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Do you love your neighbor?
#22304571 - 09/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
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I fucking hate my niebors dogs and I plain hate a few of my niebors too.
I prefer to be nice but if they piss me off I'll tell the to fuck off too.
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What a bunch of shit, love your neighbor as yourself. When the shit hits the fan, your neighbor won't hesitate to come over and help himself at gunpoint to your food if he knows you have a lot of it because he was such a "friendly" nosy neighbor. He probably knows other things about your house and what's in it so that he can grab that too. Oh boy a generator. Wish I'd bought one neighbor but my family is far more important and I need to keep that food I looted from you frozen until we can eat it all.
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Love your horrible neighbor like you'd love your horrible self
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I feel that people are only approximately and superficially individuals in their behaviour, not to be separated from the conditions that gestated them and continue to do so. In this sense, I strive to bring as much compassion and patience to interactions as possible, in the hope of perpetuating the qualities I value and giving everyone the space to be unguarded.
I also study martial arts so I can neutralize an (animal behaving like an) asshole if I have to. I suppose it's about pragmatism. I'm lucky enough not to have been made a victim very often in my life, and I feel this relative lack of trauma has allowed me some freedom from reactionary tendencies. Not everyone is so lucky. But if I can find some peace and perspective, maybe they can too.
Love in it's general form is not specific to humans for me. They are particularly complex vortices in the wind. I am currently falling for a girl though, and find her rather a majestic outlier emotionally. Cute too.
I am prone to delusion, and so is everyone else. I sometimes try to remind us of this without losing traction and getting defenses up. I expect little of man, and so am rarely disappointed, but it does look bleak sometimes.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: DisoRDeR]
#22304826 - 09/28/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DisoRDeR said: I feel that people are only approximately and superficially individuals in their behaviour, not to be separated from the conditions that gestated them and continue to do so. In this sense, I strive to bring as much compassion and patience to interactions as possible, in the hope of perpetuating the qualities I value and giving everyone the space to be unguarded.
I also study martial arts so I can neutralize an (animal behaving like an) asshole if I have to. I suppose it's about pragmatism. I'm lucky enough not to have been made a victim very often in my life, and I feel this relative lack of trauma has allowed me some freedom from reactionary tendencies. Not everyone is so lucky. But if I can find some peace and perspective, maybe they can too.
Love in it's general form is not specific to humans for me. They are particularly complex vortices in the wind. I am currently falling for a girl though, and find her rather a majestic outlier emotionally. Cute too.
I am prone to delusion, and so is everyone else. I sometimes try to remind us of this without losing traction and getting defenses up. I expect little of man, and so am rarely disappointed, but it does look bleak sometimes.
Very thoughtful response, thank you.
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When I was most in Love there was no object. I always love my neighbor with a little l.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22304909 - 09/28/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience loving others has nothing to do with deserving anything. Acting this way or that has no influence of whether or not I feel they should feel positive emotions from someone else. I believe everyone should BE loved, whether they choose to act on reciprocal feelings or be an asshat is a decision on their part after the fact.
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I tend to view everyone as good until they prove they're not good so I think I feel the opposite of you but am alone most all my time when I'm not working so maybe I just believe in a lie I told myself years ago
I don't think you should hold your love so highly though. As much as you are careful in your estimation of primates, don't forget what you are.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: cez]
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you could look at it like a chicken/egg thing
If everyone simply by default loved thy neighbor would we be such a shitty race?
what actions determine a person that is "deserving" of love.
because someone is a shitbag do they really deserve to have more negativity projected towards them?
if someone is an depraved fuck could love have changed the course of their life a some point to steer it another way?
hate, disdain, isolation, sure can.
If everyone you meet is a mirror of at least a small part of you (whether you would ever be able to admit or acknowledge it), then shouldn't you be able to always be able to forgive yourself, and if not at least love yourself in spite of problems you may have.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: nuentoter]
#22307629 - 09/29/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: If everyone simply by default loved thy neighbor would we be such a shitty race?
Yes, I think we would. That is a major implication of my point. It wouldn't change any of the fundamental reasons why we are such a shitty race. I feel like the "All you need is love" stuff is completely superfluous. We're just the killer ape; nothing would change that. And your point is hypothetical anyway -- it is not a common behavior to love one's neighbor, and that will likely not change. Hence my comments above.
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DividedQuantum said: The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
I'm pretty much the other way round. I don't really give a flying fuck about humanity as a whole, I think we've disgusting creatures as a species who have squandered our gift for petty bullshit and I'd be happy seeing us removed from this beautiful planet.
However, I do try my utmost to show love and kindness to all humans I meet. I love lots and lots of individual humans and I think within each of us there is a kind and good person, regardless of how deep that's buried.
Regardless of the benefit it might have to others, I can say with certainty that living this way has improved my life significantly.
My feelings are pretty well summed up by this quote:
People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking. --George Carlin
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I was fine with my neighbors until the mother of 4 got drunk and started SLAMMING on my door babbling about things that made no sense, then the next day threatening to TELL on me (for god knows what ive not done a thing illegal around her or withing her line of sight lol) and other deluded diatribes, i realized we have a horrible issue in america with women thinking it's kool to spit out kids, sit on there asses all day collecting welfare and social security, while the rest of us feed that nasty cycle, dont get me wrong i am all for disabled folks getting disability, but finding a shithead lawyer to find loopholes in our federal disability policies to get a monthly check makes me really sad. I work to pay my bills, need to sleep at 11pm at night not hear her loud rap crap music for example. Until our societies/govt's realize how much this efffext us as a community it'll only get worse! rant over............i feel better!
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Jokeshopbeard said: I'm pretty much the other way round. I don't really give a flying fuck about humanity as a whole, I think we've disgusting creatures as a species who have squandered our gift for petty bullshit and I'd be happy seeing us removed from this beautiful planet.
However, I do try my utmost to show love and kindness to all humans I meet. I love lots and lots of individual humans and I think within each of us there is a kind and good person, regardless of how deep that's buried.
Regardless of the benefit it might have to others, I can say with certainty that living this way has improved my life significantly.
My feelings are pretty well summed up by this quote:
People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking. --George Carlin
I sympathize with Carlin's quote, and I, too, have loved and found to be beautiful many individuals in my life. However, I've found lately that I no longer separate individuals from human nature, i.e. that the whole of man is enfolded in all of us. And due to various experiences, and the simple passage of time, I find I am just unable to sympathize with very many members of our species anymore. Honestly, as Burroughs said, I'm not sure there's room for more than one will on this planet, anyway. When you get to two or more, it's over.
However I will also point out that I am as respectful, polite and courteous to people as I can be. I'm not some curmudgeon with others. But I find I just no longer sympathize that much with our species. I would like to, but I just can't.
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DividedQuantum said: The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
this. I am yet to have a roomate that I love. I love my family but thats because they are my family. Anyone I have had to live with has slightly pissed me off
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DividedQuantum said:Honestly, as Burroughs said, I'm not sure there's room for more than one will on this planet, anyway. When you get to two or more, it's over.
Can you point me in the direction of this please DQ?
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It is from The Job, a set of interviews interweaved by short pieces of William S. Burroughs. I was able to find the excerpt:
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You wrote: “I am not two, I am one.” What are the consequences of this unity?
I’ve spoken of unworkable formulas and possibly the most unworkable formula is the whole concept of a dualistic universe. I don’t think that there is really room for more than one person, that is, one will, on any planet. As soon as you get two you get trouble. Dualism is the whole basis of this planet—good and evil, communism, fascism, man, woman, etc. As soon as you have a formula like that, of course you’re going to have trouble. The planet is populated by various groups and their conditions of life are completely incompatible and they aren’t going to get together. It isn’t a question of their just getting together and loving each other: they can’t, ’cause their interests are not the same. Just take men and women for example, they’ll never get together, their interests are not the same.
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In the same interview, WSB said this, interestingly:
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Is love a solution?
I don’t think so at all. I think love is a virus. I think love is a con put down by the female sex. I don’t think that it’s a solution to anything.
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Pretty romanticized perspective of love. While I get what he means I think that love for activity or family and pets/friends kind of debunks the idea that it soley exists as a con. Maybe manipulated to con us in modern day sure, but love itself is an existing mechanism and if the implication is then that it as a whole mechanism is a con well I can't imagine the female benefits from that in anyway enough to call it such. I'm sure the female species doesn't relish the mechanism that caused males to 'fall in love' and what I can only imagine consisted of pretty-much-rape for eons of procreation.
If love is a con it's life's con not woman's con.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: Tropism]
#22308808 - 09/29/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I'm only quoting him, I don't necessarily agree with it.
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I've only fallen in love once, and after the curtain dropped and the show was over I realized that that love was always and only mine to begin with. That despite that other person helping to wake that in me, that love wasn't explicitly tied to them nor was or is it dependent on them.
That being said, do I love my neighbor? Naah. But I can use the love I can stir within myself to be a good person to them when I desire.
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Great reply, Raven Gnosis.
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I define Love a bit differently, for me it's the best version of myself that I can be. Every time I love it's better than the last time, it's infinitely intense like that. Some day I hope to be able to take in any stupid bullshit thrown my way, transmute it, and hand back Love. I'm doing this to work on myself. Sadhana etc. I want to be totally free.
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I guess the idea that love is the secondary in the equation is as alien to me as your feelings of love for your neighbor. For myself, I love everyone of you, honestly and whole hearted I can say that. This comes before any concept of who any of you are, saints or demons. I choose to love you all because it seems like that is the one thing that every person at the least should receive.
This is not to be confused with any notions of deserving anything, for earning anything, actions, words, or anything else that takes place afterwards. These are secondary things on the timeline. These cannot diminish my love because my love comes first just for being. Being an ass, or a psychopath only effect my level of personal approval of those actions of words. I maintain that there should never be any expectations of anyone else that is not you. Expectations are a system setup for failure.
I don't seem to understand how someone cannot love your fellow travelers in this journey just for being there with you. The default feeling that love is something to be held on to and guarded and then earned feels strange to me. Love feels like such a strong endless energy within that it should be given away at every street corner.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: nuentoter]
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nuentoter said: Love feels like such a strong endless energy within that it should be given away at every street corner.
Hah, indeed.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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The love that is taught in the New Testament is agapé, which is a matter of the will and has little to do with liking someone. Agapé is a warm but disinterested act of will. Warm, because one is not behaving in a cold, robotic way of simply 'following orders' (of God). It is not a religious obligation, it is an act of will, free will. This spiritual position defines one's moral compass or it does not. It is a Way of life or it is not. I prefer to affiliate myself with people who share this moral compass, but I do not belong to a religious congregation AS IF membership will somehow ensure a community of like-heart-minded individuals.
I couldn't stand my low-class next-door neighbor of 12 years, who mistreated his German Shepherd (which I gave daily treats to and offered to walk, which was refused). BUT, when his car alarm went off in the middle of the night on a couple of occasions, I ran outside in my Jockey-shorts with a heavy walking stick (no gun) because I intended to protect his property. I didn't think about it, I bolted out of bed because I knew that criminals were bent on jacking his car. They DID get his wheels on another occasion. I continued to dislike this man and his wife until they moved away one day without a word. He even lied to the buyer of his house that the dilapidated fence between our houses was my fence and responsibility, when it was not.
Nevertheless, my actions speak to a certain spontaneity of will that continually indwells me, although it doesn't manifest outwardly as constantly as I wish. The transcendence of the "natural man" is the "mind of Christ" or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in Christian theology. Comparatively speaking, it is Bodhicitta (heart-mind) in Buddhism. It is important to acknowledge the Transcendental when it overshadows one's human nature, but obviously, it is most important to cultivate its Presence for the sake of the transformation of self and world.
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I believe that I should love everyone- all the time. Even if they don't know/love me. Love ya man. Have a good night!
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Yes, well I am actually quite unselfish and compassionate in my behaviors with other people in my life. I just don't feel the love for my fellow man that I used to feel, and my insecurity about this led me to make this thread.
To both CosmicJoke and nuentoter: That is how I would prefer for things to be. It just isn't for me. And I can't in good conscience pretend to be something I'm not, which I what I would be doing if I said I was full of love and wanted to include others in it. I just don't see things that way anymore. It just doesn't feel right to me. I would have to hold man in high esteem if I were to love him, and I just don't.
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DividedQuantum said: Yes, well I am actually quite unselfish and compassionate in my behaviors with other people in my life. I just don't feel the love for my fellow man that I used to feel, and my insecurity about this led me to make this thread.
To both CosmicJoke and nuentoter: That is how I would prefer for things to be. It just isn't for me. And I can't in good conscience pretend to be something I'm not, which I what I would be doing if I said I was full of love and wanted to include others in it. I just don't see things that way anymore. It just doesn't feel right to me. I would have to hold man in high esteem if I were to love him, and I just don't. 
As I said, I'm just working on myself to make everything better than the last time, Buddha meeting Buddha, that first moment. I mean anywhere, from loving to brush my teeth, to loving a stop and chat with my neighbor, to having sex, of late it keeps getting better and better...... a shroomerite Asante indirectly helped me with that actually.
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As I said, the love that is required is agapé, compassion, dispassionate warmth. It is not for 'their' benefit, it is for your's. As you've disclosed, you've allowed yourself to become cynical and somewhat bitter. Consider helping others as you would a snared animal who might try to bite you even though you are trying to free it. It's like the vid I saw today about a man freeing a snared baby fox which he liberated, thanklessly, or another one of a fox (I think) with his head stuck in a jar. They take what they need and split, but YOU, YOU'VE acted compassionately without thought of reward. You've done what was needful in your local space-time corner of the universe. And what's more, it was an act of enlightened mind, compassion-in-action.
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Yes, I understand. I am already actually quite a compassionate person. In the case of the baby fox, I would definitely act that way, and go out of my way to do so. As I said in the original post, I am respectful of people and not unconcerned for their welfare. I just don't feel about them the way I feel it would be most appropriate to do. I dunno, based on what you have said, maybe I'm doing okay. There are lots of definitions for love, I suppose.
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Even among the various Yogas, I could not behave like a "Krishna-Conscious" Bhakti, singing and dancing, and chanting and expressing devotion to Krishna. No, I discovered that in the yogic idiom, I was "indirectly Krishna-Conscious," an "impersonalist," which my thick 1970s version of the Bhagavad Gita with colored plates illustrates as a meditating yogi with a small Krishna in my heart. In fact a guy from grad school once asked me how to get the Hare Krishnas to leave him alone in airports and whatnot. I told him to say this, and he actually remembered it (good memory, bright guy, but he became a lawyer): "I contemplate the plenary expansion of Vishnu in the lotus of my heart." This lawyer-to-be reported back to me that the Krishna devotee was stunned, silenced, and simply walked away. My point is that there is the Jnana yogi, the solitary realizer, whose path is naturally deemed inferior to the devotional-emotional path by the emotional-devotional types, but an Introverted Thinking type is NOT going to resonate with an Extraverted Feeling type such as those who populated the Krishna movement.
In other idioms, say Christianity, the exact same situation exists. Extraverted Evangelical Christians could not possibly fathom a Trappist monk, especially not an intellectual and ecumenical man like the late great Thomas Merton, who spent time with leaders of Eastern religions as his Asian Journal describes. Perhaps more to the point, if we are are a type who is not emotionally demonstrative, if we don't get all emotional, gushy, cry during movies, or express ourselves flamboyantly, there are a lot of people who will accuse us of not loving them, or of being a "cold fish." I didn't know how to keep a sick baby bird alive as a child but I tried. I picked up earth worms off the pavement after a heavy rain and put them back on the grass. These are acts of compassion, not overt manifestations of emotion. Want to see emotion, watch a Cuban novella on Miami Spanish TV. It usually has to do with lust and sexual jealousy, not love.
"4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." - 1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NIV
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Very nice, Mark.
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Just be the best person you can be. Be the change you want to see in the world as Ghandi says. You will find that if you get on a roll nothing can stop you especially not immature dipshits.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: circastes]
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By the way dividedquantum you're very high functioning despite your diagnosis. Have you considered college?
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: circastes]
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I actually have a bachelor of science degree in anthropology.
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The older I got the less I understood simply loving people and compassion as well.
I have great love for animals though, and insects (some people don't consider them animals). I will go out of my way to save a turtle or baby ducks.
But I truly could not find any reason to give a damn about people. Don't know why exactly but I just cannot. To me they are often a means to an end. I sometimes find myself laughing a bit at the suffering, kind of makes me think I'm crazy. But whether it's individuals or the race as a whole I don't care. They can kill each other off and I wouldn't bat an eye. I just tolerate their existence.
This whole notion of deserving love is also foolish to me. It's almost like you are owed it for some reason. But we aren't. The universe and humanity owes you nothing.
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I love my neighbor if they share there chronic
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I've always gotten along with my neighbors. I don't think it's that difficult. People don't seem willing to interact with each other on even the simplest level. How hard it has become smile at someone let alone to say "Hello." :/
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: hulahoops]
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hulahoops said: How hard it has become smile at someone let alone to say "Hello." :/
I hear that man, I often try and share a smile and it often goes unrequited. I don't think my general image helps much (tattoos, muscles, earrings, long hair and beard) but one would hope that the recipient of a nice smile would overlook such things. Alas! London doesn't seem conducive to such openness...
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But the person receiving the smile is apart from you, you can influence (which you did by projecting positive vibes) and hope for it to influence, but you cannot expect anything. Once you have expectations of someone else you should ask yourself if you are acting genuinely out of love which requires nothing in return, it is a one directional projection of positivity. When you expect a smile back it is a hope that your efforts are not wasted, or there will be some reciprocation to yourself. But if you smile and they walk by but later in the day that person smiles to themselves alone because of that silly looking guy with tattoos and looking hair seemed jolly. Then was it wasted? Will you ever know? Does it matter in this scenario? If it matters that you took the actions you did and made the influence you did, does it matter if you ever find out? Or does it simply matter that you tried and were earnest.
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hulahoops said: How hard it has become smile at someone let alone to say "Hello." :/
I hear that man, I often try and share a smile and it often goes unrequited. I don't think my general image helps much (tattoos, muscles, earrings, long hair and beard) but one would hope that the recipient of a nice smile would overlook such things. Alas! London doesn't seem conducive to such openness...
Keep doing what you're doing. I don't think it matters too much regarding one's appearance. I went on a hike last weekend and smiled and said 'hello' to everyone that passed by (for a while). This was met with an abrupt "Hello" back, zero smiles, and strange looks for endeavoring conversation in the first place. I decided to stop all interaction (after encountering this with dozens of people) and kept my eyes on the trail as a bit of a research project to see if anyone would speak to me without my initiatives. I passed a handful of couples, friends walking together, etc., and not one person spoke to me. Eyes averted, human contact avoided at all costs was the reaction I received to my small presence. I don't know. It's weird. Sad, even. I was alone. Normal looking? I think so. I understand the complexities and hardships of life, but if someone smiles at me, I am grateful to be in that fleeting moment of someone's kindness, even the simplest, smallest gesture from a stranger. I understand not everyone thinks like that, but I do. I mean, this wasn't a Monday morning traffic jam where most people are obviously in a bad mood. This was Sunday afternoon spent in the woods. People out and about enjoying nature...
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: hulahoops]
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hulahoops said: How hard it has become smile at someone let alone to say "Hello." :/
I hear that man, I often try and share a smile and it often goes unrequited. I don't think my general image helps much (tattoos, muscles, earrings, long hair and beard) but one would hope that the recipient of a nice smile would overlook such things. Alas! London doesn't seem conducive to such openness...
Keep doing what you're doing. I don't think it matters too much regarding one's appearance. I went on a hike last weekend and smiled and said 'hello' to everyone that passed by (for a while). This was met with an abrupt "Hello" back, zero smiles, and strange looks for endeavoring conversation in the first place. I decided to stop all interaction (after encountering this with dozens of people) and kept my eyes on the trail as a bit of a research project to see if anyone would speak to me without my initiatives. I passed a handful of couples, friends walking together, etc., and not one person spoke to me. Eyes averted, human contact avoided at all costs was the reaction I received to my small presence. I don't know. It's weird. Sad, even. I was alone. Normal looking? I think so. I understand the complexities and hardships of life, but if someone smiles at me, I am grateful to be in that fleeting moment of someone's kindness, even the simplest, smallest gesture from a stranger. I understand not everyone thinks like that, but I do. I mean, this wasn't a Monday morning traffic jam where most people are obviously in a bad mood. This was Sunday afternoon spent in the woods. People out and about enjoying nature...
Interesting. In my experience, most people reciprocate greetings and are pleasant when I meet them walking, in the city or out on trails. I'm often with my dog though--she makes quick friends. And I'm in a smallish city in Canada.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: DisoRDeR]
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nuentoter said: Once you have expectations of someone else you should ask yourself if you are acting genuinely out of love which requires nothing in return, it is a one directional projection of positivity.
It's not at all about expectations man. Perhaps I worded it wrong. I do it because I know how nice it is when others do it to me, and I want to spread positive energy in this world. It's more about this:
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hulahoops said: Eyes averted, human contact avoided at all costs was the reaction I received to my small presence. I don't know. It's weird. Sad, even.
I mean, it's hard not be a little saddened by the fact that this is the culture we live in. I'm not about to let it ruin my day, but it does smart a little when one makes an effort only to be stared at like a madman.
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It's definitely a location based phenomenon. Big cities are the worst for it, however I've been to may small towns in the UK which are as you describe.
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You should visit Portland, 2.2mil freaks who are so open... I walk down the street and make direct eye contact, stop and chat, that spins my whole day, surprise... am off to a pot luck dinner..... like I was fated to meet this person, or just chaotic serendipity, who knows? You won't experience such phenomenon unless you're open and want to smash through routine, if you're just an ant in a colony it will never happen... More and more I experience people who really get me, those who are just coauthoring reality together.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I will man. I'm intending to come the other side of the cold season!
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Mainers are cool and friendly.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: nuentoter]
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Yes, with all my heart!!
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