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What kind of crazy are you?
    #22299357 - 09/27/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I get the feeling that everybody is a bit crazy on some level or another. and if they think they're not then they're in denial which is also a form of crazy..

There's a whole spectrum for schizophrenia, it looks something like this



the autism spectrum is a little different, and is actually a lot broader and general than the schizophrenia spectrum



now remember these are just models we can use to diagnose certain "anomalies" in the human thinking process. whether or not these are actual anomalies or rather just distinguishing characteristics of a certain personality type or mode of thinking is still up for debate..

regardless, there are still a vast array of labels we can put on a certain mental behavior which we could characterize as an impediment to our ideal way of living



most (if not all) "mental problems" stem from stress. stress can be caused by many factors, primarily hunger. other things such as obsessive thought loops tend to be a primary source of stress for myself, along with hunger.

we can all take measures to prevent or temporarily subside this stress, but certain underlying mental "conditions" may amount to triggering that stress in ways you may not normally be consciously aware of.

As the mind is programmed to take-in input in certain ways, it knows only what it is accustomed to. so it may not even seem abnormal initially, and may even seem that stress can be coming from nowhere...

but if you can identify the key cause of your stress, by picking apart your brain and determining what kind of mental "fixation" you may have, you can take the first steps in becoming aware of how your brain works. and that is probably the key to managing any problems you may believe you have.

now remember, these aren't necessarily problems. it's really a matter of whether you recognize certain mental faculties as being a hindrance to your mental psyche or not.

so what kind of crazy are you?


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299366 - 09/27/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so crazy I just grabbed a mouse that was running across my kitchen and the little motherfucker bit the hell out of me


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299373 - 09/27/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've got chronic insomnia. As far as crazy, I guess I do risky behavior. What kind of crazy is that?


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22299388 - 09/27/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've got chronic insomnia. As far as crazy, I guess I do risky behavior. What kind of crazy is that?



i would say ADD

i would try a specific breathing pattern when trying to sleep at night

4-7-8

inhale for 4 seconds

hold for 7 seconds

exhale for 8 seconds

do this for about 1-3 minutes when you're about to go to sleep, however you normally go to sleep


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299391 - 09/27/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

inattentive ADD with maybe a hint of autism (like mild aspergers)

I'm pretty introspective and tend to overthink things though I don't do it nearly as much as I used to. I guess I sorta trained myself not to since it was so detrimental.

as far as

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now remember these are just models we can use to diagnose certain "anomalies" in the human thinking process.




I think you hit the nail on the head here. What exactly is normal? I'd be willing to bet 90% of the the population, probably more, meets the criteria for some type of psychiatric "disorder"


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299396 - 09/27/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If everybody is a bit crazy than doesn't that make the whole "disorder" argument kind of...off? If there is no "normal" baseline for human mental behavior than the amount of people suffering from actual DISORDERS should be very very small?

I'm not refuting your post, I'm just curious what you think.

Anyway, I've been diagnosed with a "mild" form of Bipolar Disorder coupled with Anxiety and PTSD for a young life no person in a first world country should have; BUT I have also been in talented and gifted programs since I was a young and am an autodidact on subjects outside of my formal education. I was previously on 3 medications but took myself off of them.

While it's sometimes hard, I've found my anxiety has often pushed me to try to be the best at what I do or, failing that, learn as much as possible to perform a function admirably.Constantly feeling you aren't good enough can push you to at least try to be. I don't fear failure as much as I fear absolute humiliation.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299404 - 09/27/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm so crazy I just grabbed a mouse that was running across my kitchen and the little motherfucker bit the hell out of me



for real? Then what happened?




I kept trying to hold on and he bit me like 4 times then I finally let go and was like "Fuck, shit, fuck, dammit" as I went to the bathroom and washed the wounds with peroxide and rubbing alcohol

I've actually grabbed a mouse bare-handed once before but that one didn't bite me like this


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299410 - 09/27/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I tend to take extremely high doses of psychedelics... or used to I should say. :toomuchacid: It's been a while since my last trip though. Other than that... just plain wreckless behavior. You gotta have some fun in this life.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299414 - 09/27/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so crazy I'm normal.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Space Elf]
    #22299417 - 09/27/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I almost blew my consciousness straight to oblivion the other night smoking DMT

If that's not crazy behavior I don't know what is


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299424 - 09/27/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If I stop posting you guys know why


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22299429 - 09/27/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you hit the nail on the head here. What exactly is normal? I'd be willing to bet 90% of the the population, probably more, meets the criteria for some type of psychiatric "disorder"



and the other 10% are just down right "abnormal" by default!


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299448 - 09/27/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Too many types of crazy to list. Or at least, too many for me to want to take the time it would take to sit here and write it all out.

Overall I'm fine as long as I'm not drinking liquor and I'm not routinely going 36+ hours without sleep (and then only sleeping 2-3 hours). Either of those happen, or happen together, I'm a psychotic lunatic :uhoh:

I quit liquor quite a while back, and I'm more or less sleeping regularly without problem.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22299457 - 09/27/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can relate to the way people with tourettes say that their tics are just like itches that need to be scratched.  I tend to keep it under wraps when I am around people, but when I am alone I will just have to do certain movements and repetitive behavior to cope with anxiety that seems to come from somewhere.

Also sometimes I will count things, but I usually just start from some random number, skip numbers at random, and don't even accurately count what I am counting.  I'll just be like "16, 17, 18, 22, 21, 19, 20, 27, 49, 50." in my head to count my steps when I am walking.  So add in dyslexic ODD.

I would say I have more problems regulating my mood moreso than having paranoid flights of fancy a la schizophrenia.

Never been diagnosed with anything, but I've had alot of people tell me I am likely depressed.  There are some things that I feel conflict with this, like I never really feel that sad, I'm not suicidal, I don't feel powerless, I don't feel empty, at least not in any extreme sense.  Overall I think I am pretty balanced.  I do feel like most people who have tried to put labels on me and say that I needed to be fixed just didn't understand me and preferred a world where everyone is complacent and submissive.

So I am the standard kind of crazy that just means I am aware of my own humanity and do my best to arrange my lifestyle and habits so that I can cope in a healthy way and live out my potential in the way I ultimately choose to do.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299466 - 09/27/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If everybody is a bit crazy than doesn't that make the whole "disorder" argument kind of...off? If there is no "normal" baseline for human mental behavior than the amount of people suffering from actual DISORDERS should be very very small?






if you'd read my whole post you'd realize that i said

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it's really a matter of whether you recognize certain mental faculties as being a hindrance to your mental psyche or not.




it's really only a "disorder" if you perceive it as a disorder. this can cause real side-effects and real problems, but only if you don't understand what's going on and believe it is having a negative effect on you.

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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22299482 - 09/27/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22299489 - 09/27/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.



do you see this as a problem for you?

if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.

you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.

where are you seeking your happiness?


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299506 - 09/27/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've got chronic insomnia. As far as crazy, I guess I do risky behavior. What kind of crazy is that?



i would say ADD

i would try a specific breathing pattern when trying to sleep at night

4-7-8

inhale for 4 seconds

hold for 7 seconds

exhale for 8 seconds

do this for about 1-3 minutes when you're about to go to sleep, however you normally go to sleep




Interesting. I could see how ADD would coincide with risky behavior. I don't have any trouble with staying focused though.

I have tried counting breaths. One night, I counted 700 breaths before I quit. I have also counted ladders. Like 1-10, 10 back to 1, 1-20, 20 back to 1, etc. But, it doesn't seem to work. I have just learned to live on little sleep. It sucks, but I got to keep living so oh well. And, I wouldn't wish chronic insomnia on my worst enemy.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22299519 - 09/27/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh that's why it doesn't work. you're not supposed to be focusing on the numbers. you're supposed to be focusing on the breath.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299533 - 09/27/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'll try it again, but I've done meditation before bed just focusing on breaths to no avail.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299570 - 09/27/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.



do you see this as a problem for you?

if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.

you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.

where are you seeking your happiness?




I can kinda understand what he's saying.  I think it's not people who aren't depressed who are the issue as much as the extreme end of that manic self-empowerment that results in overconfident drive for achievement without overarching conscience.  Lacking a superego in a simplified Freudian sense.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22299599 - 09/27/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so what kind of crazy are you?




I'm under mind control by non human entities some stuck in my body and some that fly above my head.  All talk in normal voices but their game is emotional manipulation and causing mini psychotic breaks.


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299600 - 09/27/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Envix said:
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GoldenEye said:
Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.




do you see this as a problem for you?

if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.

you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.

where are you seeking your happiness?




I'm not sure I understood what either you or moonrockmushy were saying but...

Yeah it's a problem. I don't feel like I am better off at all.

I don't know where to seek/find happiness at the moment and I'm not sure if that's a symptom or a cause of the depression. All I know is that my sense of "knowing" or feelings of "wanting" something have been gone for far too long.

I guess maybe I always did what I thought others would like, or what I was advised or told to do or something.

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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: GoldenEye] * 1
    #22299637 - 09/27/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)


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GoldenEye said:
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Envix said:
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GoldenEye said:
Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.




do you see this as a problem for you?

if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.

you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.

where are you seeking your happiness?




I'm not sure I understood what either you or moonrockmushy were saying but...

Yeah it's a problem. I don't feel like I am better off at all.

I don't know where to seek/find happiness at the moment and I'm not sure if that's a symptom or a cause of the depression. All I know is that my sense of "knowing" or feelings of "wanting" something have been gone for far too long.

I guess maybe I always did what I thought others would like, or what I was advised or told to do or something.

:shrug:




I sometimes wonder if this is part of a more Western condition than we realize. I forget the person who said it, I believe they were Polish or Russian, but they stated that Westerners have this obsession with chasing happiness when really it's such an ephemeral state that chasing it will lead to nothing but misery.

For my anxiety, I've found focusing on "the moment" definitely helps. You can plan for the future; using a journal or goal-oriented software but ultimate being in the now provides the kind of the peace that being preoccupied with happiness just doesn't provide. It's a sort of contentment, an acknowledgement of what IS instead of what should be.

I do think Western society pumps up happiness as if it's the only ideal state. We're encouraged to "slum it" with retreats and "weird natives" content with their "simple lives" but then return promptly to the chase of happiness the moment we return to "reality."

We're even told what happiness is supposed to look like; thin, rich, successful, McMansion, expensive car, exotic travels- all in a bid to sell us the latest thing meant to reach this state. I sometimes think the uptick in Americans diagnosed with depression doesn't stem from any actual mental disorder but from the subconscious realization that what we've been fed as happiness isn't as real or obtainable as we have been led to believe.

During my cycles,I do sometimes wallow in pits of despair and during my last trip an entity showed me real sorrow, a divine sorrow that completely eclipsed anything I could cook up on my own- it kind of put things in a very strange perspective.

So maybe seeking happiness is the problem? Perhaps we should consider seeking contentment and if not that realization of what is in the now and the sensations that accompany it; the smell, taste, scent, and feeling of skin against skin, or skin against carpet, the delectable scent of cooking food, the feel of the sun, the scent of the breeze, our fingers on our keyboards, the words we share with those we love...

That kind of thing...


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Edited by dionysiandame (09/27/15 05:31 PM)


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22299701 - 09/27/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

we are all pre-conditioned to expect certain things in return. like a "universal law of karma" or something.

why do good things happen to shitty people? why do bad things happen to me when i'm such a good person?

you're looking at life all wrong. you're looking at life through fake lenses that your parents have put on you or your moral supervisors.

things don't happen the way you would expect. they never do. even great breakthroughs/revelations in science/physics eventually get turned upside-down every century or so...

it's not like anyone has the exact answers for anything. and to expect that ANYTHING should happen is a form of delusion.

you seek happiness in the present moment, you fools. not in some imaginary/distant/arbitrary future that doesn't even exist


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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
    #22299749 - 09/27/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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we are all pre-conditioned to expect certain things in return. like a "universal law of karma" or something.

why do good things happen to shitty people? why do bad things happen to me when i'm such a good person?

you're looking at life all wrong. you're looking at life through fake lenses that your parents have put on you or your moral supervisors.

things don't happen the way you would expect. they never do. even great breakthroughs/revelations in science/physics eventually get turned upside-down every century or so...

it's not like anyone has the exact answers for anything. and to expect that ANYTHING should happen is a form of delusion.

you seek happiness in the present moment, you fools. not in some imaginary/distant/arbitrary future that doesn't even exist





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias

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This vanity finds expression in the whole way in which things exist; in the infinite nature of Time and Space, as opposed to the finite nature of the individual in both; in the ever-passing present moment as the only mode of actual existence; in the interdependence and relativity of all things; in continual Becoming without ever Being; in constant wishing and never being satisfied; in the long battle which forms the history of life, where every effort is checked by difficulties, and stopped until they are overcome. Time is that in which all things pass away; it is merely the form under which the will to live — the thing-in-itself and therefore imperishable — has revealed to it that its efforts are in vain; it is that agent by which at every moment all things in our hands become as nothing, and lose any real value they possess.

That which has been exists no more; it exists as little as that which has never been. But of everything that exists you must say, in the next moment, that it has been. Hence something of great importance now past is inferior to something of little importance now present, in that the latter is a reality, and related to the former as something to nothing.

A man finds himself, to his great astonishment, suddenly existing, after thousands and thousands of years of non-existence: he lives for a little while; and then, again, comes an equally long period when he must exist no more. The heart rebels against this, and feels that it cannot be true. The crudest intellect cannot speculate on such a subject without having a presentiment that Time is something ideal in its nature. This ideality of Time and Space is the key to every true system of metaphysics; because it provides for quite another order of things than is to be met with in the domain of nature. This is why Kant is so great.

Of every event in our life we can say only for one moment that it is; for ever after, that it was. Every evening we are poorer by a day. It might, perhaps, make us mad to see how rapidly our short span of time ebbs away; if it were not that in the furthest depths of our being we are secretly conscious of our share in the exhaustible spring of eternity, so that we can always hope to find life in it again.

Consideration of the kind, touched on above, might, indeed, lead us to embrace the belief that the greatest wisdom is to make the enjoyment of the present the supreme object of life; because that is the only reality, all else being merely the play of thought. On the other hand, such a course might just as well be called the greatest folly: for that which in the next moment exists no more, and vanishes utterly, like a dream, can never be worth a serious effort

On the Vanity of Existence.
Studies in Pessimism, by Arthur Schopenhauer
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