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just_curious
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Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right!
#22300434 - 09/27/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, I'm going to give cultivating a shot. This will be my first grow so let me know if I'm wrong, or if there's anything you would add to, or give advice on.
So basically I get mason jars, vermiculite, and brown rice flour. Put 2-4 holes in the mason jar lids, mix the brf with the vermiculite, put it in the mason jars, pack a casing layer of vermiculite on top, set the lid on them, and then boil or pressure cook them for around 1.5 hours. Once they're done boiling, allow them to cool over night. Once cooled, I flame the syringe, then inject 1/4-1/2 cc of spores in the substrate through the holes.
Then wait 3-4 weeks for the mycelium to completely cover the substrate. Then the cakes are ready.
Since I want to do a bulk grow, I need to get dried manure, and boil it. Once it is boiled, ring it out. Add it to a Rubbermaid tub. Take the brf cakes, put them in a ziplock bag, and crumble them up. Add the crumbles to the manure, cover it with another casing layer, and cover it with a lid with holes in it. Wait another 1-2 weeks for it to be completely covered in mycelium, then fruit it. Add holes to the sides of the Rubbermaid, mist it 3-5 times a day, fan 1-2 times a day, and keep it on a 12 hour on/12 hour off da light light spectrum cycle. Lastly, harvest.
Am I on the right track?
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300442 - 09/27/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Might as well just start with grains, CVG, and a monotub.
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300476 - 09/27/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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just_curious said: So, I'm going to give cultivating a shot. This will be my first grow so let me know if I'm wrong, or if there's anything you would add to, or give advice on.
So basically I get mason jars, vermiculite, and brown rice flour. Put 2-4 holes in the mason jar lids, mix the brf with the vermiculite, put it in the mason jars, pack a casing layer of vermiculite on top, set the lid on them, and then boil or pressure cook them for around 1.5 hours. Once they're done boiling, allow them to cool over night. Once cooled, I flame the syringe, then inject 1/4-1/2 cc of spores in the substrate through the holes.
Then wait 3-4 weeks for the mycelium to completely cover the substrate. Then the cakes are ready.
Since I want to do a bulk grow, I need to get dried manure, and boil it. Once it is boiled, ring it out. Add it to a Rubbermaid tub. Take the brf cakes, put them in a ziplock bag, and crumble them up. Add the crumbles to the manure, cover it with another casing layer, and cover it with a lid with holes in it. Wait another 1-2 weeks for it to be completely covered in mycelium, then fruit it. Add holes to the sides of the Rubbermaid, mist it 3-5 times a day, fan 1-2 times a day, and keep it on a 12 hour on/12 hour off da light light spectrum cycle. Lastly, harvest.
Am I on the right track?
Assuming you know you need water in the sub.
Definitely need 4 holes. I would recommend silicon injection ports and a tvyek filter patch or gas exchange, but the the 4 holes and verm barrier will work.
Make sure you get wide mouths half pints. Do not attempt PF cakes over 1 cup with spore inoculant.
The top layer of vermiculite acts as a filter not a casing. Spores and bacteria falling through the inejection holes land on non-nutritious vermiculite and don't do shit.
You don't need poo. Coco Coir (as sold at pet shops for reptile bedding is a fine bulk substrate and almost impossible to fuck up, unlike poo which needs to be properly pasteurized. Straight coir is fine, should cost under 3$ to be enough for two tubs.
Grating or blending the PF cakes is prefered by most PF-->Bulk growers at this point I think. They say the crumbling damages the mycellium by squishing it. I can't say that I know one way or the other.
YOu probably want a clear sterilite tub. Look up mini monotub designs. It requires no misting or fanning. Also you do not need a casing layer with coir.
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300478 - 09/27/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tubs are way simple and easy as long as you have a proper pressure cooker
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22300482 - 09/27/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: mrbart4444]
#22300650 - 09/27/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mrbart4444 said: tubs are way simple and easy as long as you have a proper pressure cooker

Aint that the truth!! Great job man!
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22300669 - 09/27/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would it be better for me to just dunk the cakes and keep them in a tub? I mean, would it still produce a lot if I put say, 10 cakes in a tub. Lined the bottom with perlite an just set them in there?
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300678 - 09/27/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely. Dunk all your cakes. Make sure the perlite is properly hydrated. I hate when it dries out mid-fruiting.
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300681 - 09/27/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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just_curious said: Would it be better for me to just dunk the cakes and keep them in a tub? I mean, would it still produce a lot if I put say, 10 cakes in a tub. Lined the bottom with perlite an just set them in there?
yea you gotta make a sgfc though. Mist and fan. Cakes arent really for beginners.
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: mrbart4444]
#22300778 - 09/27/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? I thought the cakes sounded easier. Make a fruiting chamber, line the bottom with hydrated perlite, knock the cakes out of the mason jars, fruit, and harvest.
The bulk grow seemed more confusing with "pasteurize this, lay down that, crumble The cakes, throw them into the bulk substrate, wait 2 weeks, yadayada"
Am I missing something?
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22300812 - 09/27/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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just_curious said: The bulk grow seemed more confusing with "pasteurize this, lay down that, crumble The cakes, throw them into the bulk substrate, wait 2 weeks, yadayada"
Am I missing something?
Sounds pretty simple to me 
I mean you can "bucket tek" your coir, that would be a lot easier than pasteurization, which is mostly reserved for poo-based substrates and added nutrients.
And making grain jars are soo simple. Just head out to your local feed store, and get some quality whole oats, and follow a good tek. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21121313/fpart/all/vc/1 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21029762/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/9 Also, shred your cakes through a cheese grater if you plan to go to bulk. It'll speed up the process immensely
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22301111 - 09/28/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fruiting method for straight cakes has more potential for human error.
The real point of cakes is that you can make them without a sterile workspace or pressure cooker and grow a small quantity.
Cakes to a mini-mono would be a decent way to go. Again, I'd use Self Healing Silicon Injection Ports instead of a verm barrier.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: just_curious]
#22301145 - 09/28/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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just_curious said: Really? I thought the cakes sounded easier. Make a fruiting chamber, line the bottom with hydrated perlite, knock the cakes out of the mason jars, fruit, and harvest.
The bulk grow seemed more confusing with "pasteurize this, lay down that, crumble The cakes, throw them into the bulk substrate, wait 2 weeks, yadayada"
Am I missing something?
It may seem like more work but let me put it like this.... A sgfc cake grow of lets say 12 cakes will require your cakes,the 66 qt tub,perlite,something to make the holes, a mister and maintenance....
Now you need to make 1/4 inch holes spaced 2 inches apart on all 6 sides(this part sucks). Once that is ready you need to consolidate your cakes for at least a week then get your 4_6 inches of perlite in which may cost ya 15 or more dollars then dunk roll and mist as needed....
But now lets smile ay you decide to spawn those cakes to a 27 qt mono tub.... All you need is 6 holes rather then a couple hundred a sgfc would need....the bulk needed would be half as much as perlite a sgfc would need and cost a fraction of the price......in the one week your cakes would be consolidating your mono could be colonized and ready to fruit....no need to mist and you now have more food more water more surface area with no maintenance for less cost and will get more mushrooms......hmmmm
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Re: Growing cubes...I want to make sure I do this right! [Re: cronicr]
#22301157 - 09/28/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have a pressure cooker and a little time to do some reading...^^^that shit is gospel.
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