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How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals?
    #22294722 - 09/26/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I've taken two shroom trips.

The 1st : 2.75 grams.

I was aware where I was the entire time. I felt tremendous joy though, but everything was of "this world".

The 2nd : 5 grams

I was totally shot into hyperspace. While I got closed eye visuals you could say, it seemed like a dream (but more real), because I totally left my body. I was in the fetal position on my apartment floor with my eyes closed for 3 hours. Nothing of form existed there, so I didn't really "see" any beings. It was all just tremendously intelligent waves of energy. When I came out of it, I was nearly completely sober. It was a beautiful experience though, no doubt. There was no feeling of "coming down".

So I'm wondering how I can see these elves and beings everyone is talking about. I also would like to see things take on new colors.

Is there a specific dosage you can recommend for this experience?


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22294865 - 09/26/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I was totally shot into hyperspace. While I got closed eye visuals you could say, it seemed like a dream (but more real), because I totally left my body. I was in the fetal position on my apartment floor with my eyes closed for 3 hours. Nothing of form existed there, so I didn't really "see" any beings. It was all just tremendously intelligent waves of energy. When I came out of it, I was nearly completely sober. It was a beautiful experience though, no doubt. There was no feeling of "coming down".





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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22294867 - 09/26/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are a lot of factors here, such as potency of mushrooms, how much time between each trip, and how you react to chemicals in general.

Smoking weed during the trip can heighten the experience.  Me, personally, I think it clouds the trip up.  The experiences is intensified but there's not as much clarity which to me is very important in a trip.

I might recommend waiting a minimum of 30 days and trying 7 grams of the same batch.  If you're getting a different batch I would do a test run, wait 30 days, then dose.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22294931 - 09/26/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Either up your dosage (which is kinda dangerous because you might blackout or go crazy), or find/extract some dmt. Dmt is what you want, my friend.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: champinhom]
    #22295006 - 09/26/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I was totally shot into hyperspace. While I got closed eye visuals you could say, it seemed like a dream (but more real), because I totally left my body. I was in the fetal position on my apartment floor with my eyes closed for 3 hours. Nothing of form existed there, so I didn't really "see" any beings. It was all just tremendously intelligent waves of energy. When I came out of it, I was nearly completely sober. It was a beautiful experience though, no doubt. There was no feeling of "coming down".





You've already had the best of it with this.




Agreed. I don't feel like I can learn much more after this trip. I felt I seen and felt "it all". Ego death 100%. There's not much more I need, at least for a while.

Now I want to see crazy, bizarre, trippy shit, lol. Less deep and intelligent than the last one, if you will.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22295022 - 09/26/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Then you want to try DMT.  Much more entity contact


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22295879 - 09/26/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinshino said:
. Dmt is what you want, my friend.



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Then you want to try DMT.  Much more entity contact




thanks guys, I'll definitely be trying some if I come across some.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22296167 - 09/26/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If u want clear entity contact, u need around 9 dry grams of MS homegrown shrooms or at least 3.5 dry grams of a potent cubenis isolate.

and this dosage should be done with zero tolerance.

But u gotta ask yourself, am i ready for such an experience?


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22297360 - 09/27/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I was totally shot into hyperspace. While I got closed eye visuals you could say, it seemed like a dream (but more real), because I totally left my body. I was in the fetal position on my apartment floor with my eyes closed for 3 hours. Nothing of form existed there, so I didn't really "see" any beings. It was all just tremendously intelligent waves of energy. When I came out of it, I was nearly completely sober. It was a beautiful experience though, no doubt. There was no feeling of "coming down".

So I'm wondering how I can see these elves and beings everyone is talking about.




I've had similiar experiences on higher doses of mushrooms, being blasted into hyperspace for 3-5 hours then feeling 100% sober and refreshed. But on the subject of "elves", that's not a mushroom thing as far as I know. The self transforming machine elves as Terrence McKenna would call them can be experienced from a DMT trip.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22299313 - 09/27/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't feel like I can learn much more after this trip. I felt I seen and felt "it all". Ego death 100%. There's not much more I need, at least for a while.

Now I want to see crazy, bizarre, trippy shit, lol. Less deep and intelligent than the last one, if you will.




There's quite a wide spectrum of possible experiences on shrooms, I wouldn't speak too soon about "seeing it all". Visuals seem to vary between different people, although some aspects are very common. This post is based on my own experience.

It's hard to "force" your visuals but it can be helpful to take your time and focus on the space behind your closed eyes, or to sit quietly with eyes open, paying attention to your whole visual field but allowing your focus to relax slightly.

I find the trips that get very heavy actually become less visual at this point - the visual effects are probably still there but you can get so deep into your thoughts that the visuals don't really register, you are too absorbed with all the 'realizations' of the trip, lost in a kind of dreamlike visionary trance.

You might get more visuals by dialing the dose back slightly, and/or becoming more adjusted to high doses. Also the surroundings can influence the visuals - something as simple as the texture of the walls (for example a rough, irregular surface might form more visuals as your brain goes into overdrive trying to recognize patterns in the surface that aren't there).

I like tripping inside during the evening, with a combination of light and shadow in the room (for example with the main ceiling light off but lamps switched on in the corners). This can create strange "magic lantern" effects where the shadows seem to move. Also closed-eye visuals seem to be influenced by the amount of light hitting your closed eyelid - some of the light passes through your eyelid and can affect your CEV - sometimes the CEV will change if I put my face closer to a light source, almost as if the light is shining into my hallucinations....

Closed-eye visuals can be very impressive, they need a good dose to get them going properly, but again you can reach a point where more is not better, the trip reaches a point where you don't pay any more attention to them, they just become part of the architecture of your madness. But before that point there can be a nightmare void of looping, coiling, glowing fractal energy that becomes a kind of portal into the trip.

I find that my CEV start off random and weird, usually with a faint glow, then dull patterns, then obscure imagery from God-knows-where, cartoonish assembly lines, strange glowing rooms, changing scenes (a nightclub backdrop, animal shapes, recent memories, anything) before shifting to a kind of darkly sinister underworld of fractal shapes and cavernous spaces. There are occasionally "beings" or figures in these CEV (things with tentacles, prawn-like creatures, insect-like figures) but they seem more like "random shit" to me than meaningful entity contact.

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From a trip journal: I see the outside of enormous machines, with enormous eyes, and I do not want to see the inside.




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As for OEV, I think this is usually more subtle with shrooms, but keep watch out of the corner of your eye - the brain does a lot of "filling in" for the areas of your vision that are not directly in focus in front of you, and on shrooms this can go a bit haywire and start putting random stuff into the edges of your vision - apparent movement of objects in the room, visuals in thin air, dancing girls, strange vistas that seem to be in the corner of your vision but vanish if you look directly.

If I'm concentrating on, say, writing stuff in my trip journal, there can be a lot of apparent movement around me that vanishes if I pay close attention and actually examine the content of the room - it all looks normal again. Then there are more in-your-face visuals where "word-soup" starts to appear in fabrics, carpets and all over the walls as a persistent backdrop. The walls can start to glow slightly or shift in color, they seem to have a depth within them, the whole room takes on a feeling of unreality, objects seem to float slightly away from the wall, speaker grills have strange colors in the holes, random stuff like coffee mugs suddenly looking like they are 1960s designs, curtains briefly taking on the appearance of a circuit board, spaces in the room getting larger and receding backwards....weird shit, some of it quite subtle, some quite "in-your-face" and some "oh shit I took too much" where the ceiling seems to vanish and you daren't look up. I think the word-soup / hieroglyphics thing is the most persistent and noticeable effect, as if the matrix has suddenly made itself visible.

I seem to get the best of the visuals during the onset and during the build-up to the peak, also the CEV on the come-down can be very nice if I come down from whatever crazy delusion enough to actually pay attention. The peak on a high dose is something like a "writhing inferno of fluorescent death" where I'm engulfed by the CEV and gone...

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As for entity contact, like others have said the "elves" thing is more of a DMT discussion, but on high doses of shrooms you can get some incredibly delusional or transcendent experiences where the breakthrough to an alien realm / beyond death does seem very real and sometimes very frightening, but visually it's more of an abstract thing, the way you interpret the inside of your abstract CEV......those abstract fractal structures can be the insides of alien spaceships, realms beyond death....wherever your trip is headed. There's also the shift to the more dreamlike visionary stuff in those kind of trips.

Also with the CEV these can sometimes come on in waves, there is a kind of effect where it feels like a pressure builds, then I kind of fall half-asleep but instead of falling asleep I'm entering the 3D-space of the CEV, it's hard to explain but it seems to be part of the onset of the trip, a way of letting it take you over gradually.

There's an overall theme in a lot of my trips of spaces gradually opening up, a journey into some kind of subterranean glowing space, some kind of sinister realm where I am being taken by the trip. It can be very exciting but it's also a bit frightening because it mixes in with a kind of insanity where it all starts to feel very real, like there is something powerful out there which you are slowly remembering.....


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: Aldebaran] * 1
    #22299504 - 09/27/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Take a strong dose, but not so strong that you are going to have ego death, prepare tea so that the dose hits strong and all at once, then once you feel the mushrooms coming on, put on some music and get an art book to look at.  Mandalas are great.  I use a collection of photographs of snowflakes, like this:

Stare intently as the trip progresses.  Visuals build over time, using simple patterns, sometimes a blank page or the ceiling can be better than looking at a more complex pattern like a Persian rug or Jackson Pollack oil painting.  At any rate, focus on the center of the mandala and then let your eyes drift past it, remember those stupid "magic eye" paintings with hidden pictures?  Act like you're looking at one of those, let your focus drift through and past the picture, once visuals start to build, don't look away, let them build and grow organically, they will become more and more intense in a wave like pattern then abate, returning to something somewhat normal looking. 

Mushrooms are not the most visual drug, for me good LSD has way more fluid, crystal clear genuine hallucinations and less warping and field of depth/size distortion.  I smoked DMT once and didn't break through but I could tell from the tiny 30-60 second trip that the visuals on DMT are leagues above the low-mid doses of LSD and med-high doses of mushrooms that I take.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22299548 - 09/27/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With mushrooms and DMT, i havent had a single experience that DIDNT include entities. It happens everytime for me.

One time on a single gram of CUBES i had the clouds turn into sky gods that were reaching out to pick me up.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: Quit The Cult]
    #22300172 - 09/27/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Look at patterns and art in your everyday life. Use your imagination as much as you can. Listen to this it'll spark your mind.
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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: anticon217]
    #22300977 - 09/27/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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anticon217 said:
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I was totally shot into hyperspace. While I got closed eye visuals you could say, it seemed like a dream (but more real), because I totally left my body. I was in the fetal position on my apartment floor with my eyes closed for 3 hours. Nothing of form existed there, so I didn't really "see" any beings. It was all just tremendously intelligent waves of energy. When I came out of it, I was nearly completely sober. It was a beautiful experience though, no doubt. There was no feeling of "coming down".





You've already had the best of it with this.




Agreed. I don't feel like I can learn much more after this trip. I felt I seen and felt "it all". Ego death 100%. There's not much more I need, at least for a while.

Now I want to see crazy, bizarre, trippy shit, lol. Less deep and intelligent than the last one, if you will.




Doesn't work like that.  Once in a while, if you trip a lot, you'll see the really weird shit.  Practice helps - i.e., trip a lot, and up the dosage if you like, allow plenty of time in between, you might get there. :shrug:

Actually, lucid dreaming can get you that with a lot less trouble though. :thumbup:

P.Zapp gave some good advice on how to intensify the visuals, if that turns out to be your thing. :thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22302099 - 09/28/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I find relaxation helps a lot.

Personally I eat about 50 wet grams a week.  I get good visuals every time if I can relax.  If I have company over or my mind is otherwise preoccupied I don't get as many visuals.

Weed on the comedown is good too.


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Re: How to See Clear Open and Closed Eye Visuals? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22303097 - 09/28/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I get good visuals every time if I can relax.  If I have company over or my mind is otherwise preoccupied I don't get as many visuals.




Me too :yesnod:


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