon to jump on. It diminishes the vaporizers credibility IMO. I honestly want every single person who smokes to pick up a good vape and quit. Not because I think it's cool, but because I've seen how it can work and being addicted to cigarettes sucks so bad. It's taken us a very long to finally come up with some quit smoking aid that actually damn works. So I'll sing it's praise from rooftops if I have to.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305587 - 09/28/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does a GOOD vape make a huge difference in reducing cigarette cravings? I have one but it only worked for a few days and then I think I wrecked my chance of quitting because I had a really stressful day one day and smoked a pack, and by then the the novelty had worn off so I mostly just continued to smoke cigs afterwards. Now I just hardly use it anymore.
Is it worth spending a larger amount money to try again? If it really does make a difference, how much does one have to spend to actually tell?
I hope I didn't ruin my one chance.
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i say fuck you and the fucking horse you road in on.
vapes helped me quit cigs. and i ended up quitting nicotine altogether.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305602 - 09/28/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buy the mod, put a few instagram pics up and flip the thing to pay for the next 'high end' toy to pose with.
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Vaping can go to bed... Unless it's a hash oil vape or has some crystal in it... don't smoke anymore though
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Midnight_Toker said: Does a GOOD vape make a huge difference in reducing cigarette cravings? I have one but it only worked for a few days and then I think I wrecked my chance of quitting because I had a really stressful day one day and smoked a pack, and by then the the novelty had worn off so I mostly just continued to smoke cigs afterwards. Now I just hardly use it anymore.
Is it worth spending a larger amount money to try again? If it really does make a difference, how much does one have to spend to actually tell?
I hope I didn't ruin my one chance.
Yeah it makes a big difference. But you can set yourself up for less than $100 if you buy the right thing.
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IMO it really depends on the person, but in most cases, yes. Lesser vaporizers, like the pen vapes, are really only going to cover the nicotine portion of things. After a few days you start to miss cigs because you're not getting that same lung/throat feel that cigs provided. So it just doesn't feel as satisfying. A better vape can replicate this feeling. My current one can make me cough and feels more like a hit from a bong than a cigarette (which I could dial back in intensity if I wanted to, but I like it that way).
It requires an investment of money, time and effort to really do though. The more effort you put into it, the cheaper it can be. With the right tank, you can still get good throat hit while buying the premade coils, but they have to be replaced periodically, and 5 of them is around 10-15 bucks or so last I checked. (They each last about a week or two maybe longer depending on how heavily you use it). So if you get a tank where you can rebuild your coils or go to an RDA instead of a tank, it can be much cheaper to "replace the coils". Buying juice is obviously more expensive than making it yourself and in high vapor output systems, you're going to go through a lot of it. So yet again if you put in the effort to make your own, you can save money.
As for how much for the actual initial setup, it can vary greatly depending on your actual needs. It could be as cheap as 100 or so bucks, or you can spend 250-300.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305657 - 09/28/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just on my tube mods there's a couple of grand of stuff in the vape drawer, and that's before I even look at my attys. Buying shiny stuff becomes a new addiction.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305673 - 09/28/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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at some point dont you think that its all a waste? find a setup that you are happy with and go from there? cut down on the nic levels and ultimatly quit it all??
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305676 - 09/28/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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unless your vaporizing tobacco leaf, no. its nothing like smoking a cigarette at all. but it definately can help certain people quit
i'm not one of the people apparently. i have a iTaste MVP 2 and Kanger Aerotank and never use them. its not satisfying at all and has a strong bite to the throat when you inhale
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: rackem]
#22305684 - 09/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont wanna quit cigs my dude
cigs so much better
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I don't really smoke on the reg but when I want to smoke a want a sig. I tried vapes for a while but they always seem to get fucked up and shit. Plus they never really give me the same buzz a cigarette does.
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Vaping totally replaces cigs. I smoked like a chimney for 18 years. Quit overnight with an Ecig.
If it didn't satisfy, you almost assuredly just weren't using the right combination of device and ejuice for you. It takes a little bit of research and experimentation to find your sweet spot. You want a dank tobacco? you can do that. You want a hardcore buzz? Any level of nic you want. You're "missing" some of the alkaloids from tobacco... Whole Tobacco Alkaloid ejuice... there's something for everyone. You just have to find what works for you. Also a good device is mandatory.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305694 - 09/28/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't gotten close to anything like that I've put in several hundred dollars though. I think probably around 150 on just juice making stuff (I'm up to like 70 flavors). Another 100 or so into coil building supplies. I also have a couple of tanks a couple of RDAs a couple of mods (though one is dying) and a bunch of old shit I don't use anymore like all the pen vape stuff. Minus juice I've bought and old disposable atty heads, I've probably put around 500 or so total into it so far.
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rackem said: at some point dont you think that its all a waste? find a setup that you are happy with and go from there? cut down on the nic levels and ultimatly quit it all??
I would quit but I know as soon as I do I'm just gonna turn back to cigs anyways. I'm addicted to having that throat hit. If I could smoke weed, I'd probably quit worrying about vaping, but it's the only thing that can provide it for me.
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why the fuck wouldnt you delete your cig habit?
i dont get it
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Adolin]
#22305713 - 09/28/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gresh said: unless your vaporizing tobacco leaf, no. its nothing like smoking a cigarette at all. but it definately can help certain people quit
i'm not one of the people apparently. i have a iTaste MVP 2 and Kanger Aerotank and never use them. its not satisfying at all and has a strong bite to the throat when you inhale
I think that still falls under the "you need to try a nice vape" category.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305726 - 09/28/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: rackem]
#22305735 - 09/28/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rackem said: at some point dont you think that its all a waste? find a setup that you are happy with and go from there? cut down on the nic levels and ultimatly quit it all??
Yeah, I've stopped the impulsive spending on new gear now. (as I've got enough stuff to last a lifetime) I've also dropped using flavours... Dunno if I'm ready to give up the nic yet tbh. It's not killing me like the smokes were, so I'm not super stressed about it.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305739 - 09/28/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can get nicotine free juice. Then you can't become more dependent on nicotine. If nicotine isn't an issue to begin with, shouldn't matter if the juice you get has none. Would be a hell of a lot healthier for you than smoking cigs.
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learning sponge said: fuck these vaporizers nuttin' but gimmick bullshit..when im drinking i wanna light a cig wif that tobaccy smell..vapes suck ass compared to cigs
what say you?

it's not quite the same but I quit smoking about a month ago and I've been using a vaporizer to do it. it's about finding the right atomizer and juice for you, it can actually be more satisfying at times
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305757 - 09/28/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
One of the beauties of ecigs is you can lower your nic level down as much as you want. If you are vaping more, you can lower your nic level. For example I started out at 24mg/ml of nic on a shitty device when I first quit.. that soon became 18
When I started sub-ohming on a dripper and blowing huge clouds all day.. I dropped to 6... then to 3.. now I'm at 1.5. Some people vape 0mg of nic.
The thing is that vaping replaces the cigarette "ritual" perfectly. If you are worried about nic dependency, that's nothing to be worried about with vaping. The nic level is all within your direct control.
Not to mention nicotine by itself isn't really all that addictive or all that harmful for that matter. It's about as harmful as caffeine... and has a similar effect. Read some of the extensive studies on nic in my sig.
It's all the other shit in cigarettes that is added that increases their addiction 5x more than nicotine alone. Many of them add in MAOIs with act as a potentiator for nicotine making it much more addictive. By itself, nicotine isn't super duper addictive, only mildly so.
In fact, that's the entire goal of vaping for many vapers. It's a tool designed to quit smoking. Many people get into vaping with the intention of dropping their nic levels down to 0 and quitting completely. Some people just enjoy the hobby / craft / enjoyment aspects of vaping and just stick with it as a much healthier alternative to smoknig.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
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jfischer218 said: My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
Nicotine isn't really that bad for you, but the chemicals and tar in smokes is deadly. And somehow the vape isn't as compulsive and must have unlike smokes.
Kinda like choosing the lesser of two evils me thinks.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305767 - 09/28/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer tobacco over vapes but it's not the same reason that OP is complaining.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Acaterpillar]
#22305786 - 09/28/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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For people that prefer tobacco, I challenge you to try to a good tasting vanilla dark tobacco whole tobacco alkaloid ejuice in the right device and tell me it doesn't satisfy just as good. A lot of the "problem" with ecigs is the market is totally saturated and there's a lot of shitty devices and shitty ejuices. You really do need to find the right combination of good device, and the right kind of ejuice for you that totally satisfies. Those are the most important variables.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Acaterpillar]
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I still like the smell of burning tobacco, but I feel nasty sick if I smoke it now. Tastes fucking disgusting, yet I didn't notice that for 20 years somehow..
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305813 - 09/28/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So people who vape...
If i walk into a headshop(i dont shop online) what do i buy for equipment and a tobacco juice thats comparable? Im not willing to spend more than $200, though
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305814 - 09/28/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i feel the same, but haven't tried whole tobacco alkaloid juice yet, so not giving up on vaping till i try vaping an actual tobacco product
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism]
#22305831 - 09/28/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: For people that prefer tobacco, I challenge you to try to a good tasting vanilla dark tobacco whole tobacco alkaloid ejuice in the right device and tell me it doesn't satisfy just as good.
I see tobacco as a spiritual medicine, so I prefer working with the plant. I don't smoke it for the nicotine alone.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
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You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
IMO you want a good subohm tank, if possible with both replaceable prebuilt coils and RBA deck (this lets you build coils yourself) and a mod that goes to at least 50w. Replaceable batteries being highly preferred. Best advice I can give you is go see what they have to offer that fits this and then go home and look up reviews or ask someone who knows about the stuff to see if it's a quality piece.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
If i buy online and you have the opportunity to pick whatever you want for me that works out of the box under $200, what would you pick?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
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jfischer218 said: So people who vape...
If i walk into a headshop(i dont shop online) what do i buy for equipment and a tobacco juice thats comparable? Im not willing to spend more than $200, though
I wouldn't recommend getting your supplies at a head shop. They're usually overpriced and not so knowledgeable. Try to find a legit vape store.
As far as devices go, A lot will depend on what you're looking for, but I think I'm safe in recommending the Kangertech Subbox Mini Starter kit. Online, it'll run you like 80 bucks, but in person I've seen it go for as much as 120!
While it's not my favorite device because I'm into mech mods and rdas, but it really is a superb device.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
Your post made me think of something.
i wonder whether vapers would rather have regulations and standards to prevent these sort of things, or to keep the vaping market how it is? (virtually unregulated, but very profitable)
what say yee?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Adolin]
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Unregulated.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
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Probably the subox mini. I think it's probably the most solid starter subohm set you're gonna find. I trust kanger, they make decent stuff.
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Kangertech-SUBOX-Mini-Starter-Kit-Black-p/krsbk1.htm
You gotta get the batteries separately though. Go LG or Samsung. I dunno about the chargers they offer on that site though.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Adolin]
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Shroomslip said: You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
Your post made me think of something.
i wonder whether vapers would rather have regulations and standards to prevent these sort of things, or to keep the vaping market how it is? (virtually unregulated, but very profitable)
what say yee?
It has positives and negatives for both sides and truthfully I really don't know. The market is oversaturated with shit because just anyone can jump in and start doing it. But at the same time, a lot of the great stuff we only have because of this. So I dunno. For noobies trying to start, the magnitude of all the choices makes it difficult to find the right thing, which leads to people saying vapes don't work just because their vape didn't work. For people who know how to navigate, having that wide market not only keeps prices low, but it also really opens up the possibilities.
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For around $50 you can get an Ego One starter kit also. It's a cracking device for the price, I wish they had stuff like that around when I started vaping.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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Fuck that, egos suck. $50 can basically get you the Kanger Subox w/ a subtank which is far superior.. like $10 more.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism]
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Dude We recommended the same device!
Also, yeah, don't waste your money on an ego. Especially since you've got a budget that would allow you to get a real device.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism]
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Ego One is 3rd gen, not to be confused with the old Ego spinners. Sure they won't blow massive clouds like a box. But a large part of the change from smokes to vaping is habitual. Giving a smoker a big ass box mod often scares them. Having a smaller device is easier for beginners imo. Ego One's are fine for reliability and are enough to see a person until they know what they want out of vaping.
You guys seem to know more about new gear than me though, I've retired from watching the endless stream of same same repackaged gear.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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psh. the technology changes weekly. Temperature control is the latest.. next gen devices will have color LCD touchscreens.. shit maybe even slap a CPU and memory in that bitch and act like a phone where you can install apps that monitor juice consumption and shit. with wifi connectivity so you can auto order juice from your mod
That ego does look a lot better than their old shit, but still..eGo Subox is actually pretty compact though for a box mod. Fits nicely in the palm of even my chicks hand. My sigelei 150w is a monster compared to it. The subox is probably hands down the best deal right now for a cheap complete box mod w/ a tank for advanced and beginner users alike. Plus kanger is a badass company who people should support. Sigelei is also awesome.
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what say you?

I gotta agree. Feels like a novelty to me. My main issue with them is I find it unsatisfying, so I overdo it and it makes me sick. I'll get headaches and feel generally gross. I like the tobacco flavor they have, it's like vanilla marshmallow or something, but it doesn't remind me of actual tombacco.
I normally smoke 1 cigarette per day now if I am just doing my normal shit, which I think is not very addicted, but I could not imagine just toking a vape once per day. That doesn't seem satisfying.
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My buddy's supposed to be gettin' the new temp controlled Sigelli. Should be dope.
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what say you?

I gotta agree. Feels like a novelty to me. My main issue with them is I find it unsatisfying, so I overdo it and it makes me sick. I'll get headaches and feel generally gross. I like the tobacco flavor they have, it's like vanilla marshmallow or something, but it doesn't remind me of actual tombacco.
I normally smoke 1 cigarette per day now if I am just doing my normal shit, which I think is not very addicted, but I could not imagine just toking a vape once per day. That doesn't seem satisfying.
That was my problem. I tried vaping several times before I actually started. It just never had that "it" factor. Hell, I thought they were poison after getting sick from a cheap chinese cig-a-like I bought an ego and it really didn't do anything for me the first time. Finally, a buddy left his 150w Sigelli with an amazing custard juice at my house, and I hit it once or twice just for kicks. Next thing I know, I hadn't smoked all day!
So finding the right device for your needs is a big factor. Juice is another big thing. Even if the flavors nice, you may need more of a throat hit (like you get from a cigarette) PG VG blah blah blah.
Anyways, what I'm getting at is that vaping is completely customizable. It can be whatever you need it to be.
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I have the TC Sigelei (75w). I haven't used the TC a lot, but it is pretty awesome. You can take some ridiculously long hits on it. I plan to do some fused claptons with nickel soon, I really wanna see what a TC clapton can do. Just a single regular wire TC coil can get reasonably close to my dual fused .4 ohm claptons.
The only thing I don't like is the super low ohms of nickel coils. It kinda freaks me out to be vaping on something that's like .08 ohm
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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I tried the temp control, vv/vw box mods, squonkers and all sorts of stuff... ended up back at simple RDA's, gennies and tube mechs. Seems that they may be trying to fix something that isn't broken with all this "innovation".
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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I've not went any further than .2 yet, but I'm still a noob 
On a side note, have you seen the Fishbone RDA's? Me and a buddy were both gonna get one on payday. I've got to try one a couple times, and they're pretty dope. It's got a glass top, and is pretty pretty much a smaller Kennedy. Which is nice because I love the Kennedy's. I've got the Competition V2 and it's the best RDA I've yet to try.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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I'm a mech mod guy, too, man. I've got the Fuhattan and I love it!
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I gotta agree. Feels like a novelty to me. My main issue with them is I find it unsatisfying, so I overdo it and it makes me sick. I'll get headaches and feel generally gross. I like the tobacco flavor they have, it's like vanilla marshmallow or something, but it doesn't remind me of actual tombacco.
I normally smoke 1 cigarette per day now if I am just doing my normal shit, which I think is not very addicted, but I could not imagine just toking a vape once per day. That doesn't seem satisfying.
That was my problem. I tried vaping several times before I actually started. It just never had that "it" factor. Hell, I thought they were poison after getting sick from a cheap chinese cig-a-like I bought an ego and it really didn't do anything for me the first time. Finally, a buddy left his 150w Sigelli with an amazing custard juice at my house, and I hit it once or twice just for kicks. Next thing I know, I hadn't smoked all day!
So finding the right device for your needs is a big factor. Juice is another big thing. Even if the flavors nice, you may need more of a throat hit (like you get from a cigarette) PG VG blah blah blah.
Anyways, what I'm getting at is that vaping is completely customizable. It can be whatever you need it to be.
Yeah maybe I will get into it when I have some cash to spare. That's also kind of an obstacle. It's definitely cheaper than buying > pack/day but since I smoke so little it's hard for me to drop $100 on smoking in one go.
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Northerner said: I tried the temp control, vv/vw box mods, squonkers and all sorts of stuff... ended up back at simple RDA's, gennies and tube mechs. Seems that they may be trying to fix something that isn't broken with all this "innovation".
I only have it because I had to replace my last mod very recently. For kanthal it works the exact same as old mods, and it's not really any more expensive than them (or wasn't when I got mine, there were a couple of sites the regular Sigelei was cheaper on, but they were sold out). I'm a simple kind of person, too.
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On a side note, have you seen the Fishbone RDA's? Me and a buddy were both gonna get one on payday. I've got to try one a couple times, and they're pretty dope. It's got a glass top, and is pretty pretty much a smaller Kennedy. Which is nice because I love the Kennedy's. I've got the Competition V2 and it's the best RDA I've yet to try.
Nope. I don't really look at new vape equipment until I find a necessity to replace my old stuff. I have a baal clone, which was my first RDA and bought on a whim for cheap as hell just to see if I even liked RDAs. Once I discovered I did, I sought out a better one. Got the Mutation v4. I'll probably stick with this for quite a while before I even think of getting a new one.
Also if you get into nickel, you're gonna be doing less than .2 guaranteed. It does not have a comparable resistance to kanthal. Go to steam engine and put in your usual kanthal builds and look at how many wraps it takes to achieve it. I nearly shit a brick when I saw it. I was confused as hell.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22306186 - 09/29/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is my most used 10 last time I took a pic, got a couple of new RSM hybrids that fit right in with the line up now too.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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That's a pretty impressive collection..
I don't really have anything against mech mods, I just haven't really gotten into them. I like the ability to dial in a wattage. I'm sure I could use one safely and know enough to build around my desired vape, I just haven't. I'm kinda new to mods in general. I've been into them for about 3 or 4 months now.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22306257 - 09/29/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mechs are so 2014, Old school. VV/VW box mods are where it's at now.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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The only "replacing" it does is it's something to smoke. Inhaling and exhaling smoke is quite addicting,beside that people are addicted to the carcinogens in the cigs not the nicotine. Maybe a little of both
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I only smoke cigarettes when I'm hammered. I also lack the appeal to drop $50+ on a device so I can inhale blueberry flavored water vapor like a fucking little bitch. (I have better adjectives but you know...)
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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And I say this as a cigarette smoker
That said, any of these dork ass hipsters who jumped on the vape bandwagon because they think the shit looks cool...

To be fair, even us hardcore vapers hate those fuckers. 
Those people just need to piss off and go find some other bandwagon to jump on. It diminishes the vaporizers credibility IMO. I honestly want every single person who smokes to pick up a good vape and quit. Not because I think it's cool, but because I've seen how it can work and being addicted to cigarettes sucks so bad. It's taken us a very long to finally come up with some quit smoking aid that actually damn works. So I'll sing it's praise from rooftops if I have to.
No doubt, I agree that it's worth singing its praises in the cases where it's actually helping real ex-smokers stay cigarette free.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Niffla]
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i'm surprise WTA is only mention 4 times here. seems like the number one answer to me, although i haven't tried it yet.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Niffla]
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all the people i know with vapes including some on here smoke cigs from time to time along with the vape.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: 404]
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yea i go through times where i vape often, but honestly its a bit of a hassle to me if i'm busy and especially without a home to tinker with it in. car life...
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Uzziel]
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Also this.
Have you seen the massive fucking clouds of vapor they can produce?
Yeah. Cloud of tiny droplets of glycerin that will build up on every surface in your house.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: koods]
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not to mention the people who are so stoked about huge clouds either have very low nicotine juice and many time zero nicotine....
clouds don't really mean shit honestly. i would actually prefer it to be more invisible and so high in active alkaloid that i am inhaling as little glycerin in to my lungs as possible, as well as not being noticed by people around me
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: SurReality]
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the only reason i smoke cigs is cuz my vape was stolen and i can't afford a new one.
personally i hate cigs and they make my lungs feel like crap. this morning i woke up and felt like razor blades were piercing the inside of my chest and i could only breathe-in a minuscule amount of air. and also the nasty taste inside my mouth and nasty smell on my fingers that never ever goes away.
but i need nicotine to stay normal
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: SurReality] 1
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Cloud chasing is just a sport like cow tipping. Sure it's loads of fun for a moment, but that not really what cows were designed for.
I hear a lot of people talk about reducing nicotine in their vape but still vaping the same. A different concept is to increase the nicotine, but vape less. Makes more sense in a way.
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I hate vaping. I hate cigarettes too but smoking them once in a while can be pretty damn satisfying, especially if I'm drunk. Also smoking menthol cigarettes while high on MDMA is heavenly IMO.
Vaping just isn't satisfying to me in the slightest.
Pretty much everybody here hates the vaporizer except OhMrJohnson.
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Pretty much everybody here hates the vaporizer except OhMrJohnson.
Did you not even read the thread?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Alexestalex]
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Alexestalex said: I hate vaping. I hate cigarettes too but smoking them once in a while can be pretty damn satisfying, especially if I'm drunk. Also smoking menthol cigarettes while high on MDMA is heavenly IMO.
Vaping just isn't satisfying to me in the slightest.
Pretty much everybody here hates the vaporizer except OhMrJohnson.
Wow, I'm flattered that you would address me so directly
Regardless, your statement is incorrect
Lots of people here have switched from smoking cigs to vaping, definitely not just me, and people can attest to that
Furthermore the reason you hate vaping is because you either vaped out of a shitty device or you vaped shitty juice or some combination of the two
I can assure you that if you were to hit a real vape with good juice you would probably enjoy it and not think it sucks
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: koods]
#22309583 - 09/29/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I say you didn't have the right vape.
Also this.
Have you seen the massive fucking clouds of vapor they can produce?
Yeah. Cloud of tiny droplets of glycerin that will build up on every surface in your house.
That doesn't happen in my house at all and I vape like a fucking madman
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#22309590 - 09/29/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I smoked for 10 years and quit immediately upon getting a nice vape. It wasn't planned but just happened. Now even the smell of Cigs grosses me out. I took a drag off a friend's cig a year or so ago and that pretty much solidified that I'd never smoke again. Tasted disgusting and felt dirty.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: 404]
#22309614 - 09/29/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: all the people i know with vapes including some on here smoke cigs from time to time along with the vape. 
The thing that makes vapes such a good alternative IMO is how effective they can be
I smoked through a couple packs of cigs last weekend at the festival so I wouldn't drain my vape batteries really fast, I was kinda chain-smoking and chain-vaping at the same time all weekend
Ran out of the cigs a few days ago and haven't smoked a single one since, my vape literally makes it effortless for me to quit smoking, it satisfies me just as much as a cigarette
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learning sponge said: fuck these vaporizers nuttin' but gimmick bullshit..when im drinking i wanna light a cig wif that tobaccy smell..vapes suck ass compared to cigs
what say you?

I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 3 years and I was able to quit with vaping. So...different strokes for different folks?
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People need to stop stop generalizing vapes and saying they all suck when in reality only some of them actually suck
I mean come on people Shroomery has a whole forum dedicated to vaping, get with the program
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: SurReality] 2
#22309668 - 09/29/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: Cloud chasing is just a sport like cow tipping. Sure it's loads of fun for a moment, but that not really what cows were designed for.
I hear a lot of people talk about reducing nicotine in their vape but still vaping the same. A different concept is to increase the nicotine, but vape less. Makes more sense in a way.
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SurReality said: not to mention the people who are so stoked about huge clouds either have very low nicotine juice and many time zero nicotine....
clouds don't really mean shit honestly. i would actually prefer it to be more invisible and so high in active alkaloid that i am inhaling as little glycerin in to my lungs as possible, as well as not being noticed by people around me
That's what's so awesome about vaping. You can do whatever the hell you want. You like more nicotine and invisible vapor and lots of throat hit? Fine, vape high nic PG based juices. Vaping is whatever you want it to be pretty much.
For me personally, I don't like monster clouds to look cool or whateverthefuck. When I first started vaping on an ego, I was not satisfied with the piddly vapor output of 50/50 juices in a shitty clearomizer on a shitty battery.. I sought out higher levels of vapor production which led me to mechs and VV/VW box mods, and higher VG juices.. and with those.. and with monster clouds... I was satisfied. If I didn't seek out the better vapor I might have said fuck ecigs too and went back to smoking cigarettes. But cigarettes are disgusting to me now and a ridiculously expensive habit that slowly kills you. To me, vaping is superior in every conceivable way. You can customize it to the experience you desire.
I am thoroughly convinced that almost everyone who tried ecigs and it "didn't work for them".. weren't using the right combination of juices and devices that they need to be satisfied. Everyone is a little bit different and people want different things out of vaping... and you can have it. You just have to know what you are looking for.. and experiment. People want different tastes out of their juice. What works for some people doesn't work for everyone.
For people that think it's lacking "punch", try a high quality delicious WTA ejuice on a good quality vaporizor. You might change your tune. WTA juices contain all the alkaloids of the tobacco, so it's not just the nicotine, for people who feel they are "missing something". You want throat hit? High PG juices, lots of nic..certain flavors.. that will do it. You want to be fully satisfied? Get a good quality device from the beginning. Even if you spend $200 as an initial investment, you are fucking set for at least a couple years. I'd spend a lot more than that in a month of smoking cigarettes. But don't hate on cloud chasers. Different strokes and shit
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism]
#22309723 - 09/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I gotta agree on the cloud chasing thing. I don't go for the bigger clouds because they look cool, I just love the way it feels in my lungs.
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I vape for the flavor and the throat hit
Clouds are just a bonus
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#22309919 - 09/29/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't hate the cloud chasers who love clouds, fair enough, from time to time i'll pop in a low ohm dual coil and make some myself. But I do hate the fashionistas that are making clouds just because it's cool, not because they are substituting their smoking habit.
I really don't see vaping as a game or a toy and those who treat it as such endanger my legal right to vape by forcing the hand of beaurocrats to legislate against it... Just to stop idiots hurting themselves.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22309989 - 09/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I don't hate the cloud chasers who love clouds, fair enough, from time to time i'll pop in a low ohm dual coil and make some myself. But I do hate the fashionistas that are making clouds just because it's cool, not because they are substituting their smoking habit.
I really don't see vaping as a game or a toy and those who treat it as such endanger my legal right to vape by forcing the hand of beaurocrats to legislate against it... Just to stop idiots hurting themselves.
Couldn't agree more
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22310058 - 09/29/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I don't hate the cloud chasers who love clouds, fair enough, from time to time i'll pop in a low ohm dual coil and make some myself. But I do hate the fashionistas that are making clouds just because it's cool, not because they are substituting their smoking habit.
I really don't see vaping as a game or a toy and those who treat it as such endanger my legal right to vape by forcing the hand of beaurocrats to legislate against it... Just to stop idiots hurting themselves.
I can agree with this
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism] 1
#22310106 - 09/29/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What really grinds my gears is when people see me blow huge clouds and they think "Oh look at that douchebag blowing huge clouds"
Like those people can take that mentality and shove it up their asses
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Midnight_Toker said: Does a GOOD vape make a huge difference in reducing cigarette cravings? I have one but it only worked for a few days and then I think I wrecked my chance of quitting because I had a really stressful day one day and smoked a pack, and by then the the novelty had worn off so I mostly just continued to smoke cigs afterwards. Now I just hardly use it anymore.
Is it worth spending a larger amount money to try again? If it really does make a difference, how much does one have to spend to actually tell?
I hope I didn't ruin my one chance.
Do they run 'smoking cessation clinics' over there in Canada?
I get these>

On prescription, not that they are that expensive OTC. E-bay it.
I gave up a 30+ a day 35+year hand rolling habit overnight using them. There is no choice of flavours to get you sucked (NPI) into spending stupid amounts of ££'s by making a hobby out of it.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#22310650 - 09/29/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I like huge clouds but it's not for the sake of just blowing huge clouds. Bigger clouds means bigger throat hit and I love the throat hit. I'm sure through higher nic levels and what not I could achieve the throat hit with smaller ones, but there's a limit to that. 24mg in a pen just does not give me throat hit at all. Besides nicotine isn't cheap. Hell of a lot cheaper to use less nicotine and just vaporize more VG/PG than to use higher nic and use less VG/PG.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22310658 - 09/29/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Concentrated nic solution is actually very cheap
I'm still on the same $12.75 bottle that I ordered months ago and it still makes good juice
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: deucedbi9]
#22310664 - 09/29/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: Does a GOOD vape make a huge difference in reducing cigarette cravings? I have one but it only worked for a few days and then I think I wrecked my chance of quitting because I had a really stressful day one day and smoked a pack, and by then the the novelty had worn off so I mostly just continued to smoke cigs afterwards. Now I just hardly use it anymore.
Is it worth spending a larger amount money to try again? If it really does make a difference, how much does one have to spend to actually tell?
I hope I didn't ruin my one chance.
Do they run 'smoking cessation clinics' over there in Canada?
I get these>

On prescription, not that they are that expensive OTC. E-bay it.
I gave up a 30+ a day 35+year hand rolling habit overnight using them. There is no choice of flavours to get you sucked (NPI) into spending stupid amounts of ££'s by making a hobby out of it.
Dude those things probably cost you more than it would cost to run a vape
How much for a 6 pack of them? And how long will a 6 pack last you on average?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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Not as cheap as VG/PG. 1 liter of VG is like 4-6 bucks or something. Nicotine is like 10x more expensive than the other bases of ejuice.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22310703 - 09/29/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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vaping gives me a damn headache..my GF bought me a vape and i dont like it..plus she bought me nasty ass gummy bear juice
at least get me 'bacco flavor
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#22310734 - 09/29/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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OhMrJohnson said: What really grinds my gears is when people see me blow huge clouds and they think "Oh look at that douchebag blowing huge clouds"
Like those people can take that mentality and shove it up their asses
Or. If your in a public area, people with that mentality, through ignorance, will complain to the management, who, when they get fed up dealing with complaints, tell you to fuck off or shove your vape up your arse.
Discretion being the better part of valour, you are more likely to remain welcome in public spaces using your vape if you use a model that doesn't produce such vast clouds. If you don't understand that then you are just as ignorant as those you rail against.
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Yes, it does. For some anyway. I can't stand cigs now. They make you stink, because they stink. Also the taste isn't even good anymore. This is just IMO of them now. There's a lot of other reasons. With a vape you can taste all kings of flavor as well, menthol, you name it. I guess you just hatin' on the vapin'. and now I guess I'm just hatin' on the tobacco Satan whacko. Don't get it twisted.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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OhMrJohnson said: What really grinds my gears is when people see me blow huge clouds and they think "Oh look at that douchebag blowing huge clouds"
Like those people can take that mentality and shove it up their asses
Or. If your in a public area, people with that mentality, through ignorance, will complain to the management, who, when they get fed up dealing with complaints, tell you to fuck off or shove your vape up your arse.
Discretion being the better part of valour, you are more likely to remain welcome in public spaces using your vape if you use a model that doesn't produce such vast clouds. If you don't understand that then you are just as ignorant as those you rail against.
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OhMrJohnson said: Dude those things probably cost you more than it would cost to run a vape
How much for a 6 pack of them? And how long will a 6 pack last you on average?
They come in boxes of 36 cartridges. One tray of six now lasts me 5-6 weeks. On prescription they cost £8.20. Look up E-bay for your price in the US.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: deucedbi9]
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you guys all sound like whiny pussies. i just bought this gargantuan light-saber vape off a dude from craigslist who sounded a lot like you guys..
he was all like "yea i just ended up smoking the vape AND cigs, so i thought i might as well get rid of the vape"...
hah, loser... now i got this wicked cool space alien lookin shit i can get my fix on. i get to choose from hundreds of flavor options. oh and did i also mention it can vape thc oil? it can also vape thc oil...
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22310842 - 09/29/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I say you didn't have the right vape.
Oh for fucks sake here we go
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said: This is my most used 10 last time I took a pic, got a couple of new RSM hybrids that fit right in with the line up now too.

are you familiar with the term "addiction"?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: MajickMuffin]
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Yep here we go, me dropping facts and shit. I get that it's not going to work for absolutely everyone but a large majority of the people who say vapes don't work, you later find out the most they ever had was a pen vape, some only had Blu. THAT shit won't work. Blu does absolutely nothing at all and the pen vapes only hold off the nicotine withdrawal and take the edge off to keep you from killing people.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Yep here we go, me dropping facts and shit. I get that it's not going to work for absolutely everyone but a large majority of the people who say vapes don't work, you later find out the most they ever had was a pen vape, some only had Blu. THAT shit won't work. Blu does absolutely nothing at all and the pen vapes only hold off the nicotine withdrawal and take the edge off to keep you from killing people.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Northerner said: This is my most used 10 last time I took a pic, got a couple of new RSM hybrids that fit right in with the line up now too.
are you familiar with the term "addiction"?
Yeah, ummm. Lol. Compulsive personality. I've had far worse things that have taken over before.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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OhMrJohnson said: What really grinds my gears is when people see me blow huge clouds and they think "Oh look at that douchebag blowing huge clouds"
Like those people can take that mentality and shove it up their asses
a large bar/restaurant/arcade, a 'family' place recently put a restriction on vaping, a lot of people were upset about it but when some of the vape shop owners started explaining why it keeps happening and what it leads to, many decided to regulate themselves and other vapers. it really boils down to the inconsiderate assholes that decide that since it's less harmful than cigarettes they need to subject the world to their impromptu cloud chucking competitions held in establishments that arent vape oriented
overall, the industry has been regulating it's self fairly well
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Prisoner#1]
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the smell is too faint to notice and dissipates in seconds..
cig smell lasts forever
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Envix]
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Envix said: the smell is too faint to notice and dissipates in seconds..
cig smell lasts forever
many people say the smell is pleasant, all that people that dont vape see is huge clouds of 'smoke', bigger than what cigars or cigarettes produce so the smoking bias suddenly comes into play. there are people that fake coughs around vapers because they see no difference
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Envix]
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Envix said: the smell is too faint to notice and dissipates in seconds..
cig smell lasts forever
bullshit i get a insta headache in my room after GF vapes her juice..it stinks..it definatly doesnt dissapate..it smells..
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That's odd. The only time I've had people comment on smelling my vape it's always something like "that smells good/interesting, what flavor is that?". Most don't pay attention.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22311150 - 09/29/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: That's odd. The only time I've had people comment on smelling my vape it's always something like "that smells good/interesting, what flavor is that?". Most don't pay attention.
my brother quit smoking several years ago, we know how reformed smokers are about smoke and shit, he says it's pleasant as well. I think LS is trying to fake cough us into not vaping... I say fog his shit OUT!
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22311161 - 09/29/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's do it.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22311168 - 09/29/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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smoke a cig in the house... you can tell the difference...
days or even weeks afterwards
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Envix]
#22311218 - 09/29/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not like I go into hugely populated areas and blow massive clouds for all to see
That isn't the case at all, I'm pretty discreet about it for the most part, I wouldn't blow clouds anywhere that they might go in people's faces or whatever because I know how to respect people's privacy
But using that as an excuse to outright ban it is a ludicrous idea
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learning sponge said:
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Envix said: the smell is too faint to notice and dissipates in seconds..
cig smell lasts forever
bullshit i get a insta headache in my room after GF vapes her juice..it stinks..it definatly doesnt dissapate..it smells..
What juice is it
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