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DividedQuantum
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Do you love your neighbor?
#22304571 - 09/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
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I fucking hate my niebors dogs and I plain hate a few of my niebors too.
I prefer to be nice but if they piss me off I'll tell the to fuck off too.
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What a bunch of shit, love your neighbor as yourself. When the shit hits the fan, your neighbor won't hesitate to come over and help himself at gunpoint to your food if he knows you have a lot of it because he was such a "friendly" nosy neighbor. He probably knows other things about your house and what's in it so that he can grab that too. Oh boy a generator. Wish I'd bought one neighbor but my family is far more important and I need to keep that food I looted from you frozen until we can eat it all.
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Love your horrible neighbor like you'd love your horrible self
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I feel that people are only approximately and superficially individuals in their behaviour, not to be separated from the conditions that gestated them and continue to do so. In this sense, I strive to bring as much compassion and patience to interactions as possible, in the hope of perpetuating the qualities I value and giving everyone the space to be unguarded.
I also study martial arts so I can neutralize an (animal behaving like an) asshole if I have to. I suppose it's about pragmatism. I'm lucky enough not to have been made a victim very often in my life, and I feel this relative lack of trauma has allowed me some freedom from reactionary tendencies. Not everyone is so lucky. But if I can find some peace and perspective, maybe they can too.
Love in it's general form is not specific to humans for me. They are particularly complex vortices in the wind. I am currently falling for a girl though, and find her rather a majestic outlier emotionally. Cute too.
I am prone to delusion, and so is everyone else. I sometimes try to remind us of this without losing traction and getting defenses up. I expect little of man, and so am rarely disappointed, but it does look bleak sometimes.
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DividedQuantum
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: DisoRDeR]
#22304826 - 09/28/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DisoRDeR said: I feel that people are only approximately and superficially individuals in their behaviour, not to be separated from the conditions that gestated them and continue to do so. In this sense, I strive to bring as much compassion and patience to interactions as possible, in the hope of perpetuating the qualities I value and giving everyone the space to be unguarded.
I also study martial arts so I can neutralize an (animal behaving like an) asshole if I have to. I suppose it's about pragmatism. I'm lucky enough not to have been made a victim very often in my life, and I feel this relative lack of trauma has allowed me some freedom from reactionary tendencies. Not everyone is so lucky. But if I can find some peace and perspective, maybe they can too.
Love in it's general form is not specific to humans for me. They are particularly complex vortices in the wind. I am currently falling for a girl though, and find her rather a majestic outlier emotionally. Cute too.
I am prone to delusion, and so is everyone else. I sometimes try to remind us of this without losing traction and getting defenses up. I expect little of man, and so am rarely disappointed, but it does look bleak sometimes.
Very thoughtful response, thank you.
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When I was most in Love there was no object. I always love my neighbor with a little l.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22304909 - 09/28/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience loving others has nothing to do with deserving anything. Acting this way or that has no influence of whether or not I feel they should feel positive emotions from someone else. I believe everyone should BE loved, whether they choose to act on reciprocal feelings or be an asshat is a decision on their part after the fact.
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I tend to view everyone as good until they prove they're not good so I think I feel the opposite of you but am alone most all my time when I'm not working so maybe I just believe in a lie I told myself years ago
I don't think you should hold your love so highly though. As much as you are careful in your estimation of primates, don't forget what you are.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: cez]
#22305946 - 09/28/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you could look at it like a chicken/egg thing
If everyone simply by default loved thy neighbor would we be such a shitty race?
what actions determine a person that is "deserving" of love.
because someone is a shitbag do they really deserve to have more negativity projected towards them?
if someone is an depraved fuck could love have changed the course of their life a some point to steer it another way?
hate, disdain, isolation, sure can.
If everyone you meet is a mirror of at least a small part of you (whether you would ever be able to admit or acknowledge it), then shouldn't you be able to always be able to forgive yourself, and if not at least love yourself in spite of problems you may have.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: nuentoter]
#22307629 - 09/29/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: If everyone simply by default loved thy neighbor would we be such a shitty race?
Yes, I think we would. That is a major implication of my point. It wouldn't change any of the fundamental reasons why we are such a shitty race. I feel like the "All you need is love" stuff is completely superfluous. We're just the killer ape; nothing would change that. And your point is hypothetical anyway -- it is not a common behavior to love one's neighbor, and that will likely not change. Hence my comments above.
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DividedQuantum said: The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
I'm pretty much the other way round. I don't really give a flying fuck about humanity as a whole, I think we've disgusting creatures as a species who have squandered our gift for petty bullshit and I'd be happy seeing us removed from this beautiful planet.
However, I do try my utmost to show love and kindness to all humans I meet. I love lots and lots of individual humans and I think within each of us there is a kind and good person, regardless of how deep that's buried.
Regardless of the benefit it might have to others, I can say with certainty that living this way has improved my life significantly.
My feelings are pretty well summed up by this quote:
People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking. --George Carlin
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I was fine with my neighbors until the mother of 4 got drunk and started SLAMMING on my door babbling about things that made no sense, then the next day threatening to TELL on me (for god knows what ive not done a thing illegal around her or withing her line of sight lol) and other deluded diatribes, i realized we have a horrible issue in america with women thinking it's kool to spit out kids, sit on there asses all day collecting welfare and social security, while the rest of us feed that nasty cycle, dont get me wrong i am all for disabled folks getting disability, but finding a shithead lawyer to find loopholes in our federal disability policies to get a monthly check makes me really sad. I work to pay my bills, need to sleep at 11pm at night not hear her loud rap crap music for example. Until our societies/govt's realize how much this efffext us as a community it'll only get worse! rant over............i feel better!
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DividedQuantum
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Jokeshopbeard said: I'm pretty much the other way round. I don't really give a flying fuck about humanity as a whole, I think we've disgusting creatures as a species who have squandered our gift for petty bullshit and I'd be happy seeing us removed from this beautiful planet.
However, I do try my utmost to show love and kindness to all humans I meet. I love lots and lots of individual humans and I think within each of us there is a kind and good person, regardless of how deep that's buried.
Regardless of the benefit it might have to others, I can say with certainty that living this way has improved my life significantly.
My feelings are pretty well summed up by this quote:
People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking. --George Carlin
I sympathize with Carlin's quote, and I, too, have loved and found to be beautiful many individuals in my life. However, I've found lately that I no longer separate individuals from human nature, i.e. that the whole of man is enfolded in all of us. And due to various experiences, and the simple passage of time, I find I am just unable to sympathize with very many members of our species anymore. Honestly, as Burroughs said, I'm not sure there's room for more than one will on this planet, anyway. When you get to two or more, it's over.
However I will also point out that I am as respectful, polite and courteous to people as I can be. I'm not some curmudgeon with others. But I find I just no longer sympathize that much with our species. I would like to, but I just can't.
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DividedQuantum said: The feeling of love and caring for our fellow man is based upon a thought, and that way of thinking is quite alien to my own. I can respect humanity, and I can be concerned for its welfare, but I honestly do not know if I can ever love it. Man just does not seem to deserve my love, as he never fails to disappoint me emotionally. Primates are, in my careful estimation, just not very lovable animals.
Does anyone else feel this way? Or differently?
this. I am yet to have a roomate that I love. I love my family but thats because they are my family. Anyone I have had to live with has slightly pissed me off
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DividedQuantum said:Honestly, as Burroughs said, I'm not sure there's room for more than one will on this planet, anyway. When you get to two or more, it's over.
Can you point me in the direction of this please DQ?
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DividedQuantum
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It is from The Job, a set of interviews interweaved by short pieces of William S. Burroughs. I was able to find the excerpt:
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You wrote: “I am not two, I am one.” What are the consequences of this unity?
I’ve spoken of unworkable formulas and possibly the most unworkable formula is the whole concept of a dualistic universe. I don’t think that there is really room for more than one person, that is, one will, on any planet. As soon as you get two you get trouble. Dualism is the whole basis of this planet—good and evil, communism, fascism, man, woman, etc. As soon as you have a formula like that, of course you’re going to have trouble. The planet is populated by various groups and their conditions of life are completely incompatible and they aren’t going to get together. It isn’t a question of their just getting together and loving each other: they can’t, ’cause their interests are not the same. Just take men and women for example, they’ll never get together, their interests are not the same.
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In the same interview, WSB said this, interestingly:
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Is love a solution?
I don’t think so at all. I think love is a virus. I think love is a con put down by the female sex. I don’t think that it’s a solution to anything.
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Pretty romanticized perspective of love. While I get what he means I think that love for activity or family and pets/friends kind of debunks the idea that it soley exists as a con. Maybe manipulated to con us in modern day sure, but love itself is an existing mechanism and if the implication is then that it as a whole mechanism is a con well I can't imagine the female benefits from that in anyway enough to call it such. I'm sure the female species doesn't relish the mechanism that caused males to 'fall in love' and what I can only imagine consisted of pretty-much-rape for eons of procreation.
If love is a con it's life's con not woman's con.
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Re: Do you love your neighbor? [Re: Tropism]
#22308808 - 09/29/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I'm only quoting him, I don't necessarily agree with it.
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