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moonrockmushy
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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
#22299570 - 09/27/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.
do you see this as a problem for you?
if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.
you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.
where are you seeking your happiness?
I can kinda understand what he's saying. I think it's not people who aren't depressed who are the issue as much as the extreme end of that manic self-empowerment that results in overconfident drive for achievement without overarching conscience. Lacking a superego in a simplified Freudian sense.
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FishOilTheKid
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so what kind of crazy are you?
I'm under mind control by non human entities some stuck in my body and some that fly above my head. All talk in normal voices but their game is emotional manipulation and causing mini psychotic breaks.
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GoldenEye
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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
#22299600 - 09/27/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.
do you see this as a problem for you?
if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.
you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.
where are you seeking your happiness?
I'm not sure I understood what either you or moonrockmushy were saying but...
Yeah it's a problem. I don't feel like I am better off at all.
I don't know where to seek/find happiness at the moment and I'm not sure if that's a symptom or a cause of the depression. All I know is that my sense of "knowing" or feelings of "wanting" something have been gone for far too long.
I guess maybe I always did what I thought others would like, or what I was advised or told to do or something.
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dionysiandame
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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: GoldenEye] 1
#22299637 - 09/27/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
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Envix said:
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GoldenEye said: Depressed. But the crazy part is that I don't believe that to be crazy at all. I think the happy ones are crazy. Or at least ignorant. Or selfish.
do you see this as a problem for you?
if you feel like you're better off being depressed because that makes you less ignorant and selfish, you should probably know that your depression probably stems from a superiority complex and perfectionist mindset.
you hold yourself up to the same standards as everybody else and when others don't meet those standards you feel like your efforts are worthless.
where are you seeking your happiness?
I'm not sure I understood what either you or moonrockmushy were saying but...
Yeah it's a problem. I don't feel like I am better off at all.
I don't know where to seek/find happiness at the moment and I'm not sure if that's a symptom or a cause of the depression. All I know is that my sense of "knowing" or feelings of "wanting" something have been gone for far too long.
I guess maybe I always did what I thought others would like, or what I was advised or told to do or something.

I sometimes wonder if this is part of a more Western condition than we realize. I forget the person who said it, I believe they were Polish or Russian, but they stated that Westerners have this obsession with chasing happiness when really it's such an ephemeral state that chasing it will lead to nothing but misery.
For my anxiety, I've found focusing on "the moment" definitely helps. You can plan for the future; using a journal or goal-oriented software but ultimate being in the now provides the kind of the peace that being preoccupied with happiness just doesn't provide. It's a sort of contentment, an acknowledgement of what IS instead of what should be.
I do think Western society pumps up happiness as if it's the only ideal state. We're encouraged to "slum it" with retreats and "weird natives" content with their "simple lives" but then return promptly to the chase of happiness the moment we return to "reality."
We're even told what happiness is supposed to look like; thin, rich, successful, McMansion, expensive car, exotic travels- all in a bid to sell us the latest thing meant to reach this state. I sometimes think the uptick in Americans diagnosed with depression doesn't stem from any actual mental disorder but from the subconscious realization that what we've been fed as happiness isn't as real or obtainable as we have been led to believe.
During my cycles,I do sometimes wallow in pits of despair and during my last trip an entity showed me real sorrow, a divine sorrow that completely eclipsed anything I could cook up on my own- it kind of put things in a very strange perspective.
So maybe seeking happiness is the problem? Perhaps we should consider seeking contentment and if not that realization of what is in the now and the sensations that accompany it; the smell, taste, scent, and feeling of skin against skin, or skin against carpet, the delectable scent of cooking food, the feel of the sun, the scent of the breeze, our fingers on our keyboards, the words we share with those we love...
That kind of thing...
-------------------- He (Dionysos) keeps me with all of his other pretty things for I am just another pretty thing in a long list of acquisitions. Yes! And their brains are releasing adrenaline, dopamine, even dimethyltryptamine from the pineal gland! This has serious educational value! Thanatophobia and this N.D.E. is giving us euphoric altered awareness! Don't you see, Princess? We were all born to die! – Finn the Human Pay me what you owe me. Don't act like you forgot. BBHMM.
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Envix
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we are all pre-conditioned to expect certain things in return. like a "universal law of karma" or something.
why do good things happen to shitty people? why do bad things happen to me when i'm such a good person?
you're looking at life all wrong. you're looking at life through fake lenses that your parents have put on you or your moral supervisors.
things don't happen the way you would expect. they never do. even great breakthroughs/revelations in science/physics eventually get turned upside-down every century or so...
it's not like anyone has the exact answers for anything. and to expect that ANYTHING should happen is a form of delusion.
you seek happiness in the present moment, you fools. not in some imaginary/distant/arbitrary future that doesn't even exist
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Re: What kind of crazy are you? [Re: Envix]
#22299749 - 09/27/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Envix said: we are all pre-conditioned to expect certain things in return. like a "universal law of karma" or something.
why do good things happen to shitty people? why do bad things happen to me when i'm such a good person?
you're looking at life all wrong. you're looking at life through fake lenses that your parents have put on you or your moral supervisors.
things don't happen the way you would expect. they never do. even great breakthroughs/revelations in science/physics eventually get turned upside-down every century or so...
it's not like anyone has the exact answers for anything. and to expect that ANYTHING should happen is a form of delusion.
you seek happiness in the present moment, you fools. not in some imaginary/distant/arbitrary future that doesn't even exist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias
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This vanity finds expression in the whole way in which things exist; in the infinite nature of Time and Space, as opposed to the finite nature of the individual in both; in the ever-passing present moment as the only mode of actual existence; in the interdependence and relativity of all things; in continual Becoming without ever Being; in constant wishing and never being satisfied; in the long battle which forms the history of life, where every effort is checked by difficulties, and stopped until they are overcome. Time is that in which all things pass away; it is merely the form under which the will to live — the thing-in-itself and therefore imperishable — has revealed to it that its efforts are in vain; it is that agent by which at every moment all things in our hands become as nothing, and lose any real value they possess.
That which has been exists no more; it exists as little as that which has never been. But of everything that exists you must say, in the next moment, that it has been. Hence something of great importance now past is inferior to something of little importance now present, in that the latter is a reality, and related to the former as something to nothing.
A man finds himself, to his great astonishment, suddenly existing, after thousands and thousands of years of non-existence: he lives for a little while; and then, again, comes an equally long period when he must exist no more. The heart rebels against this, and feels that it cannot be true. The crudest intellect cannot speculate on such a subject without having a presentiment that Time is something ideal in its nature. This ideality of Time and Space is the key to every true system of metaphysics; because it provides for quite another order of things than is to be met with in the domain of nature. This is why Kant is so great.
Of every event in our life we can say only for one moment that it is; for ever after, that it was. Every evening we are poorer by a day. It might, perhaps, make us mad to see how rapidly our short span of time ebbs away; if it were not that in the furthest depths of our being we are secretly conscious of our share in the exhaustible spring of eternity, so that we can always hope to find life in it again.
Consideration of the kind, touched on above, might, indeed, lead us to embrace the belief that the greatest wisdom is to make the enjoyment of the present the supreme object of life; because that is the only reality, all else being merely the play of thought. On the other hand, such a course might just as well be called the greatest folly: for that which in the next moment exists no more, and vanishes utterly, like a dream, can never be worth a serious effort
On the Vanity of Existence. Studies in Pessimism, by Arthur Schopenhauer https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/pessimism/chapter2.html
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