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Gyleveidys
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Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth
#22301391 - 09/28/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yesterday (09.27) I was very happy to discover P. Semilanceata in a nextdoor meadow where the cows graze from time to time. Previously I would make ~200 km ride to a spot where those mushies are known to grow in Lithuania. While my meadow seemed to be a typical semilanceata habitat according to most of the sources, I kept being told by the knowledgeable folks that it is only in that far away area that those mushrooms are growing in my country.
What I have found is 3 little spots in a several hectare meadow with 9, 4 and 12 mushrooms. The first and the third spot has them all growing in bunch side by side, while in the second spot shrooms are growing somewhat scattered and lonesome with 10-15 cm distances between them. In the last picture attached you can see the fruits picked from 1,2 and 3rd spot accordingly (left to right).
I wonder whether someone has investigated ways of boosting semilanceata growth and/or potency in their natural habitat. Since the discovered spot happens to be on the land I own and is located in extreme proximity to my house I am willing to do much experimentation on the topic, hence all your comments/suggestions are very welcome!



Edited by Gyleveidys (09/28/15 05:09 AM)
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22319109 - 10/01/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What city in lithuania did you find these? i have visited lithuania a couple times, one time in klaipeda and one time in vilnius. after driving through the whole countryside i would think that theyd grow everywhere since cows graze alot of farm land.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: joganb] 1
#22319556 - 10/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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put spores in the cows water...if there are cows that is
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: joganb]
#22321836 - 10/02/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is in between Vilnius and Klaipeda i.e. central part of the country. Funny thing is, that up till this discovery all 3 personal references I had for growing area of libs in Lithuania directed me to North Eastern part of the country. It was somewhat strange for me versed in botany, to think that this place might be somehow special for the libs to grow, when it shouldn't be. So this find was kind of a small discovery which proved that they are also growing in other parts of the country, meaning, hell yes, they could be growing here everywhere.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22321845 - 10/02/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is plenty of cows and I have taken several spore prints of these finds. What precisely do you mean by cow water and putting spores into it?
I'm thinking about simply taking some of the mycelium from the outside indoors and multiplying it throughout the winter, instead of growing completely new culture from the spores. How does that sound to you?
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22321848 - 10/02/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can go that route but i'll tell ya now it's a very slow growing mycelium and you would need extreme sterile procedures to be taken, if the cows have a water trough around put a whack of spores in this is how they are spread natually, this way you still have a good shot if your indoor myc expansion fails
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22322132 - 10/02/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Welcome Gyleveidys. Isn't it surprising how little info there is here about outdoor growing? I'm assuming that you were looking for tips on fertilizer regimens, supplemental watering, artificial mycelium spreading, beneficial planting/weeding, ideal amounts of sunlight, etc. I think there simply aren't many people who know. Good luck and please post your successes and failures.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: SmOakland]
#22322178 - 10/02/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SmOakland said: Welcome Gyleveidys. Isn't it surprising how little info there is here about outdoor growing? I'm assuming that you were looking for tips on fertilizer regimens, supplemental watering, artificial mycelium spreading, beneficial planting/weeding, ideal amounts of sunlight, etc. I think there simply aren't many people who know. Good luck and please post your successes and failures.
The reason there is less info on outdoor growing is because growing outdoors is a pretty simple process. As stated above it can be as easy as putting spores in a water trough. If you wanted to up the complexity you could make your own spawn. But outdoors is very forgiving and there are some species that outdoors is essential for a good result.
FYI things like fertilizer regimens or planting/weeding don't really apply. This isn't a plant. Best to understand that early.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22322295 - 10/02/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Putting spores into a water trough is a fancy idea I haven't considered before. Have you tried it personally, or is it just a theoretical assumption? It seems an attractive feat for an outdoor cultivation!
How much of a consideration sterility of a spore print/syringe would be in this case? The whole procedure of spreading the spores would be natural, meaning that once the spores would get into a water trough and subsequently into a cow's tummy, they would enter the environment far from sterile. Does that still make sense to take care of a spore print and syringe procedures' sterility then or is it sufficient to make a hassle-free sporeprint and eject it into a cattle water supply?
Edited by Gyleveidys (10/02/15 06:53 AM)
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22323190 - 10/02/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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spores in the water trough is a tried and proven method we need sterile procedures for indoors(you can try a syringe but expect some contams) but outdoors ya just let mother nature do her thing
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22323728 - 10/02/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome! I really adore this "natural farming" approach and looking forward to try it out.
Any suggestions where I can read up more on this? I wonder what would be the best time to inoculate the water with the spores and other practicalities which might be important.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22324172 - 10/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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put cows in the search bar posted by rogerrabbit
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22324185 - 10/02/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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or cow fields rather
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22324190 - 10/02/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: cronicr]
#22326937 - 10/03/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've checked the threads, thanks! The question is whether P. Semilanceata spores do need to pass through a cattle's tummy in order to germinate (water through method). Or could one put some caps under a cow pies, instead, as is suggested for P. Cubensis propagation in the climes where they occur naturally and hope for the same results?
Edited by Gyleveidys (10/03/15 05:35 AM)
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Gyleveidys]
#22328623 - 10/03/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it would work the same
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22329254 - 10/03/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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SmOakland said: Welcome Gyleveidys. Isn't it surprising how little info there is here about outdoor growing? I'm assuming that you were looking for tips on fertilizer regimens, supplemental watering, artificial mycelium spreading, beneficial planting/weeding, ideal amounts of sunlight, etc. I think there simply aren't many people who know. Good luck and please post your successes and failures.
The reason there is less info on outdoor growing is because growing outdoors is a pretty simple process. As stated above it can be as easy as putting spores in a water trough. If you wanted to up the complexity you could make your own spawn. But outdoors is very forgiving and there are some species that outdoors is essential for a good result.
FYI things like fertilizer regimens or planting/weeding don't really apply. This isn't a plant. Best to understand that early.
Actually, fertilizing will probably increase his yields. Nitrogen is probably a limiting factor on growth and fruit production. Planting nitrogen fixing plants to strategically add shade and fertility to the soil could also be beneficial. It seems that many people are of the opinion that nitrogen will also increase the potency of mushrooms produced. OP posted asking for advice on boosting growth. He hasn't really gotten much.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: SmOakland]
#22329341 - 10/03/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SmOakland said:
OP posted asking for advice on boosting growth. He hasn't really gotten much.
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: SmOakland] 1
#22329925 - 10/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SmOakland said:
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Pastywhyte said:
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SmOakland said: Welcome Gyleveidys. Isn't it surprising how little info there is here about outdoor growing? I'm assuming that you were looking for tips on fertilizer regimens, supplemental watering, artificial mycelium spreading, beneficial planting/weeding, ideal amounts of sunlight, etc. I think there simply aren't many people who know. Good luck and please post your successes and failures.
The reason there is less info on outdoor growing is because growing outdoors is a pretty simple process. As stated above it can be as easy as putting spores in a water trough. If you wanted to up the complexity you could make your own spawn. But outdoors is very forgiving and there are some species that outdoors is essential for a good result.
FYI things like fertilizer regimens or planting/weeding don't really apply. This isn't a plant. Best to understand that early.
Actually, fertilizing will probably increase his yields. Nitrogen is probably a limiting factor on growth and fruit production. Planting nitrogen fixing plants to strategically add shade and fertility to the soil could also be beneficial. It seems that many people are of the opinion that nitrogen will also increase the potency of mushrooms produced. OP posted asking for advice on boosting growth. He hasn't really gotten much.
Nitrogen is fine. But it needs to be bioavailable. Plant ferts simply added ain't going to do much for them. Nitrogen is best applied via things like chix poo, worm castings, coffee, etc. Large amounts of nitrogen will also make for a hot substrate.
Also there is not a shred of evidence that I have seen that indicates additional nitrogen increases potency. So far nearly every study I have seen on alkaloid producing fungi suggest that genetics is ultimately a limiting factor and that simply adding nitrogen does not mean it can be utilized by a given culture. I have grown very potent mushrooms with simple grain spawned to coir. Despite what a lot of people hope, genetics trumps food supply.
That takes care of nitrogen. Do you care to discuss the pros of bottom watering and the limits pressure places on filament fungal networks. Or should we discuss weeding?
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Re: Boosting wild P.Semilanceata growth [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22330937 - 10/03/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Discuss whatever you think would help Gyleveidys increase his yields. I'm quite curious myself.
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