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Why are motorcycles legal? 2
#22299572 - 09/27/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont have anything against motorcycles but I dont see why they are legal to drive for safety reasons. It's a law that you have to wear a seat belt when being inside a car whether you're the driver or a passanger, but they just let people drive an unenclosed vehicle with zero safety features? I dont think motorcyclists are even required to wear a helmet! Shit is strange to me
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife] 2
#22299579 - 09/27/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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helmets are not decided on a federal level, that is handled at a state level.
and why wouldnt they be? its actually a more efficient type of transportation.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: rackem]
#22299583 - 09/27/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Efficiency should not trump safety though... I guess the better question is, Why are people required by law to wear seat belts if there are way more unsafe vehicles with no safety restraints?
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife] 2
#22299655 - 09/27/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are people required by law to wear seat belts if there are way more unsafe vehicles with no safety restraints?
???????????? = seatbelt laws = profit
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22299658 - 09/27/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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also the seat belt laws would have never passed if that made bikes illegal at the same time, and that's what they would have done because if you put a seatbelt on a bike you are going to kill a bunch of people when they crash
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22299853 - 09/27/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What he's saying is that seatbelt laws seem like a double standard considering the fact that people are allowed to ride motorcycles at all.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing]
#22299866 - 09/27/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm trying to figure out what kind of government lets people cross streets without police escort. That's what we should be discussing.
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So no to seatbelt laws?
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#22299890 - 09/27/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Motorcycles are a form of population control.
I'm a huge advocate of the general population thinning itself out due to stupidity and dangerously fast machines.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Detached] 1
#22299911 - 09/27/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Detached said: Motorcycles are a form of population control.
I'm a huge advocate of the general population thinning itself out due to stupidity and dangerously fast machines.
im gonna go out on a limb here and say that motorcycles are not for people like you.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Kinko]
#22299930 - 09/27/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm more of a moped guy. Always wear a helmet.
Safety first.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Detached] 1
#22299954 - 09/27/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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why would anyone feel the government should be able to tell me I can't ride a motorcycle because I might hurt myself?
Seat belt laws are money, simple as that. So are helmet laws. The government doesn't give a fuck about any of us.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#22299967 - 09/27/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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E.R personnel call them "donorcycles".
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Quote:
luvdemboomers said: why would anyone feel the government should be able to tell me I can't ride a motorcycle because I might hurt myself?
Seat belt laws are money, simple as that. So are helmet laws. The government doesn't give a fuck about any of us.
WHAT HE SAID!!!!^^^ this thread is bogus. I was just whipping my scooter around all day today it was a blast brother!!!!!! Highly recommend for anyone who wants to have a fun time!! get a motorcycle or scooter for starters!!
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Kinko]
#22299986 - 09/27/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I felt WAY more comfortable on my bike than I did in my vehicle. Turns better, stops better, accelerates out of potential situations with ease, etc etc... If someone wants to ride they know the risk. If we end up slung off our bike because granny didn't know a stop side was a red octagon with four bright white letters on it that's usually placed on roads where other cars cross perpendicular, that's our problem, we knew the risk... Mature riders know this. On a more serious note, why can that same Granny buy a 45ft+ motor home and drive it on state roads without getting a CDL or any sort of license enhancement? Now that's a topic worthy of legislation.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Higher Love] 1
#22300177 - 09/27/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So what I've learned is that the government passed homicide laws for profit and not to protect people, stop sign laws are okay, but seatbelt laws are not, and that motorcycles are only dangerous if you ride them. Great job, shroomery.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing]
#22300263 - 09/27/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: So what I've learned is that the government passed homicide laws for profit and not to protect people, stop sign laws are okay, but seatbelt laws are not, and that motorcycles are only dangerous if you ride them. Great job, shroomery.

Are you unable to differentiate between laws that prevent someone from hurting other people and laws that keep people from hurting themselves?
This isn't rocket science.
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I hate driving for the mere fact people can drive over 60mph with ease it makes driving much more attention consuming and then these assholes want to tail gate you and it's not just the main highways everyone does it everywhere
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#22300591 - 09/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is fast food and smoking cigarettes legal? Motorcycles have a more practical purpose than both. Either one kills more people every year than die in motorcycle accidents. Neither have "safety gear" you can strap on.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22300646 - 09/27/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22300740 - 09/27/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Why is fast food and smoking cigarettes legal? Motorcycles have a more practical purpose than both. Either one kills more people every year than die in motorcycle accidents. Neither have "safety gear" you can strap on.
/thread.
I feel like fast food has more practical use than a motorcycle, just not the best ,method of achieving what it accomplishes.
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Not really IMO. It exists because it's more flavorful than the other options. There are plenty of foods that are just as quick and easy to make and just as cheap. Maybe if it was only really utilized by people who were traveling or for some reason couldn't get home to cook or even just microwave food, but the majority drive a few blocks to get it, then either eat it there, or take it back home with them.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#22300772 - 09/27/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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'Tis a good question. I don't worry because mostly its the motorcyclists who die so ya know, can't step in the way of evolution man
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Ezuma]
#22300923 - 09/27/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never really thought about of the hypocrisy of seatbelts laws and motorcycles being legal.
Ps i am seriously fucking sick of clicking a thread and having it bring me to thw newest page. I want to read from page fucking 1 thank you very much.. Does that shit every time.
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Only does that for me when I've logged out or clicked the thread.
As I literally never log out (my computer runs 24/7 and I always leave shroomery and yahoo [my email] open, only time I have to log back in is when I need to restart) it's never really been an issue for me.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Im always logged in too. Anytime i click a thread title it shoots me to either the last page, or sometimes the middle pages. Really annoying.
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Dunno why. Anytime I click on a thread, if I haven't opened it, it starts me at post 1. The only time it does otherwise is when I've already opened the thread, then it starts off at the reply directly after the last one I read.
I do have a work around for you because I've done it on accident a couple of times. Open the thread, close it instantly, and open it again. That always puts me at the OP as well.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22300989 - 09/27/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My buddy was turning left into a gas station when a motorcycle blew a red light and t boned him, both drivers dead instantly and he has to live with it. This happened just yesterday.
And thats why i drive like everyone is trying to kill me and themselves.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#22301008 - 09/27/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: I dont have anything against motorcycles but I dont see why they are legal to drive for safety reasons. It's a law that you have to wear a seat belt when being inside a car whether you're the driver or a passanger, but they just let people drive an unenclosed vehicle with zero safety features? I dont think motorcyclists are even required to wear a helmet! Shit is strange to me 
Since I have been riding I've become a much better car driver. Riding a cycle or a scooter teaches you to not take anything for granted. You learn to keep your eyes wide open all the time.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: FruitOfLife] 1
#22301108 - 09/28/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: I dont have anything against motorcycles but I dont see why they are legal to drive for safety reasons. It's a law that you have to wear a seat belt when being inside a car whether you're the driver or a passanger, but they just let people drive an unenclosed vehicle with zero safety features? I dont think motorcyclists are even required to wear a helmet! Shit is strange to me 
Because the motorcycle lobby is huge. Money talks. There's no sans seat belt lobby, but the insurance companies have a lot of money.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: lowbrow]
#22301127 - 09/28/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So much hate on motorcycles lately. World would be a lot safer if people looked out for motorcyclists.
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Wouldn't the world be safer if fewer people rode them, though? Or at least the people who used to ride them would be safer.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing]
#22301143 - 09/28/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The world would be safer if people didn't drive like assholes, regardless of the vehicle. I get so tired of seeing motorcycles blow past me going 90+ or weave in and out of traffic. They're putting everyone around them at risk in addition to themselves. The same can be said for regular drivers who do similar shit.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing]
#22301216 - 09/28/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Black_Sunset said: So much hate on motorcycles lately. World would be a lot safer if people looked out for motorcyclists.
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healing said: Wouldn't the world be safer if fewer people rode them, though? Or at least the people who used to ride them would be safer.
The world would be safer if more people rode motorcycles. To me they have always seemed to be the most practical form of transportation aside from maybe a bus or rail system. The better question is why are cars legal?
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: brokentv]
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Atreyu]
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I like motorcycles It's someones choice to put themselves in danger then let them. It's legal to be a police officer, to go in the military, and to skydive, and those are equally if not more dangerous.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Achillita]
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I don't think that people are riding motorcycles because they're good for the environment.
Actually, why do people ride motorcycles, besides doing cool tricks?
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing]
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They're cool, they save gas, and they are honestly a rush compared to driving in a car. They don't have to be good for the enviroment, jst good for saving money.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Achillita]
#22301364 - 09/28/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So they save money on gas.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: healing] 2
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NO YOU GUYS IT IS UNSAFE YOU CAN'T BE UNSAFE WE HAVE TO BE BUBBLE WRAPPED AND ONLY WORK & BUY SHIT NEVER DO ANYTHING COOL OR ELSE YOU DIE AND THAT IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!
OP, it's all about the money, aint a damn thing funny. The government never cared about your safety, only about making shit illegal so they can take your money.
Everytime the government choses safety over freedom, remember that it is not for you. They do not care. Every real safety issue (like in the workplace) had to come from outside pressure, because the government doesn't give a fuck if you fall into a meatgrinder, they only care if they can then fine the owner of the meatgrinder.
So that's one thing.
The second thing is: oh my god, who the fuck cares. Life is a flash in the pan followed by an eternity of death. You want to stretch out your meager years so bad that you sacrifice all quality or something? Damn man, grow a brain. Eat a mushroom. Eat 20 mushrooms. It's safe, don't worry.
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The two things definitely are inconsistent, but IMO the better solution is to have no seatbelt-wearing law for adults. I'm all for requiring manufacturers to put them in though, and legal consequences for anyone who drives around with unseatbelted minors in their car.
A similarly stupid inconsistency here is that a moped, which you used to be able to ride without a license or insurance, now requires both of those things, but an "e-bike," which is pretty much exactly the same thing with an electric motor of similar power, doesn't require either. The rationale is some nonsense about emissions. I guess a 2-stroke moped can put out a lot of junk into the air, but IMO there is zero connection between that issue and the requirement for liability insurance.
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: psi]
#22303885 - 09/28/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can put a motorcycle on the road for like 80 bucks where I live, use less gas would probably save you at least 120bucks alone just on insurance
can't drive em in shitty weather tho
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Konyap]
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sure you can, I even know people who ride regular peddle bikes in the winter with special tires, shit is crazy as fuck but I see them going down the street on them
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22303914 - 09/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Konyap]
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I think most people missed the point of this thread, although some got it. I worded it weird in the OP, but I am asking why its illegal to drive a car without wearing a seat belt but its ok to ride a motorcycle when they dont require a seat belt or helmet?
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FruitOfLife said: I think most people missed the point of this thread, although some got it. I worded it weird in the OP, but I am asking why its illegal to drive a car without wearing a seat belt but its ok to ride a motorcycle when they dont require a seat belt or helmet?
Because it'd be a horrible move for any politician to sign or write a bill banning motorcycle and the governmeesnt makes money off of people having motorcycles.
The majority of things made illegal are illegal because of politics and money, not because the government cares about its citizens.
Edited by luvdemboomers (09/28/15 06:15 PM)
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We could petition for a bill to make seat belts on motorcycles mandatory
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but then every time someone wipes out they would die
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22304484 - 09/28/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol Then we'll add that an airbag or two would also be beneficial
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: Higher Love]
#22304512 - 09/28/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer being able to roll out of the way of semi trucks while wiped out on the highway
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Re: Why are motorcycles legal? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22304558 - 09/28/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^agreed
**BTW, all my posts were extreme sarcasm**
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