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Why do we drink ethanol? 1
#22295382 - 09/26/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ethanol is thought to cause harm partly as a result of direct damage to DNA caused by its metabolites.[7] Most significant of the possible long-term effects of ethanol. In addition, in pregnant women, it causes fetal alcohol syndrome.
Ethanol's toxicity is largely caused by its primary metabolite, acetaldehyde (systematically ethanal)[8][9] and secondary metabolite, acetic acid.[9][10][11][12] Many primary alcohols are metabolized into aldehydes then to carboxylic acids whose toxicities are similar to acetaldehyde and acetic acid.[citation needed] Metabolite toxicity is reduced in rats fed N-acetylcysteine[8][13] and thiamine.
From wiki clearly.
Why don't we drink these instead:
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Tertiary alcohols cannot be metabolized into aldehydes[15] and as a result they cause no hangover or toxicity through this mechanism.
Some secondary and tertiary alcohols are less poisonous than ethanol because the liver is unable to metabolize them into toxic by-products.[16] This makes them more suitable for pharmaceutical use as the chronic harms are lower.[17] Ethchlorvynol and tert-amyl alcohol are tertiary alcohols which have seen both medicinal and recreational use.[18]
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TAA produces euphoria, sedative, hypnotic, and anticonvulsant effects similar to ethanol through ingestion or inhalation.[10] It is active in doses of 2,000–4,000 mg, making it 20 times more potent than ethanol.[11][12] Its hypnotic potency is between chloral hydrate and paraldehyde[13] and between benzodiazepines and ethanol.
I don't even drink really but seems like we could be being more efficient about it 
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It's evolutionary, bro. We started as Chimps eating fermenting fruit and developed a taste.
How much long term research has been done on these alcohols and how much on ethanol? I'm honestly asking  I like informed decisions.
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its simple, profit. why refine shit when you can just sell shit cuss people will buy shit regardless
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22295508 - 09/26/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We drink ethanol because gasoline pollutes too much
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Probably because it would be more difficult to produce and more expensive. Many tertiary alcohols naturally occur in alcoholic beverages at small amounts, however.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: D.M.T]
#22295555 - 09/26/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read that alcohol prevents 30 illness but can cause 200 others.
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D.M.T said: Probably because it would be more difficult to produce and more expensive. Many tertiary alcohols naturally occur in alcoholic beverages at small amounts, however.
Makes sense, that is interesting they occur in small amounts.
Just seems like to me with how much humans love alcohol and our modern technology we could have a better alternative.
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Giftofdeprivation said: How much long term research has been done on these alcohols and how much on ethanol? I'm honestly asking  I like informed decisions.
Good questions, the fact they are more potent and don't have the same toxic metabolites peaked my interest a lot though.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: D.M.T]
#22295650 - 09/26/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dunno... it doesn't really go into the pharmacodynamics
i'd at least want to know what it is doing to me
it looks like it could be a gaba agonist, who knows
or maybe it just fucks with protein conformation like ethanol
i'll stick with 1,4-bdo :v
that does get broken down by alcohol dehydrogenase and succinic semialdehyde dehydrogenase but if you are doing milliliters of it can it really be that bad?
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#22296666 - 09/27/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans drink/eat anything if they like how it makes them feel. Food can be drugs too in a sense. Like super spicy food, Spicy isnt a flavor. We only have 5 tastes and spicy isnt one of them. The spicy feeling is the capsacin (sp?) reacting with pain receptors and in some people high doses can cause temporary heart issues. But people love spicy food, I personally do as well. After a really spicy meal I def have a shift in consciousness. Super spicy food gets me high lol.
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Because it tastes good.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: The Moose]
#22296956 - 09/27/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because you let fruit rot and suddenly you get drugs
Sodium Oxybate all day pls
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How do I make TAA? 
I've been drinking regularly for the past month cuz its legal but recently the gov put pressure on producers and all our beer and cider has gone down in strength. I'm considering moving over to spirits because I can't get drunk off beer or cider here any more now its all under 5%
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I would be interested in finding out how as well 
I actually drank a super dank cider earlier, Atlas pomegranate cherry. So tasty and around 6% I think, I actually was pretty tipsy from one 22.
Though I drank it pretty fast since it tasted so good and I rarely drink at all. That sucks they did that too beer n ciders around you!
Its like they are encouraging hard alcohol use.
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I have drank some TAA (Tertiary Amyl Alcohol) to experiment with the substance.
TESTS
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Asante]
#22297077 - 09/27/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, well written up report! Sounds very interesting.
They sell it on amazing I just realized 
2-Methyl-2-butanol (tert-Amyl Alcohol), 97+%, Certified, 500ml x 2
1000ml for 160$
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Asante]
#22297105 - 09/27/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: I have drank some TAA (Tertiary Amyl Alcohol) to experiment with the substance.
TESTS
I can tell you must have some chemistry experience. Very interesting, I'd be willing to try this out for fun if it's legal. 
I suppose, as I read in wiccan's report, that the reason people don't drink this instead of ethyl alcohol is because it lasts longer and is more dangerous at OD levels.
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nice1returns said: How do I make TAA? 
2-methyl-2-butene and ddH2O over a rhodium-fixed catalyst bed?
You could probably distil it from pentanols...
Or even easier, just buy the stuff :v
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musiclover420 said: 1000ml for 160$ 
WOW o.o
A liter of the shit?
That's a lot, lol. I don't think I'd trust myself with that much.
Who knows, maybe I'll try. I want to order some gamma valerolactone, anyway.
They have smaller sizes on another popular online auction house.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#22297176 - 09/27/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are retarded. Drinking feels terrible, so now I only drink solids(sand, mostlya)
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#22297226 - 09/27/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I only could find a liter or half liter online, but I didn't look too long. If you had a few people to split it with it could work nicely.
It would probably last me a long ass time since I rarely drink
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I think it started out that fermenting fruits and grains was an easy way to preserve them before the advent of refrigeration and dehydration.
and now it has become just a way to catch a buzz as well as a cultural thing.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: trscstghst]
#22297608 - 09/27/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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besides could you imagine the overdoses, 20x more potent, you know someone is going to chug that stuff to show how hard they are, right into the grave.
people don't do well with directions and diluting things generally, how many eyeball dose situations have come up here or lick and dip?
now couple that with the intuition of the average boozey bunch member.
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musiclover420 said: I only could find a liter or half liter online, but I didn't look too long. If you had a few people to split it with it could work nicely.
It would probably last me a long ass time since I rarely drink 
hah, yeah... I did all the time, but I quit.
I only have a problem with alcohol; if this is a lot like it though maybe I'd pass.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Methyl-2-butanol-tert-Amyl-Alcohol-97-Certified-100ml-/231298041539?hash=item35da7006c3
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ReposadoXochipilli said: besides could you imagine the overdoses, 20x more potent, you know someone is going to chug that stuff to show how hard they are, right into the grave.
Duuuude, that's what I planned to do with all this 1,4-BD I got :V
tbh, I doubt anyone is *that* dumb but if they are let natural selection take its course.
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Trust me. You don't want to do this substance. Too easy to go overboard.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#23547859 - 08/16/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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micro said: Trust me. You don't want to do this substance. Too easy to go overboard.
So did you give it a try then? totally forgot about this thread.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#23547889 - 08/16/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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micro said: Trust me. You don't want to do this substance. Too easy to go overboard.
Is that what was going on when you set the hotel on fire and became a local celebrity?
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: koods]
#23547921 - 08/16/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol. I realized I get the DTs. That's probably a factor. I did destroy a hotel room though.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Patlal]
#23548464 - 08/16/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: We drink ethanol because gasoline pollutes too much
Was waiting for this.
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I'm just wondering why the government pays us to put it into our vehicles...
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I don't drink alcohol.
I would like to brew up some wine from the wild grapes which I see around me though. I would have no problem brewing something and trying it, you know for science, but just don't get into the booze scene.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Lucis]
#23549968 - 08/17/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fennario said: I don't drink alcohol.
I would like to brew up some wine from the wild grapes which I see around me though. I would have no problem brewing something and trying it, you know for science, but just don't get into the booze scene.
I am the same way Even wine is pretty gross IMO though, I like milder more tasty fermented beverages. Brewing lambic is my dream
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I know I exclusively drink with people who call alcohol ethanol.
It's always a hoot with those guys.
When we go to the local watering hole, the bar tender cannot contain his laughter when we ask for a round of 37.5ml clear 40% ethanol beverages.
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You can order pure non denatured ethanol online. Funny thing is people got no hangovers from it when I used to get it from the lab I worked at. I can't drink anymore though. Well, I'm drinking malt liquor but just to taper. I can't get drunk off it.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#23552112 - 08/18/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We were drinking ethanol when someone said: "lets back it the fuck off!" So they took methanol and people went blind and died. Then someone said: "lets give it a bit more!" and they drank isopropanol. Everybody got sick, got huge hangovers and their breath reeked of acetone.
So they stuck to drinking ethanol, the least poisonous solvent of the series.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Asante]
#23552131 - 08/18/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tert-amyl alcohol is supposedly less toxic. It's just way too potent and easy to overdo it and I get the DTs. Also, butanol breath >.<
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#23552142 - 08/18/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You seriously havent drank butanol?
Apart from toxicity, that stuff REEKS and butyric acid is even worse.
Also, never drink denatured alcohol.
tert-Amyl alcohol is fun but you cant do much of it cause you'll be drunk for days.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: Asante]
#23552154 - 08/18/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I noticed that x3
I just wrecked a hotel room, fear and loathing style.
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Re: Why do we drink ethanol? [Re: micro]
#23552161 - 08/18/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope this thread didn't inspire that then again it sounds like your alright so maybe it was worth it for the story
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No I'm just sorta nuts. I had four seizurs on 1,4-BD and did 90mg of etizolam and woke up with a big scar on my back. I have no idea how I'm still alive.
I have many other fucked up stories.
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