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cobweb??
    #22295489 - 09/26/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is this cobweb or healthy myc?



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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22295514 - 09/26/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't look too good there but wait for someone else to confirm it


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #22295536 - 09/26/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, i want someone who actually knows what theyre talking about....but no one cares :confused:


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22295781 - 09/26/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If hydrogen peroxide disolves it it's cobweb mold.
Test a small spot.
Edit:if the peroxide does disolve the mycelium then mist the whole cake and terrarium in hydrogen peroxide straight from the bottle. Use it liberally.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22296118 - 09/26/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah, i want someone who actually knows what theyre talking about....but no one cares :confused:



Awww diddums... poor me, cruel world. lol. :shocked:

As a rule "if it's not white, it's not right". But by all means try and nuke it with h2o2, you may have some success killing the mold but it's probably pointless as it looks like your loaf isn't fully colonised? Best to wait until the whole thing is white and then a week or more before birthing it, especially with big blocks like that.

Also, by putting your loaf in a tray like that you stop the air moving up past it in the way that promotes pinning and healthy growth. Rather put it on a piece of foil only just big enough to support it.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Northerner]
    #22296137 - 09/26/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What's all the blackness? They don't look fully colonized. Why aren't they in a bag or jar getting colonized? :confused:


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22296346 - 09/26/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

op,

i see that's straw but what else is in there ???

it is hard to tell from the pics

does it smell like mushrooms? if so it is probably what you want

however it don't look too healthy

it is possibly just growing around the edges

did you mix colonised substrate in with it ?

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What's all the blackness? They don't look fully colonized. Why aren't they in a bag or jar getting colonized? :confused:




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Re: cobweb?? [Re: micro]
    #22296369 - 09/26/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can see it's straw. But that's not what I was asking. The dark brown/black shit that looks uncolonized is what I'm asking about, and asking why it's in fruiting when it's supposed to be colonizing until it's fully colonized. Tis all I'm asking


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22296452 - 09/26/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i don't know but whatever it is, doesn't look to airy

not sure why you'd mix anything with straw; it works great as it is

bam... increase your yields by 4-fold or more even

oh re: why is it not colonizing in a bag or jar

it's straw :v

it's a bulk substrate and doesn't need it; just needs to be pasteurized

well, assuming he used it like bulk substrate and mixed in colonised mycelium

none of this is taking the unknown brown stuff into account


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: micro]
    #22296458 - 09/26/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid: definitely on the not too airy part. Looks like the kinda place the molds love to appear lol


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: micro]
    #22297263 - 09/27/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

it was a all in one grow bag that was rye, straw and hpoo. i mixed the bag when it was at 50% colonization then let it colonize for a few more days in the bag. the reason i put it in the fc was because it looked fully colonated in the bag. ..and it does smell like mushrooms, but  it looks grey and doesnt look like mycelium to me.  What ratio hydrogen peroxide to water should i use?


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22297352 - 09/27/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Imo myc commonly looks like that when it's on the dry side, and especially on straw. Cobweb is much fluffier. Also generally you want to wait for full colonization before introducing fruiting. It might still colonize and fruit in the chamber, you've just gotta keep it glistening with no pooling water.

Keep an eye on that uncolonized area. It's almost always a trich magnet when I have that :shrug:


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22297802 - 09/27/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Use hydrogen peroxide right out of the bottle
Use a misting bottle.

This will only help for cobweb mold, but won't hurt your good mycelium to try it.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22297827 - 09/27/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Myc also foams from peroxide. It does ruin the surface of mycelium too. It will slow down the myc as well. I don't see anything saying cobweb on it... And if there even was cobweb, at this point just having it in a fc with high fae like a sgfc will stop it, which is what he's doing :smile:. Imo I'd just leave it and try to keep it happy. Making sure to give it a good look over daily too


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22297930 - 09/27/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree
If there's cobweb mold then the best route is hydrogen peroxide or to throw the grow out.
Mycelium isn't damaged by peroxide at all.

So like I said if it is cobweb mold then it will be taken over soon and even if it did hurt the mycelium(which it wont) if it's cobweb then all you will be doing by not doing a peroxide treatment is growing more cobweb.
So what are you going to lose if you thought the grow was toast anyways.


Like I said do a small test spot to see. It won't just foam like mad season said it will actually dissolve cobweb mold on the spot(if it is cobweb mold anyways).
If you really think it is cobweb mold I'd recommend doing a hydrogen peroxide treatment.

But I have a feeling mad season will have somthing to say to to try and make me look wrong.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22297953 - 09/27/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And I'm not saying the peroxide work 100 percent of the time for cobweb
But it's better than just giving up your grow (unless you have another more promising grow to take its place)


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22297960 - 09/27/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What more do I have to say? :/ peroxide makes mycelium foam.. I'd love to say you're right and avoid making you upset...

Yes peroxide does stop cobweb in small amounts, but there is none, and op will just spray a small spot, see it foam, and think it's cobweb. If it is cobweb, the entire thing would be mostly covered in it by now anyways since it's been 15 hours, also he said it smells like mushrooms, not musty or like dirt.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22297997 - 09/27/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22298005 - 09/27/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I never said it looked like cobweb.
The OP thought it did so I posted a way to stop cobweb.

How was I wrong? lol

If the OP had a brain he or she would know the difference between foam and full on melting of the mycelium. Most people know the difference.


And yeah that shit spreads fast but we don't have any new pictures so for all we know that shit is taken over from cobweb.

If you look through my posts not once did I say yeah that looks like cobweb mold I was just letting the OP know how to deal with cobweb.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22298027 - 09/27/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Woah, calm down there killer :V

It sounded like you did and if you didn't, no point in arguing why we agree with one another.

I mean, I have a feeling it's going to get *something* anyway.

Something don't look right.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22298045 - 09/27/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mk lol well I was obviously misunderstanding. I do agree that h2o2 is the only option to a big cobweb outbreak, but upping fae will also stop it from happening :smile:

OP just check these out:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21757581

turned to:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21624840

And this



turned into:



Myc doesn't always have to be white, solid, and rizmorphic for it to be myc. What yours is doing is quite common for straw.

I do agree with micro tho. It should be fully colonized before going into fruiting. Those spots are the place trich loves to attack from.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22298059 - 09/27/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Haha agreed
At least we all hate contamination and love clean spawn.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22298175 - 09/27/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hydrogen peroxide inhibits cell building!
This is why you should only apply hydrogen peroxide to a cut in the beginning and only once..
Using it is safe for mycelium because it's effective at low concentrations and dissipates quickly before absorbing so much as to have a negative effect.

In college we applied h202 to the roots of plants in an aquaponic system that had root rot.  Our other test group was a brew of beneficial bacteria.  The control with no treatment died in two weeks, the beneficial bacteria test group rebounded and showed new shoots by the first week, the h202 treated roots needed several treatments to resolve the sludge/rot issue and the plants rebounded to produce new shoots at 3-4 weeks depending on the plant..

There is no beneficial fungal bacteria one can buy such as those available for plants, this is why we use peroxide for fungi... It does inhibit growth slightly, but is at such a weak solution it is safe and the delay of growth is not major and sometimes not noticed...

I personally use it as an oxygen additive in hydroponics where roots are always submergedand have used it on fungi as well and ended up with beneficial effects.

I still agree with Mad just give it more FAE and air will take care of the cobweb if it's circulating well. 
Spraying h202 on the substrate will oxidize it and bleach it out faster especially since it's not fully colonized...


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22298185 - 09/27/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha agreed
At least we all hate contamination and love clean spawn.




I actually got an offer once for a job studying psychrophilic trichoderma in Alaska.

God, I'm glad I didn't do that, it would have sucked :lol:


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    #22298270 - 09/27/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hydrogen peroxide inhibits cell building!
This is why you should only apply hydrogen peroxide to a cut in the beginning and only once..
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you only spray it once. This is what you do for cobweb.

Were not talking about plant or people.

were talking about killing cobweb.

The mycelium will still grow just fine(it'll take a day to bounce back) and the cobweb will be dead. Somtimes the cobweb wins though depending on how deep the cobweb was.

It's a tried and true method.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: micro]
    #22298280 - 09/27/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

micro said:
Quote:

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Haha agreed
At least we all hate contamination and love clean spawn.




I actually got an offer once for a job studying psychrophilic trichoderma in Alaska.

God, I'm glad I didn't do that, it would have sucked :lol:




Damn that sounds kinda interesting
But that would suck to freeze up in Alaska too lol


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22299212 - 09/27/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I disagree
If there's cobweb mold then the best route is hydrogen peroxide or to throw the grow out.
Mycelium isn't damaged by peroxide at all.

So like I said if it is cobweb mold then it will be taken over soon and even if it did hurt the mycelium(which it wont) if it's cobweb then all you will be doing by not doing a peroxide treatment is growing more cobweb.
So what are you going to lose if you thought the grow was toast anyways.


Like I said do a small test spot to see. It won't just foam like mad season said it will actually dissolve cobweb mold on the spot(if it is cobweb mold anyways).
If you really think it is cobweb mold I'd recommend doing a hydrogen peroxide treatment.

But I have a feeling mad season will have somthing to say to to try and make me look wrong.





So i got hydrogen peroxide and diluted it in water about 10:1

It dissolved most of it real quick leaving nice mycelium under neath. Also i flipped it over and there was definitly cobweb. i sprayed it pretty good, so hopefully it doesnt mess with the mycelium.

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!. although it seems as though no one can seem to agree on anything lol.


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Dboy]
    #22299228 - 09/27/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you're happy :smile: :thumbup: just make sure to keep it glistening but with no pooling water k?


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Re: cobweb?? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22299494 - 09/27/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dude, what's all that brown stuff under the straw?

dirt? manure?

the only reason i ask is it seems to be colonising the outside only

though i could be wrong, if it is the pic

i'm assuming that wasn't the cobweb you were describing o.O


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