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Casing cakes, awesome!!!
    #22304846 - 09/28/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I read somewhere that cakes shouldn't be cased.  Really??? Why? I just got fuckin' awesome first flush on these cakes.







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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: zatarra]
    #22304865 - 09/28/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I read somewhere that cakes shouldn't cased.  Really??? Why? I just got fuckin' awesome first flush on these cakes.



You read it on the internet, so it must be true?

We roll cakes in dry verm because it creates a better microclimate at substrate level that aids in pinning...this is the exact definition of a casing layer.

Now if you are talking about breaking the cakes up into a tray and then applying a casing layer, you might as well spawn to a bulk substrate...it's a tiny bit more involved but the results are exponentially better.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #22304931 - 09/28/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^^^what this guy said!^^^if yer gonna crumble and case you might as well crumble into a 3 dollar brick of coir, and double, tripple or quadruple your yeilds...

sweet flush though, those are the kinda results that convince a guy to go on craigslist, get a used pressure cooker for 15 bucks, and move up to wild bird seed and monotubs...


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: dinosaurcocks]
    #22305126 - 09/28/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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those are the kinda results that convince a guy to go on craigslist, get a used pressure cooker for 15 bucks, and move up to wild bird seed and monotubs...




Definitely.  This is the first time I tried a casing layer.  I thought I was just going to do cakes forever because it's super easy and I didn't have to learn how to do anything else.  But I really wanted to try something new.  I read some people saying it's not worth casing the cakes because you'll probably get the same amount in the end.  I'm not sure about that yet.  However, the shrooms that I just harvested from my cased cakes were much longer than the ones I'm harvesting off of the cakes in my other FC.  I think I'm going to end up with a lot more shrooms from the cased cakes than the uncased cakes.  We'll see how the next flush goes.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: dinosaurcocks]
    #22305186 - 09/28/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm highly sceptical that you could even double your yields by spawning cakes to coir, let alone triple or quadruple.  I've seen very few results on this matter.

I plan to make some isolate cakes with LI at some point and test it out.  Since I use grains, I haven't gotten around to trying it, since it's matter of pure curiosity.

The main advantage of bulk spawning is that you can use a monotub instead of an SGFC and add enough water to the cakes that dunking isn't required.  If you case enough cakes, you can also use a minimonotub.  Because of the excess casing between the cakes, it is also adding watermass just like a bulk substrate.

Nice job.  Glad to see good results from cased cakes.  If you case and have a contaminated caks, there's a good chance you can just cut out that area from the tray and still yield from your other cakes.  If you cheese great/crumble and spawn to bulk, you're boned if you have a dirty dirty muffin top in there,


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22305770 - 09/28/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm highly sceptical that you could even double your yields by spawning cakes to coir, let alone triple or quadruple.  I've seen very few results on this matter.

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:justno:
anytime you add more food more water and more surface area you are going to get more mushrooms only the BE is effected but that's well worth it
i'm yet to see that many pins on any of my cakes(that is one cake)

there is another(just about a 1/2 ounce)


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22306101 - 09/29/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i love that cup you have them growing in. :lol:


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22306124 - 09/29/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nice.  Glad to see an actual post of this.  How many flushes do you expect from those?

To me this is suggestive that PF cakes lack the water to even realize a single flush to potential.  I suppose this could be explored with different cake spawn ratios and finding if there is a massive diminishing return point.  I'm also curious to see results for "casing" trays with coir vs grate n spawn.  Even half a quart of coir might add enough water to get it done for a few cakes.

What variety is that BTW?


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22306158 - 09/29/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First is pe6 the second is a cambodian


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22306182 - 09/29/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Very elegant, those combos.  Swoopy parasols of happiness.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22306236 - 09/29/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i must log off ...high as fuck and aerows sig thingy is fucking me up and i may ban him for it which i know is not right to do but i'm on drugs so it isn't my fault, just the way she goes


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22306276 - 09/29/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

there ya go! :grin:


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22307312 - 09/29/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:i'm all good now...man i was waisted


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22307386 - 09/29/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lol yea i took a huge dab right before i read your message and was like "yeah me too" :lol:


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: zatarra]
    #22308320 - 09/29/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of casing layer did you use? Is it 60/40 coir/verm? Newbie here.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: hyacinth]
    #22316631 - 09/30/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm waiting for the second flush now.  I'm not sure if I added enough fresh casing layer after I harvested.  Take a look at this pic.  What do you guys think?



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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: zatarra]
    #22396807 - 10/18/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello all :smile:

I have 3 stalled cakes here at about 90% and if I don't fruit soon I'll have to toss them as I'm going away.

I think I'm going to crumble these cakes up and case :confused:

How do you think I should go about this??

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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Smoothcat]
    #22396823 - 10/18/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Hello all :smile:

I have 3 stalled cakes here at about 90% and if I don't fruit soon I'll have to toss them as I'm going away.

I think I'm going to crumble these cakes up and case :confused:

How do you think I should go about this??

Help appreciated, apologies for hijack :cool:



Birth the cakes, remove all uncolonized substrate from the cake, rinse, dunk for 12-24 hours.
Pick out a cup, tray, container. Crumble your cakes into the container and add a casing layer of your choice.
Then you will need to stick this container into a terrarium/SGFC to fruit.

If your new to this I would suggest you just dunk and roll your cakes instead of crumble/case. Because you may fuck up on the casing layer/sterility


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22396846 - 10/18/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quick response thanks :cool:

I've already birthed 2 that fully colonised and consolidated, the other three aren't going any further. (I've also got a monotub about to fruit which is looking pretty sweet :cool:)

So should I cut out the uncolonised sub before dunking, then crumble into a container, and put a layer of verm over the top, mist and then put into SGFC??

I need to get these fruiting otherwise they are going to get tossed.

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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Smoothcat]
    #22396861 - 10/18/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quick response thanks :cool:

I've already birthed 2 that fully colonised and consolidated, the other three aren't going any further. (I've also got a monotub about to fruit which is looking pretty sweet :cool:)

So should I cut out the uncolonised sub before dunking, then crumble into a container, and put a layer of verm over the top, mist and then put into SGFC??

I need to get these fruiting otherwise they are going to get tossed.

Thanks guys :tongue:



Yes I would do what you said. But when you cut off the uncolonized part, I would lightly rinse it while rubbing off ALL uncolonized parts. Because cutting it off doesnt sound like you would get 100% of it off.

Yea just cover it with verm


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22396868 - 10/18/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quick response thanks :cool:

I've already birthed 2 that fully colonised and consolidated, the other three aren't going any further. (I've also got a monotub about to fruit which is looking pretty sweet :cool:)

So should I cut out the uncolonised sub before dunking, then crumble into a container, and put a layer of verm over the top, mist and then put into SGFC??

I need to get these fruiting otherwise they are going to get tossed.

Thanks guys :tongue:



Yes I would do what you said. But when you cut off the uncolonized part, I would lightly rinse it while rubbing off ALL uncolonized parts. Because cutting it off doesnt sound like you would get 100% of it off.

Yea just cover it with verm






Sweet, I'm gonna get dunking now then and I'll be back with my results :tongue:


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22396883 - 10/18/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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To me this is suggestive that PF cakes lack the water to even realize a single flush to potential.




This is why its often recommended to set cakes with a big pinset into a saucer of water. The extra supplied water makes a huge difference,  yet all too often this advice will be ignored. Another thing to note is that we hydrate bulk to field capacity but a properly made cake is nowhere near field capacity.  Bulk by its very nature will have far more water. A pf cake by volume is a quarter water. Most coir verm mixes are a third to 40% water. That is a big difference.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22397175 - 10/18/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for that advice pasty, I'll have to use that when my cakes are ready and fruiting.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: blackout]
    #22397352 - 10/18/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thats awesome!

12 years old and still relevent!

Could you use only coir instead of his soil-looking mix?


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: blackout]
    #22397355 - 10/18/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How did you go about this? My attempt at casing my cakes didn't go very well. Help would be appreciated!


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    #22397370 - 10/18/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I remember reading that years ago when I was still lurking. Actually is the inspiration behind a project I am planning soon. Just made the first transfer from the spores for it this morning. Anyway nice link :thumbup:


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    #22397389 - 10/18/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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This is why its often recommended to set cakes with a big pinset into a saucer of water. The extra supplied water makes a huge difference,  yet all too often this advice will be ignored. Another thing to note is that we hydrate bulk to field capacity but a properly made cake is nowhere near field capacity.  Bulk by its very nature will have far more water. A pf cake by volume is a quarter water. Most coir verm mixes are a third to 40% water. That is a big difference.




Do you mean put them in a saucer of water in the SGFC? or just put them in one when the pinset comes? I've got some cakes on the way so I'd like to know!


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    #22397403 - 10/18/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes in the SGFC. When the pinset is in and if it looks dense, put a saucer of water in the SGFC and set the cake in it. Pour off any water not absorbed by the next day and then do it again.


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    #22397448 - 10/18/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is the plate of water an alternative to dunking a cake?


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    #22397450 - 10/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No. Always dunk the cake.


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    #22397458 - 10/18/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Could you use only coir instead of his soil-looking mix?



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Anno still is about but not posting, he was one of my favourite posters. He is not a credited TC but lots of the best older posters are not as its a relatively new thing.


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    #22397614 - 10/18/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the plate of water an alternative to dunking a cake?



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No. Always dunk the cake.



+1, cakes can be very dry, if you take a towel out of a tumble drier it may not take on moisture very well, it can just roll off it. Same with with a dried out potted plant, you can add litres of water and it can just run right through it. While if the substance is moist it can readily take on and wick moisture far better.


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Re: Casing cakes, awesome!!! [Re: blackout]
    #22397629 - 10/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, I see.

Good info guys. Thanks.


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