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Fruiting monotub, answers needed
    #22297071 - 09/27/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hy guys.
I'm new here on shroomery, but I've read pretty much from this forum.

So, to get started, I have no idea what "strain" I'm growing, because we got print labeled "MP" . I doubt that it is Matias Romero, because we asked for it, but mycelium is looking great, and fast colonizing.

Problem started after 100% colonization of the tub, because I realized hygrometer is not working. Tried to calibrate, but nothing, it just stops on 70% and that's all.

Little droplets of water were on top of substrate in large number, so I dabbed that with cotton and fanned till sides of monotub are dried out. Yesterday, I went to mist a bit on the sides, and saw dark greenish, to dark blue colorization on top of some "up" going mycelium. Is it bruising, or contam?

And why the hell this tub won't pin?! It's in fruiting like 10 days already, but nothing is going on as I can see. It's on the window, and it's now 12/12 sunlight in my area, temperatures are 21-23 degrees Celsius, and tub is fanned 3-4 times a day.

Pictures:
http://s13.postimg.org/dh1l2bmg7/mono1.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/wjgdbi82v/mono3.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/fqppd2vdz/mono4.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/qjsm7unaf/mono6.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/6hnj2ymhz/mono7.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/qetgbx5d3/mono8.jpg

It looks "slimey" becouse of the dabbing with cotton.


Edited by Aqua_man (09/27/15 05:29 AM)


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22297143 - 09/27/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If the tub is showing greenish blue coloring on the surface, then it is trich. Bulk subs don't turn blue like cakes because they are not handled directly.

This is why your tub won't pin, the contams are making it hard for the sub to switch into fruiting mode, because it's spending it's energy fighting the trich that has set in.

There is also no need to be fanning a mono, that doesn't do much. They are not pf cakes. If you have your holes dialed in correctly with polyfill, then it is virtually set and forget.

On a side note, try uploading your pics to the site. A lot of people don't like clicking on off-site links.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22297158 - 09/27/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've tried, but I can only upload one file, and when writing a post, I cannot se option "upload a file" anywhere.

It think that it's not trich because bruising could happen when I dabbed with cotton on mycelium to suck up a lot of water droplets. These pictures were taken a day before that "might be bruising" occurred, day after dabbing. And on top of those affected areas, I cannot see any powder like stuff, it just seems different coloured on parts that were stretching upwards.

On the other hand, it's hard for me without hygrometer, because when I mist, I get water droplets on substrate surface, but around poly holes it's dry, so that means AE is happening.

Also, very nice shroomy smell is coming out of the tub, nothing sweet, sour or anything like that.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22297184 - 09/27/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's true, could be that you pressed on the surface too hard and that's what caused it. I personally never mess with my tubs before fruiting, I just leave the water droplets there, no biggie, it'll evaloin a couple of days anyway.

The misting is counterproductive, what's the point of getting water droplets off the surface, if your gonna spray it down again. :lol:

There should be dry rings around your stuffed poly holes, that means you have good FAE. Make sure your bottom holes are stuffed very tightly to maintain a constant humidity level. And keep the top holes a lot looser, so that when the warm air at the sub surface rises it can easily escape through the top, without compromising the humid environment.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22297197 - 09/27/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've read that those droplets can cause delayed pinning, abortions and stuff... I will stuff polyfill on lower holes more tight, because now every hole is pretty loose. Thanks for your answers :smile:

More pictures soon, with pins I hope.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22297198 - 09/27/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777

Do it without the fan first, add the fan if you need to.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: taGyo]
    #22299051 - 09/27/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So the poly stuff was placed loose into top holes, and stuffed tight into lower ones.
Let's hope for the best, I am really losing it, becouse it's been 10 days and no pins.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22299115 - 09/27/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Aqua_man said:
Little droplets of water were on top of substrate in large number, so I dabbed that with cotton and fanned till sides of monotub are dried out..



My god....just leave it alone.....you want the water droplets.....they constantly evaporate off, which is a main pinning trigger.....they will keep returning as it is condensation from the substrate.

And do not fan the tub anymore.....you don't want it dry, you want it covered in droplets, like this.....

   

And the walls should have condensation on them except for dry rings around each hole.....


Edited by PussyFart (09/27/15 03:30 PM)


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: PussyFart]
    #22299510 - 09/27/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for you answer, but I dabbed them because they weren't evaporating for couple of days. No matter how often I would fan, they would be there, no signs of evaporating. I tought it was too much so I dabbed myc.

Today, I misted the sides because sides were dry, loosen the poly on top, and tighten on bottom. I hope there will be shrooms in couple of days.:rolleyes:

It's a bit hard for me to do anything until new hygrometer comes. But this one is going to be a beast. Real hair, german made, and freaking 50 euros price.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22299516 - 09/27/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The beads get replaced as they evaporate. You wouldn't see beads get replaced, it just happens. You want tiny beads of moisture all along the sub. As they leave, water is sucked out of the sub and drawn onto the surface, replenishing the tiny water.

This causes a constant cycle of evaporation on the mycelium surface which tells it to pin.

Make more sense?


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: taGyo]
    #22299541 - 09/27/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

taGyo said:
The beads get replaced as they evaporate. You wouldn't see beads get replaced, it just happens. You want tiny beads of moisture all along the sub. As they leave, water is sucked out of the sub and drawn onto the surface, replenishing the tiny water.

This causes a constant cycle of evaporation on the mycelium surface which tells it to pin.

Make more sense?




Yup. I was thinking like that, but without hygrometer, it's hard to tell is that 80%, 100% or 40% of moisture. I also saw maybe 3-4 yellow droplets, so I got afraid that bacteria might attack myc. It's done what is done, I misted today and closed the tub.

Is it maybe good to leave fanning until droplets are on top again?
Is ok that Sun shines on monotub for 6-12 hours a day instead 6500K light bulb?


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22299559 - 09/27/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't put it in direct sunlight 'cause it'll heat up the box.

Stop fanning your monotub period, just adjust the holes until they look like this:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777

I don't suggest using the fan out the gate, try to do it without one first. This may take really loose top holes. If you can't get close to it use the fan.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: taGyo]
    #22299580 - 09/27/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not on direct sunlight, and temperature is somewhere between 21-23 degrees Celsius. I adjusted holes and now will wait to see what's happening.

According to mycelium look, when can I expect to see pins if everything goes right from this point ? I know it's tricky to guess, but is it 5 +/- days or 15?

And thank you for your response, a lot!


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22299592 - 09/27/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Within 2-5 days.


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: taGyo]
    #22304035 - 09/28/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pins and knotting showed today :smile: Thanks guys


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22304042 - 09/28/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Earlier then I expected but great :super:


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: taGyo]
    #22306701 - 09/29/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

More than great actually :laugh: more of them developing today, pictures soon


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22326841 - 10/03/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Picture update:

Some pins are growing, while new ones are popping up. We saw some greenish stuf under mycelium so we took that out of the tub with something like 2 spoons bent together.

It was unusual because it was like small dark dark green droplets of water, more than green dusty stuff, like usual trichoderma looks. We also dusted that spot lightly with sodium bicarbonate. So far, no signs of trich anywhere, 3 days are past and all mushrooms are developing nice, only a bit slow.



















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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22345353 - 10/07/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help guys, everything went more then well. Trichoderma stopped developing after little sodium bicarbonate treatment, no signs of new growth, or greening.

First flush was harvested this morning, 415 grams of mushrooms, wet :smile:


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Re: Fruiting monotub, answers needed [Re: Aqua_man]
    #22346470 - 10/07/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Good job man :woot:


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