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voodoochild1000
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FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT!
#22297983 - 09/27/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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GreenRabbit
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22297995 - 09/27/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're all fake.
What exactly make someone a 'real' shaman anyway?
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voodoochild1000
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22298035 - 09/27/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: They're all fake.
What exactly make someone a 'real' shaman anyway?
.... I guess someone that was legitimately trying to heal and guide people through the psychedelic experience someone who has a lot of personal experience with the chosen substance and does not approach it from a monetary viewpoint.
... Holy s***! I am a shaman
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Achillita
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22298074 - 09/27/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Plastic shamans are a thing. These people have no idea what they are doing, what shamanism even is half the time, and almost always do it for the money.
I've talked to quite a few shamans, not from South America, but within my own tribe and the tribes close by. Shamans are spiritual leaders and healers. They are heavily trained by shamans before them for ceremonies and medicines.
One ceremony my tribe does, which is used by people who don't know nearly anything about it, is the sweat lodge ceremony. IF you don't know what you're doing, it can be very dangerous. People have died or been hospitalized by plastic shamans pretending to be knowledgable about this ceremony. The ayahuasca ceremony is no different.
People want to get to know these things without actually learning or doing the time it takes to obtain these titles.
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voodoochild1000
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: Achillita]
#22298089 - 09/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Plastic shamans are a thing. These people have no idea what they are doing, what shamanism even is half the time, and almost always do it for the money.
I've talked to quite a few shamans, not from South America, but within my own tribe and the tribes close by. Shamans are spiritual leaders and healers. They are heavily trained by shamans before them for ceremonies and medicines.
One ceremony my tribe does, which is used by people who don't know nearly anything about it, is the sweat lodge ceremony. IF you don't know what you're doing, it can be very dangerous. People have died or been hospitalized by plastic shamans pretending to be knowledgable about this ceremony. The ayahuasca ceremony is no different.
People want to get to know these things without actually learning or doing the time it takes to obtain these titles.
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-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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GoldenEye
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22298123 - 09/27/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Achilita, can you tell me more about your tribe and these sweatlodges?
Sweatlodges are a very common thing in the spiritual scene here. I never went but heard good stories about them. I guess I'm curious to hear a bit about where they (and you) come from exactly! When are they used traditionally? Is it like a regular thing?
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voodoochild1000
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: GoldenEye]
#22298134 - 09/27/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Hey Achilita, can you tell me more about your tribe and these sweatlodges?
Sweatlodges are a very common thing in the spiritual scene here. I never went but heard good stories about them. I guess I'm curious to hear a bit about where they (and you) come from exactly! When are they used traditionally? Is it like a regular thing?
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Achillita
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: GoldenEye]
#22298234 - 09/27/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweat lodges are something that were decently common throughout most of indigenous North and central america. It varies a lot from tribe to tribe, but usually the sweat lodge is done for the purpose of cleansing ones body. Whether it be of a sickness or just the impurities we pick up from day to day life.
In a few places, it is done fairly traditionally. In others, the lodges are fairly pan-Indian in the way that they are run. The practice at traditional lodges may resemble the following: before the ceremony takes place the patient will make tobacco ties. The colors of the ties may be black, white, yellow, red, and sometimes blue. The colors used are determined by the ailment the patient suffers from. Today, some sweat lodges are made to face the west (although in the past it was most likely always to the east). The patients will enter in from the single door and file in to the left. The sweat itself consists of four sessions, which usually take up to an hour and a half. Prior to entering the sweat lodge, the supervising shaman(or sometimes some educated on doing so) may give a panic code that the individual may use if they need to leave the sweat.
True shamans are hard to find, and don't advertise themselves. So occasionally it won't be a shaman leading them. But they do need someone knowledgeable. I've heard plenty of stories of people dieing from someone not knowing how to conduct sweat lodges and the person being over heated.
It wasn't uncommon, but it wasn't a regular thing for every person. Cleansing your body, spirit, and mind are a big part of most native american spirituality.
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Re: FUCK A FAKE ASS SHAMAN!...EAT SHIT CUNT! [Re: Achillita]
#22298289 - 09/27/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool stuff. We even get iboga ceremonies conducted inside of sweatlodges over here (advertised as "awaken the king" ceremonies)... I swear to God there is so much spiritual fusion it's hard to trace things back sometimes. Especially being oceans away from where most of the stuff originated. I don't think any old European spiritual practices made it into our current culture. Christianity and the dark ages made sure of that
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