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Stevefrench
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foraging wild grains for substrate ?
#22303706 - 09/28/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wondering if anyone has ever had success foraging wild grains/grasses for a substrate. I live in a rural area and there is a lot of stuff to pick around here ! ( gonna get around to wandering over to some cattle corn fields and such also in the next few days )
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22303829 - 09/28/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would only use grain for spawn, never substrate. But you can forage feild dried nuggets of horse poo And straw, get gypsum from old sheet rock.. This is the best substrate anyways.
Wild bird seed isn't my favorite spawn, but its so cheap its worth just buying that if you can find substrate for free
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Edited by mushpunx (09/28/15 04:29 PM)
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22303857 - 09/28/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you live near a field of whole grain or something of that sort i suppose you could gather your own spawn. However, they would be probably be someone else's grains and taking them without asking would be immoral. try finding out everything you can use for substrate and compare it with a list of what you might find near you live. i think that would be pretty cool if you found your own spawn and substrate, sustainable mushroom growing!
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Stevefrench
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this is exactly what im trying to accomplish , I do have some , please forgive me "spawn"" ive been purchasing ( wild bird seed ) but I would like to try and grow them sustainably and cheaply , from gathered and recycled materials
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22303964 - 09/28/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno man I think it would cost more to grow it than to buy,at the very least its going to be a lot of work and use a lot of space
Id recommend growing popcorn then I feel like you might be able to get a useable amount of spawn from a mid size harvest
But free substrate is available everywhere... straw and h poo man
A 50lb bag of rye will spawn about 20 tubs for me easy.. even if I spend 50$ on that bag because its expensive in the inner city... it works out to 2.50$ per tub... not bad if you get free substrate
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: mushpunx]
#22304102 - 09/28/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: I dunno man I think it would cost more to grow it than to buy,at the very least its going to be a lot of work and use a lot of space
Id recommend growing popcorn then I feel like you might be able to get a useable amount of spawn from a mid size harvest
But free substrate is available everywhere... straw and h poo man
A 50lb bag of rye will spawn about 20 tubs for me easy.. even if I spend 50$ on that bag because its expensive in the inner city... it works out to 2.50$ per tub... not bad if you get free substrate
im more concerned about it being "cheap" as in sustainable, by no means am I looking to profit from this mushroom venture ( heck already spent quite a few dollars anyhow heh ) but yeah great suggestion. will be preparing plots to grow my own grain/spawn next year ( popcorn being one of them , cattle corn , sweet corn , barley , wheat ect )
Ill definetley be looking for a few of those 50 pound sacks of grain next time I make it over to the feed store. anyone ever have success using rabbit manure ? ( from my understanding its a "cold" manure so it need not be completely composted before using for plants , not sure if the same goes for mushrooms ) will be getting some composted steer manure from a friend this week . I do not have any lifestock at this very moment, will soon !
thankyou for posting
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22304118 - 09/28/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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At feed stores you will find 50lb bags of grain dirt cheap, rye and oats! I pay a ton cause I get them at health food stores in the city
Do a search for it there were some good threads on rabbit poop I have a Flemish giant who poops a lot haha
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: mushpunx]
#22304196 - 09/28/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: At feed stores you will find 50lb bags of grain dirt cheap, rye and oats! I pay a ton cause I get them at health food stores in the city
Do a search for it there were some good threads on rabbit poop I have a Flemish giant who poops a lot haha
If you can, try buying grains on amazon. i get 10 lbs for like 4 ish bucks.
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I use Red Milo. The wasted bits get thrown out my window and I have discovered this week that it's now growing out there. I thought "maybe I should grow this and harvest to use as my spawn grains"... But then I thought of the work it would take, and since I can get it for $18 for 50lbs, what is the point. I would love to see someone do this, but the effort seems too much for myself. I would just find a feed store and pony up a few bucks.
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Spiracha]
#22304490 - 09/28/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spiracha said: I use Red Milo. The wasted bits get thrown out my window and I have discovered this week that it's now growing out there. I thought "maybe I should grow this and harvest to use as my spawn grains"... But then I thought of the work it would take, and since I can get it for $18 for 50lbs, what is the point. I would love to see someone do this, but the effort seems too much for myself. I would just find a feed store and pony up a few bucks.
- my 2 cents
that's super neat ! 
I plan on buying some 50 pound sacks from the local farm supply store but that said, I have access to seed/plant augers , tractors and have land to plant on. me thinks it would be a cool experiment even if not " worthwhile "
I noticed there is seeds popping out of my wild bird seed that I have pasturized and not got around to PCing . Love this hobby NEAT STUFF
Thanks guys
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22304514 - 09/28/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha yea I had a little rye farm in my backyard too.. only like 10 stalks but they grew about 3 feet tall and fruited
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22304525 - 09/28/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stevefrench said:
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Spiracha said: I use Red Milo. The wasted bits get thrown out my window and I have discovered this week that it's now growing out there. I thought "maybe I should grow this and harvest to use as my spawn grains"... But then I thought of the work it would take, and since I can get it for $18 for 50lbs, what is the point. I would love to see someone do this, but the effort seems too much for myself. I would just find a feed store and pony up a few bucks.
- my 2 cents
that's super neat ! 
I plan on buying some 50 pound sacks from the local farm supply store but that said, I have access to seed/plant augers , tractors and have land to plant on. me thinks it would be a cool experiment even if not " worthwhile "
I noticed there is seeds popping out of my wild bird seed that I have pasturized and not got around to PCing . Love this hobby NEAT STUFF
Thanks guys
now that you said that you should start farming rye, using it as spawn, selling it in bulk to feed stores, and making booze out of it. DO IT UP MY MAN!!
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CrentistTheBensis said:
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Stevefrench said:
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Spiracha said: I use Red Milo. The wasted bits get thrown out my window and I have discovered this week that it's now growing out there. I thought "maybe I should grow this and harvest to use as my spawn grains"... But then I thought of the work it would take, and since I can get it for $18 for 50lbs, what is the point. I would love to see someone do this, but the effort seems too much for myself. I would just find a feed store and pony up a few bucks.
- my 2 cents
that's super neat ! 
I plan on buying some 50 pound sacks from the local farm supply store but that said, I have access to seed/plant augers , tractors and have land to plant on. me thinks it would be a cool experiment even if not " worthwhile "
I noticed there is seeds popping out of my wild bird seed that I have pasturized and not got around to PCing . Love this hobby NEAT STUFF
Thanks guys
now that you said that you should start farming rye, using it as spawn, selling it in bulk to feed stores, and making booze out of it. DO IT UP MY MAN!!
Hell yeah !!!
( that said I am also a hobby distiller/brewer have been since I was a kid ) so glad I registered here, yall are great <3 cant thank yall enough
also now that im currently putting up a greenhouse the sky is the limit in terms of propagating anything that cant be planted directly in the field.
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: mushpunx]
#22304600 - 09/28/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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CrentistTheBensis said: now that you said that you should start farming rye, using it as spawn, selling it in bulk to feed stores, and making booze out of it. DO IT UP MY MAN!!
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Stevefrench
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I aint got it in me to steal , besides the fact it aint right. most farmers are more than happy to let a passerby pick some corn for ornamental usage or whatever considering they have hundreds of acres. that said a six pack and a few kind words can get you almost anything here heh. as for foraging straw does it gotta be any special kind?
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Re: foraging wild grains for substrate ? [Re: Stevefrench]
#22306699 - 09/29/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The price of a sixpack will get you a 20lbs bag of birdseed.
Might as well grow rye. Then when it gets ergot...
You can have an annoying bag of toxic ergot rye sitting around for years while you learn about organic chemistry.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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hehehe =]
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