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Would you buy this cooker?
    #22296914 - 09/27/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/All-American-921-2-Quart-Pressure/dp/B00004S88Z/ref=sr_1_9?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1443341013&sr=1-9&keywords=pressure+cooker


Thoughts on this pressure cooker. I bought a $60 cooker, 9 quart capacity. No gauge, and I never can tell if the damn thing is achieving pressure. It sits there and blows steam the whole time, and the instructions do not elaborate nearly enough on the thing's functions. So I'm looking to get one, where there is no question whether or not its operating correctly.

Reason I'm considering this is because of a failed first attempt at growing. 22 days have gone by since I noc'd my jars, and nothing. They smelled like puke when I opened them. And I'm tired of my pressure cooker being a question mark, as to whether or not its a weak link in my method.

So would you buy this pressure cooker? If not, why not? And which one would you buy, if you were going to get a new one?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22296971 - 09/27/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #22297034 - 09/27/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ummmm…yea i'd buy that.  thats the best size AA IMO for jars and bags.  u can go larger, but i use the 921 the most.
10x qt jars
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can't really beat it IMO.
keep ur smaller one for cooking agar

that thing will outlive you, and its made in the US.  win win purchase.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22297144 - 09/27/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The reason I'm looking at that big one, is cause I can't be certain that the small one is getting up to 15 psi. I think it may be running at 0 psi. And the instructions are certainly no help. So I don't know that I can trust the little one enough, to use for agar.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22297303 - 09/27/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The same model is currently $10 less on All American's website; but if you're a Prime member, then the free shipping would balance that out.  So, heck yeah I'd buy that if I had the money for it.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #22297319 - 09/27/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd give my left testicle for an AA 921. I'll probably buy one when my presto finally craps out on me.

AA's look like time bombs. I'm sure if you hastily stopped a van in front of a building in Boston and pulled out the PC, put it at the door, jumped back in the van and sped off at breakneck speeds they'd have the bomb squad out there in 2.5 seconds.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: taGyo]
    #22299722 - 09/27/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So that is the one to have. Nice to know.

And the best capacity (for our purposes) is the 21 quart one? No need to go any bigger?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22299754 - 09/27/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The reason I'm looking at that big one, is cause I can't be certain that the small one is getting up to 15 psi. I think it may be running at 0 psi. And the instructions are certainly no help. So I don't know that I can trust the little one enough, to use for agar.




Have you been having contamination problems? The cooker you are looking at is certainly up to the job,  so are a lot of much much cheaper ones-unless you do a lot of bulk growing it doesn't make sense to spend that much on a cooker of that caliber. You may only need a pellet pistol, why shell out for a .327 magnum?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: champinhom]
    #22299776 - 09/27/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You may only need a pellet pistol, why shell out for a .327 magnum?




HOHOHO. Once you go with the .357 Magnum you never go back the the pellet pistol!!


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: champinhom]
    #22299777 - 09/27/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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bennylava said:
The reason I'm looking at that big one, is cause I can't be certain that the small one is getting up to 15 psi. I think it may be running at 0 psi. And the instructions are certainly no help. So I don't know that I can trust the little one enough, to use for agar.




Have you been having contamination problems? The cooker you are looking at is certainly up to the job,  so are a lot of much much cheaper ones-unless you do a lot of bulk growing it doesn't make sense to spend that much on a cooker of that caliber. You may only need a pellet pistol, why shell out for a .327 magnum?





I'd love to have a link to one of the cheaper cookers, that actually has a gauge. It seems that the cookers go from about $30-80, then jump up to $150-$250 for the good ones. I currently have on of those el cheapo cookers you're talking about. I can't tell if its even working. I'm not sure how getting yet another elcheapo cooker, is going to help. UNLESS it had a PSI gauge.

Which cooker would you recommend?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22299842 - 09/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:confused:did u really not look further for a cheaper PC?


Presto 23 qt  $89 new.

the AA is much better quality, and will last longer, but the presto will do the job fine.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22299856 - 09/27/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In Walmart at the states it's like $70 for a 23 qt presto. Totally getting one or 4 if I go across the border

Well it was :/ now apparently it's 88


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22299899 - 09/27/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the link. I wanted a recommendation. Buying one that really sucked has put me off of buying another one until I found one that the people here liked.

The real problem with my cooker is that I can't get it to seal up. It never achieves pressure. I've tried, and tried... and tried to get that thing to make a proper seal, and it just won't. Probably because its a cheap POS


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22299929 - 09/27/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if u can imagine urself going on with this hobby for a few years or more, buy the AA.
if its something u think u might outgrow, the presto is fine for a couple years.  u can buy gaskets and replace.  careful with them running dry…can warp easily on gas range.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22299969 - 09/27/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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if u can imagine urself going on with this hobby for a few years or more, buy the AA.
if its something u think u might outgrow, the presto is fine for a couple years.  u can buy gaskets and replace.  careful with them running dry…can warp easily on gas range.




Sounds like good advice. I went ahead and bought the presto. I still haven't even taken mushrooms, cause I'm having setbacks growing them lol. That I've narrowed down, must be related to the pressure cooker. So I can't tell if I'll like the hobby or not. So the presto is probably great for now. Thanks again for the recommendation.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22300025 - 09/27/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU

I have this one and love it. Ive been using it like crazy and it is doing a fantastic job!


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22300036 - 09/27/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU

I have this one and love it. Ive been using it like crazy and it is doing a fantastic job!





I want to ask, since I've had such problems with mine. How is the seal on that one? Does it give tactile feedback when you put the lid on, that lets you know its sealed good?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22300071 - 09/27/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't had an issue. I can tell as I'm closing the lid that it's sealing well. It comes to pressure without a problem. Question. Did you wash the sealant ring when you first purchased it? The manufacturer's manual says that if it isn't washed that the oils from manufacturing can prevent the lid from forming a proper seal.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22300120 - 09/27/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also, how have you narrowed it down? Is the gauge not reaching or exceeding 15 psi, are you letting it cook for 90 minutes after you have let it reach pressure, and once you turn off the stove do you let the PC cool with the weighted stopper in place only removing it once the PC reaches 0 PSI and the little silver gauge drops to indicate there is no longer anymore pressure in the pot?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22300310 - 09/27/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Unlike normal typical PC's that us a sort of silicon wedge for a seal, AA's seal by pressing to smoothed machined metal surfaces against eachother really hard.

Either way, if the seal is leaking, steam will come out the seal after you put the weight on and attempt to pressurize.

Sometimes the silicon seal on mine doesn't quite seat right.  I've taken to wetting the gasket and stretching the seal slightly every other run (as it says to do when it leaks in the instructions.)  Seems to have taken care of it.  I think the wetness allows the seal to shift better as the PC heats up and comes up to pressure.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22300322 - 09/27/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22300341 - 09/27/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, how have you narrowed it down? Is the gauge not reaching or exceeding 15 psi, are you letting it cook for 90 minutes after you have let it reach pressure, and once you turn off the stove do you let the PC cool with the weighted stopper in place only removing it once the PC reaches 0 PSI and the little silver gauge drops to indicate there is no longer anymore pressure in the pot?




My manual didn't say to wash the ring, so that never entered my mind. There is no gauge. As far as I can tell, my PC never reached full pressure. I could lift this little blow off valve at any time, and nothing would happen. That was one of the things the manual actually did talk about. It said to test for pressure or to relieve pressure for early opening of the PC, just pull up on this little valve and it would blow off all the pressure. Just like an air compressor. Never had any effect, never blew anything out of there. Couldn't tell what was wrong.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22300353 - 09/27/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ah so we don't have the same PC. Doesn't even sound like you are reaching pressure. Do you get steam blowing out the port before you put the weight on top?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22300390 - 09/27/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i would build a 12x24" hood and buy a presto 23 qt before I bought the larger AA models myself…(same expense)


bags will get u grain weight and less work.  not a shit load of jars several times a week.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22300414 - 09/27/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Another consideration is that I've heard you can't use the large AA cookers on a flat-top electric range, which is a big deal for me since that's what I have.


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22301265 - 09/28/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Another consideration is that I've heard you can't use the large AA cookers on a flat-top electric range, which is a big deal for me since that's what I have.





Why not?


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bennylava]
    #22301498 - 09/28/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They won't reach pressure or if they do it takes two hours. They're also really east to break the stove top with heavy pots too big for the stove

One of the smaller AA despite not being recommend to use on a glass top will work, just don't be a retard


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22301523 - 09/28/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

AA FTW


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: rudeboi]
    #22301531 - 09/28/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Much better thanb my crapppy 10psi mirro pc


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Re: Would you buy this cooker? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22301699 - 09/28/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Another consideration is that I've heard you can't use the large AA cookers on a flat-top electric range, which is a big deal for me since that's what I have.



I've got a Presto 23qt which is considerably lighter weight than the AA921, and I use it on a glass-top electric range without issue. 
I've also heard that you're not supposed to use cast iron on a glass-top range, but I have a 10" grill pan and a 12" round deep skillet pan from Lodge, and I use both of those on the range top without problems.  I can't clang them around like I did when I had a Viking commercial gas range, but I can still use them.


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