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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305694 - 09/28/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't gotten close to anything like that I've put in several hundred dollars though. I think probably around 150 on just juice making stuff (I'm up to like 70 flavors). Another 100 or so into coil building supplies. I also have a couple of tanks a couple of RDAs a couple of mods (though one is dying) and a bunch of old shit I don't use anymore like all the pen vape stuff. Minus juice I've bought and old disposable atty heads, I've probably put around 500 or so total into it so far.
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rackem said: at some point dont you think that its all a waste? find a setup that you are happy with and go from there? cut down on the nic levels and ultimatly quit it all??
I would quit but I know as soon as I do I'm just gonna turn back to cigs anyways. I'm addicted to having that throat hit. If I could smoke weed, I'd probably quit worrying about vaping, but it's the only thing that can provide it for me.
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why the fuck wouldnt you delete your cig habit?
i dont get it
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Adolin]
#22305713 - 09/28/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gresh said: unless your vaporizing tobacco leaf, no. its nothing like smoking a cigarette at all. but it definately can help certain people quit
i'm not one of the people apparently. i have a iTaste MVP 2 and Kanger Aerotank and never use them. its not satisfying at all and has a strong bite to the throat when you inhale
I think that still falls under the "you need to try a nice vape" category.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305726 - 09/28/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: rackem]
#22305735 - 09/28/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rackem said: at some point dont you think that its all a waste? find a setup that you are happy with and go from there? cut down on the nic levels and ultimatly quit it all??
Yeah, I've stopped the impulsive spending on new gear now. (as I've got enough stuff to last a lifetime) I've also dropped using flavours... Dunno if I'm ready to give up the nic yet tbh. It's not killing me like the smokes were, so I'm not super stressed about it.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305739 - 09/28/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can get nicotine free juice. Then you can't become more dependent on nicotine. If nicotine isn't an issue to begin with, shouldn't matter if the juice you get has none. Would be a hell of a lot healthier for you than smoking cigs.
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learning sponge said: fuck these vaporizers nuttin' but gimmick bullshit..when im drinking i wanna light a cig wif that tobaccy smell..vapes suck ass compared to cigs
what say you?

it's not quite the same but I quit smoking about a month ago and I've been using a vaporizer to do it. it's about finding the right atomizer and juice for you, it can actually be more satisfying at times
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305757 - 09/28/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
One of the beauties of ecigs is you can lower your nic level down as much as you want. If you are vaping more, you can lower your nic level. For example I started out at 24mg/ml of nic on a shitty device when I first quit.. that soon became 18
When I started sub-ohming on a dripper and blowing huge clouds all day.. I dropped to 6... then to 3.. now I'm at 1.5. Some people vape 0mg of nic.
The thing is that vaping replaces the cigarette "ritual" perfectly. If you are worried about nic dependency, that's nothing to be worried about with vaping. The nic level is all within your direct control.
Not to mention nicotine by itself isn't really all that addictive or all that harmful for that matter. It's about as harmful as caffeine... and has a similar effect. Read some of the extensive studies on nic in my sig.
It's all the other shit in cigarettes that is added that increases their addiction 5x more than nicotine alone. Many of them add in MAOIs with act as a potentiator for nicotine making it much more addictive. By itself, nicotine isn't super duper addictive, only mildly so.
In fact, that's the entire goal of vaping for many vapers. It's a tool designed to quit smoking. Many people get into vaping with the intention of dropping their nic levels down to 0 and quitting completely. Some people just enjoy the hobby / craft / enjoyment aspects of vaping and just stick with it as a much healthier alternative to smoknig.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305759 - 09/28/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: My problem with cigs is habitual. Its more of when im in my car and driving(which i do all day) ill light up a cigarette. Im not nicotine dependant. Hell, ive been on vacation for the past week and have smoked about 3 cigs a day. Typically i smoke a pack a day. Ive been smoking less because i havent been driving.
I feel like if i get a vape with nicotine i will not only be smoking(vaping) ehen im in my car, but also smoking when im home because its tolerable to do that indoors. I feel like that, in the longrun, will make me more nicotine dependant than actual cigarettes
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
Nicotine isn't really that bad for you, but the chemicals and tar in smokes is deadly. And somehow the vape isn't as compulsive and must have unlike smokes.
Kinda like choosing the lesser of two evils me thinks.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305767 - 09/28/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer tobacco over vapes but it's not the same reason that OP is complaining.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Acaterpillar]
#22305786 - 09/28/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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For people that prefer tobacco, I challenge you to try to a good tasting vanilla dark tobacco whole tobacco alkaloid ejuice in the right device and tell me it doesn't satisfy just as good. A lot of the "problem" with ecigs is the market is totally saturated and there's a lot of shitty devices and shitty ejuices. You really do need to find the right combination of good device, and the right kind of ejuice for you that totally satisfies. Those are the most important variables.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Acaterpillar]
#22305789 - 09/28/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I still like the smell of burning tobacco, but I feel nasty sick if I smoke it now. Tastes fucking disgusting, yet I didn't notice that for 20 years somehow..
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305813 - 09/28/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So people who vape...
If i walk into a headshop(i dont shop online) what do i buy for equipment and a tobacco juice thats comparable? Im not willing to spend more than $200, though
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Northerner]
#22305814 - 09/28/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i feel the same, but haven't tried whole tobacco alkaloid juice yet, so not giving up on vaping till i try vaping an actual tobacco product
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomism]
#22305831 - 09/28/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: For people that prefer tobacco, I challenge you to try to a good tasting vanilla dark tobacco whole tobacco alkaloid ejuice in the right device and tell me it doesn't satisfy just as good.
I see tobacco as a spiritual medicine, so I prefer working with the plant. I don't smoke it for the nicotine alone.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305837 - 09/28/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
IMO you want a good subohm tank, if possible with both replaceable prebuilt coils and RBA deck (this lets you build coils yourself) and a mod that goes to at least 50w. Replaceable batteries being highly preferred. Best advice I can give you is go see what they have to offer that fits this and then go home and look up reviews or ask someone who knows about the stuff to see if it's a quality piece.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305856 - 09/28/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
If i buy online and you have the opportunity to pick whatever you want for me that works out of the box under $200, what would you pick?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: JvF]
#22305859 - 09/28/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jfischer218 said: So people who vape...
If i walk into a headshop(i dont shop online) what do i buy for equipment and a tobacco juice thats comparable? Im not willing to spend more than $200, though
I wouldn't recommend getting your supplies at a head shop. They're usually overpriced and not so knowledgeable. Try to find a legit vape store.
As far as devices go, A lot will depend on what you're looking for, but I think I'm safe in recommending the Kangertech Subbox Mini Starter kit. Online, it'll run you like 80 bucks, but in person I've seen it go for as much as 120!
While it's not my favorite device because I'm into mech mods and rdas, but it really is a superb device.
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Shroomslip]
#22305861 - 09/28/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You're gonna get ripped off in a shop most likely. Their products also aren't standard, so one shop may have what we suggest and another won't. With juice it's even worse. You'd just have to try them out and find one.
Your post made me think of something.
i wonder whether vapers would rather have regulations and standards to prevent these sort of things, or to keep the vaping market how it is? (virtually unregulated, but very profitable)
what say yee?
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Re: vaping DOES NOT replace cigs [Re: Adolin]
#22305866 - 09/28/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unregulated.
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