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LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER
    #22294681 - 09/26/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)





    DRAGO = LSD
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22294878 - 09/26/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like LSD more if it didn't dumb me down for a month


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22294988 - 09/26/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck yeah @ vid. I love shrooms so much more than lsd. I just feel so happy and spiritual on them. I don't feel spiritual on LSD, I'm either paranoid or wanna party and fuck. I think it's because my first lsd trip was kinda bad. I won't quit on acid though, I'm still doing it so I can feel what others feel. I think I just need to up the dose.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Kinshino] * 1
    #22295067 - 09/26/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really like the drowsiness and indecisive nature of shrooms. The trip seems to do a weird wavering thing in the latter half too.

LSD has always been a long, smooth, consistent trip for me, and with plenty of energy. It may not have the spiritual potential of mushrooms, but I feel that mushrooms don't have the logical and philosophical potential of LSD. With a lysergamide you get the combined tryptamine and phenethylamine experience, with plenty of serotonin receptor activity to boot.

To each their own, though. It's all a matter of personal taste and what you're looking to get out of the trip. Saying that one is 'better' than the other is nonsense.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22295327 - 09/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Better is subjective but I would say mushrooms are far safer than lsd.

Mainly due to potency but also do to one being natural and one synthetic. I have eaten to much mushrooms and to much L before and I would way rather black out on shrooms again than L. I actually had a pretty good time on the mushrooms even though I don't remember it. L made me feel crazy, literally. Not to mention had a way longer lasting negative effect. The mushrooms weren't even negative, just too intense. They were actually the most positive thing I have ever experienced. While blacked out on cyans I turned into pure energy and felt pure love and bliss. On L I got stuck in an infinite time loop of the same 5-10 seconds....

All that said I don't intend to ever black out on psychs again, it is pretty scare wondering where you might have gone while you were out :eek:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22295400 - 09/26/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking on LSD is pretty spiritual to me, and partying can be a form of worship, just ask Dionysus.  :lol: 

I love L, probably prefer tripping on it personally but I've gotta say that mushrooms are more convenient, versatile and a better entheogen.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22295438 - 09/26/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Better is subjective but I would say mushrooms are far safer than lsd.

Mainly due to potency but also do to one being natural and one synthetic. I have eaten to much mushrooms and to much L before and I would way rather black out on shrooms again than L. I actually had a pretty good time on the mushrooms even though I don't remember it. L made me feel crazy, literally. Not to mention had a way longer lasting negative effect. The mushrooms weren't even negative, just too intense. They were actually the most positive thing I have ever experienced. While blacked out on cyans I turned into pure energy and felt pure love and bliss. On L I got stuck in an infinite time loop of the same 5-10 seconds....

All that said I don't intend to ever black out on psychs again, it is pretty scare wondering where you might have gone while you were out :eek:




LSD is semi-synthetic, and it likely has an even larger therapeutic index than psilocin. Also, potency only presents a danger if you have crystal or concentrated liquid, both of which are rare and expensive. Even then you would only have an overly intense experience and be fried for a while. There isn't really any physical risk from mushrooms or LSD.

I do agree that a bad LSD trip is much worse than a bad mushroom trip. It lasts longer and the serotonin rush makes in almost impossible to pass out.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22295465 - 09/26/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SleepyE]
    #22295472 - 09/26/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lsd is like a bay-blade without a spirit monster, it has no soul


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SleepyE]
    #22295592 - 09/26/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey I love them Both But the LSD this Summer/fall HAS BEEN :mindblown::hahyeahwoo::seriousthumbsup::trippnballs: LSD is spiritual sounds like your doses need to be higher or better quality :lsdabc:!


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22295595 - 09/26/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I used to say semi synthetic too but it doesn't make sense to me. Something either occurs naturally or it doesn't :shrug:

LSA is organic, LSD is synthesized in labs. I will admit out of all the "rc's" it is probably one of the most "organic" so to speak.

I have witnessed others have bad L experiences too and it is always terrible, not that mushrooms can't be either they just are more "friendly" usually.

Also I agree about L being more recreational.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22295626 - 09/26/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i have had crazy good lsd and at pretty high doses and i just cant get past a level 3 experience so to me its not worth my time


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SleepyE]
    #22295645 - 09/26/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Of course you're going to get disappointing results if you use LSD like mushrooms, they're two completely different drugs. LSD, for the most part, isn't a spiritual, soul searching drug, it's an intellectual, creative drug. Traditional entheogens like mushrooms and entactogens like MDMA are ideal for solving emotional and personal problems, but they pale in comparison to LSD when it comes to logical and abstract problems.

A scalpel works great for surgery, but if you try to cut down a tree with one, you'll get nowhere and look like an idiot. That's not the scalpel's fault, it's yours for using it improperly.

If you think LSD is a party drug, then you should try a different approach, and if you think it's weak you should find a better contact.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: superbob57]
    #22295649 - 09/26/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anything can be spiritual if you make it, one could argue the best spirituality is drug free :shrug: or the most natural or something.

I too have had very high L doses and never had much of a spiritual experience like on tryptamines :shrug:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22295654 - 09/26/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not  better or worse....just different...:wonka:

.....but I like Rockys method :bigyesnod:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22295674 - 09/26/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Traditional entheogens like mushrooms and entactogens like MDMA are ideal for solving emotional and personal problems, but they pale in comparison to LSD when it comes to logical and abstract problems.





I dont think thats necessarily true, both are increasing pattern recognition. Lsd just doesnt tickle the receptors in the way that DMT, mushrooms, amt, etc do. you can tell by the difference in introspective feelings. with simple tryptamines i feel like i have been washed clean. when i take lsd it feels like i took drugs, there is no reset feeling.

it doesnt have that born again feeling that DMTs closest cousins have


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SleepyE] * 3
    #22295683 - 09/26/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To me LSD is the commercial psychedelic experience. It's a cheap and strong psychedelic that can make you realize a bunch of stuff about yourself and the universe however something lacks for me. It's more of a drug to me than any other psychedelic due to the fact that I feel intoxicated while on it. I feel like I am within the human mind on LSD while on mushrooms I feel like Im within something greater. Mushrooms seem like the genuine psychedelic experience. Very deep, very philosophical, very meaningful,and serious yet silly and hilarious at the same time. The closed eyed visuals on mushrooms are way better than the ones on LSD. I sometimes go to other universes on mushrooms with my eyes closed while LSD just shows me fractals. The body high on mushrooms is way better than the LSD body high as well. LSD makes me feel like im buzzing and/or fading away while Mushrooms make me feel like im made of jello. Mushrooms win, they are my favorite substance in existence after DMT.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22295685 - 09/26/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22295738 - 09/26/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.




I agree 100%
Roughly 1000ug of LSD for me had nothing on 7+ grams of mushrooms


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Filterhead462] * 3
    #22295818 - 09/26/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You guys hit the nail on the coffin. I just don't feel that love on LSD like I do on shrooms. And I find it awesome that shrooms can repair brain cells. You can feel the change from the afterglow. Never get that good afterglow on acid. And I like that I can sleep like a baby on shrooms. I will stay up all night on LSD.

Not trying to bash acid or nothin, I just prefer some good ole' shrooms.

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Filterhead462]
    #22295832 - 09/26/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, I wouldn't say that  1mg of LSD is going to give one LIFE SHATTERING Experience and half OZ of shrooms will have you doing the Same!:trippnballs::seriousthumbsup: Heroic! Almost way too much in my book...


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Kinshino]
    #22295845 - 09/26/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

thanks Kinshino

its almost done, should upload the current version


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22296064 - 09/26/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lsd has the best afterglow and most love. Actually my best afterglow was from dosing mushrooms and acid in the same week.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22296089 - 09/26/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have never gotten much of an afterglow or hangover from L, mushrooms is all afterglow though.

Pure love with shrooms too, I feel the opposite as you :lol:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #22296193 - 09/26/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also music is wayyyyyy more awesome sounding on acid. I dont know whats wrong with you guys lsd has always showed me the most love, it makes me appreciate and love life.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22296209 - 09/26/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And shrooms don't do any of that?

:lol:

How much have you eaten shrooms and how have have you dosed L? They both are capable of a lot clearly shrooms just feel smoother and more natural & organic.

To me at least.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22296426 - 09/26/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Brain chemistry wise LSD leaves me feeling awful afterward, and a mushroom trip sets me right.  I'll usually microdose mushrooms the day after an acid trip just to get the anti-depressant effects.

A thing about LSD, for me, is that the visuals and the way you experience music is so sublime and beautiful that it becomes spiritual.  The most spiritual LSD sessions I've had have been when the visuals I've gotten from it were so sublimely beautiful and synergized with the music so well that they took my breath away and absolutely filled me with awe and wonder.  The visuals were literaly so pretty that they brought tears to my eyes.  It helps to listen to spiritual, uplifting music rather than party music, I have to say that listening to Beethoven's late quartets after smoking weed and dropping 120+mcgs of LSD is a profoundly moving, religious experience for me.   

Mushrooms slay your ego and put you into a mystical state where your brain is forced into a religious experience, they basically directly hack your religious circuits and make you feel the awe directly, but with LSD if you're going to feel awe it's less direct, more cerebral and it will be mediated by your higher functioning mind, you have to do some work to get there. 

It would be interesting to see brain scans of LSD vs. Mushrooms, I have a feeling that mushrooms are shutting down more of the higher level, critical reasoning parts of the mind and magnifying the emotional, religious and more primitive parts of the mind, whereas LSD is creating a lot of inter-connectivity and exciting many areas, including the higher cognitive ones, eliding the senses together in synaesthesia and overall being more stimulating than incapacitating. 

Thus, the psilocybin experience has a more visceral, emotional and direct divinity and LSD has a more cerebral, refined and delicate divinity; with psilocybin you have no choice but to accept the spiritual lessons you're given, with LSD you're given the tools to find the lessons, but you have to do the work yourself.  LSD gives you much more control over your trip, you feel like you're in the driver's seat, so I think that perhaps when given the choice, some people are choosing to be more hedonistic with their LSD usage, even though if they really chose to take their trip in a spiritual direction, they very easily could.  Any idiot with 5g of mushrooms can see the face of God, it takes some finesse and experience in the art of tripping to get there with LSD.  :shrug:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22296582 - 09/26/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms do all of that..i still say the music is a bit better on acid though. I wouldn't say acid is a superior psychedelic i just enjoy it more personally. I love mushrooms i don't them nearly as often though.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22296607 - 09/26/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Visuals are strange on LSD for me, I need weed to get them whereas mushrooms they always come at decent doses
IMO if I have to smoke weed to really get most out of a psych it's not worth it, I hate the fact that I'm not just on the one substance


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22296639 - 09/27/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats the most L you have taken though? L can produce insane visuals on its own. I have been at many festivals walking around with people at night where people literally can't see, not becouse its dark but becouse there entire vision is just lit up and blocking them from actually seeing much :lol: everyone is different though, who knows :shrug:

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Shrooms do all of that..i still say the music is a bit better on acid though. I wouldn't say acid is a superior psychedelic i just enjoy it more personally. I love mushrooms i don't them nearly as often though.




I find L way more recreational so it goes great listening to music. Mushrooms can too but I feel like I am distracting myself from more important things.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22296654 - 09/27/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

5 hits is the most ive done i dont know how many mics though atleast 250 id imagine.. Never dosed very hight with mushrooms 2.5 grams of cyans/azurescens was one of my harder mushroom trips.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22296790 - 09/27/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is very much just a matter of everyones personal opinion. IMO lsd an mushrooms are very different. Its like comparing apples to oranges, yes they're both fruit but they have completely different effects.

  I personally have always liked lsd more then mushrooms. Dispite what I've read on the interwebz about lsd not being spiritual IME lsd can be very spiritual. If you put yourself in that mind set then thats how its going to go.


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    #22296928 - 09/27/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Every drug is "synthetic".... either biological synthesized or laboratory synthesized.  To believe that biological molecules are somehow better is silly and short sighted, keeping in mind that the most potent truly horrific toxins known are naturally occurring on this planet(in seaweed).

If you broaden your thoughts to the far reaches of the universe, well its almost a certainty that molecules like lsd, MDMA e.t.c will have come together outside the hands of monkeys.

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22297005 - 09/27/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It does mean something. Things either naturally occur or they don't.

I didn't say it makes one better than the other necessarily, though I do think mushrooms feel much more natural than L personally.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22298659 - 09/27/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I total disagree with the natrul synthetic "feel" psyilocybin can be synthetically made in a lab.

If one where to be given two different trips one trip with a pill containing natural extracted psylocybin and another with synthetic i would bet there would be no way to tell the difference.

Drugs are chemicals that work in our bodies and brains it doesnt matter if the chemical was produced in a plant or in a lab they are all results of chemical reactions.





For me the potential for spirituality occus in both mushrooms and lsd but the exp is going to (like any psychedelic) highly rely on the trippers set and setting.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #22298677 - 09/27/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yup. If I could give you some of of natures creations in a blind test, you wouldnt' be able to guess lab or plant based.


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    #22299237 - 09/27/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LSD is very hard to synthesize. You need training, skill and practice. You need a lot of equipment. You need patience. All these are in short supply at all times in all places. Therefore most of the LSD on the street is poor quality produced by amateurs. A lot of them are cutting corners either because they don't know any better or they feel it is more cost effective. And corners are not all they cut. They cut their product too, with stuff that costs less to make or procure. So the poor customer doesn't know what he/she is getting half the time (to speak conservatively).

With mushrooms, we (at least those of us who grow our own) eliminate the middlemen--ie., the mostly would-be chemists and the dealers/pushers. Our chemist is expert. She has been at it for millions of years. She doesn't cut corners or product. She doesn't have to. She knows what she's doing, has all she needs in the way of time and material to get the job done. And what she makes she gives freely and the grade is always premium.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom]
    #22299303 - 09/27/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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most of the LSD on the street is poor quality produced by amateurs.




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    #22299479 - 09/27/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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most of the LSD on the street is poor quality produced by amateurs.




I'd disagree



Same.  If you had taken any of the good acid that went around this summer you would not be saying that.  Best acid I've had in years and years.


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    #22300040 - 09/27/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol


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    #22300088 - 09/27/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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To me LSD is the commercial psychedelic experience. It's a cheap and strong psychedelic that can make you realize a bunch of stuff about yourself and the universe however something lacks for me. It's more of a drug to me than any other psychedelic due to the fact that I feel intoxicated while on it. I feel like I am within the human mind on LSD while on mushrooms I feel like Im within something greater. Mushrooms seem like the genuine psychedelic experience. Very deep, very philosophical, very meaningful,and serious yet silly and hilarious at the same time. The closed eyed visuals on mushrooms are way better than the ones on LSD. I sometimes go to other universes on mushrooms with my eyes closed while LSD just shows me fractals. The body high on mushrooms is way better than the LSD body high as well. LSD makes me feel like im buzzing and/or fading away while Mushrooms make me feel like im made of jello. Mushrooms win, they are my favorite substance in existence after DMT.




i agree with this and i love the silly aspect of mushrooms but also I felt from the very beginning that LSD lacked the body high of natural psychedelics and that kills it for me.

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22300159 - 09/27/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wtf how do you guys not get a body high on lsd? To me lsd feels amazing body highwise its like almost mdma


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #22300179 - 09/27/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Agree with many above statements. Research chemicals posing as LSD are very common nowadays, and many people here may have experienced some of these synthetics and thought it was LSD because that's what they were told.. (2CI,2CB,2CE,2CP,25I, etc)
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True LSD has never given me extra fatigue, mental dis-clarity, robbed me of the ability to carry on my life the next day, or any negative side effects at that. I have dosed from 125-250m's to 800m's+ many MANY tens of times and experienced all my normal physicality as if life was never interrupted.
REAL LSD is uniquely stimulating and highly revealing from each person to the next, just like our lovely Mushies. The journey's are different but the result is the same.
Of course trip characteristics are different; and I've experiences many similar to what's been said by others here; but my concern is that what they have taken is not pure LSD-25 and are assigning negative connotations when, in fact, they did not take true LSD.
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    #22300235 - 09/27/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can we also keep in mind that psychoactive drugs work differently for everyone? Just because a drug doesn't do much for you doesn't mean it's a shitty drug, it's just a shitty drug for you. Set and setting as well as confirmation bias also need to be taken into account. If you take LSD expecting it to feel shallow and unnatural because it's synthesized, then it probably will be. The placebo effect is particularly pronounced when it comes to psychedelics because of the increase in suggestibility they cause.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
    #22300269 - 09/27/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Wtf how do you guys not get a body high on lsd? To me lsd feels amazing body highwise its like almost mdma




Well, to be fair I do get a body from LSD but it always konks out on me right after the peak. I remember once taking a fairly strong  dose andf feeling like my body was ddissolving in an ocean of bliss and thinking "this is gonna be one awesome trip" but then instead of getting more awesome it just faded away right before my eyes.

With mushrooms the body high lasts most of the trip.


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Every drug is "synthetic".... either biological synthesized or laboratory synthesized.  To believe that biological molecules are somehow better is silly and short sighted, keeping in mind that the most potent truly horrific toxins known are naturally occurring on this planet(in seaweed).

If you broaden your thoughts to the far reaches of the universe, well its almost a certainty that molecules like lsd, MDMA e.t.c will have come together outside the hands of monkeys.

This synthetic thing means nothing




I respect your opinion, but disagree with it. The fact that the most potent toxins occur naturally in no way disproves the theory that natural entheogens are better.

I will also say that I used to think like you, I used to think what difference does it make where a chemical comes from and made no distintction between natural and synthetic drugs. But after actually experiencing a host of drugs, I came to realize the natural ones were usually better.
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    #22300284 - 09/27/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Can we also keep in mind that psychoactive drugs work differently for everyone? Just because a drug doesn't do much for you doesn't mean it's a shitty drug, it's just a shitty drug for you. Set and setting as well as confirmation bias also need to be taken into account. If you take LSD expecting it to feel shallow and unnatural because it's synthesized, then it probably will be. The placebo effect is particularly pronounced when it comes to psychedelics because of the increase in suggestibility they cause.




Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.

One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22300455 - 09/27/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.

One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.




Are you just referring to a select few of naturally occurring molecules that you find enjoyable? of the 100s out there. What about scopolamine? salvinorium a? cocaine? cathinones? Those drugs suck and/or are pretty damn destructive.


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    #22300546 - 09/27/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol




I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."

And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise


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    #22300586 - 09/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lsd wasn't made from man...it was divine intervention :rofl:


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    #22300587 - 09/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.

One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.




Are you just referring to a select few of naturally occurring molecules that you find enjoyable? of the 100s out there. What about scopolamine? salvinorium a? cocaine? cathinones? Those drugs suck and/or are pretty damn destructive.




I think its pretty clear this is a discussion about natural psychedelics. Salvia has a bad rap becouse it is used wrong and commonly abused.

You could say the same about scopolamine :shrug: What sucks about salvia?

:lol: It is the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen and has a beautiful history of ceremonial use.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom]
    #22300607 - 09/27/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol




I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."

And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise




Can you cite any examples of real LSD being cut with other substances or tainted with dangerous impurities? Of course there are always things being sold as something that they're not, but if you take the effort to find a reliable contact and test your drugs, then that's not a problem. Mushrooms can be confused with similar looking poisonous species or be infected with toxic mold. Any drug has it's risks, that's why you need to be a responsible and discerning user.


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    #22300611 - 09/27/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you gonna tell us scopolamine and cocaine are better than lsd because they're natural?


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    #22300621 - 09/27/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm3:

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I think its pretty clear this is a discussion about natural psychedelics.




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Are you gonna tell us scopolamine and cocaine are better than lsd because they're natural?




That is like comparing apples and potatoes :lol:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22300690 - 09/27/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, the point is saying natural is better than synthetic is dumb...even if you're just referring to psychedelics.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22300715 - 09/27/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Care to quote me as to where I said either was better?

What I did say was naturally occuring psychs feel more organic to me which is true and no I was not biased, I use to love L. I ate my fair share when I was younger.

But I realized overtime I did not really like it as much as I thought. Now I would much rather take some LSA or something else the majority of the time :shrug:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22300728 - 09/27/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm3:  The point was that you can't say O I like shrooms and dmt natural drugs are better... In bringing up those other substances I was illustrating the fact that that many people ignore the questionable chemistry nature does and focus on rare structures are that are enjoyable and desirable.  Yes you may like naturally occurring substances better but the fact that the are naturally occurring is not WHY they are better.

.. I know alot more people that dislike salvia than like it.

It is a very primitive, human centred notion to somehow think that this chemistry is done in these plants for YOU, and not for the species itself.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22300741 - 09/27/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:goodluckwiththat:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22300754 - 09/27/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug:In your previous comments you do talk a bit about lsd being synthetic and shrooms being natural...but no you didn't directly say one was better...you do however only seem to say mostly negative things about L.

Edit: Actually you did say mushrooms are safer because of potency and the fact that they are natural...so yeah that is kind of ignorant to say.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22300767 - 09/27/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

4-aco-dmt is synthetic and i find no difference between using that and mushrooms,

4-aco-dmt feels natural probably because it breaks down into psilocin if i understand correctly.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22300866 - 09/27/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol




I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."

And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise




Mushrooms can be confused with similar looking poisonous species or be infected with toxic mold. Any drug has it's risks, that's why you need to be a responsible and discerning user.




Mushrooms can be homegrown. You will not be confused by similar looking poisonous species when you grow your own. The ratio of people who can grow their own mushrooms to those who can synthesize their own LSD is What? 100,000/1 ?  And, tell me, how can you test your LSD except by getting it some way into your blood stream?

Sunff of this. Let us agree to differ. There is a reason you like LSD. There is a reason I like psilocybin. Good enough.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22300899 - 09/27/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:shrug:In your previous comments you do talk a bit about lsd being synthetic and shrooms being natural...but no you didn't directly say one was better...you do however only seem to say mostly negative things about L.

Edit: Actually you did say mushrooms are safer because of potency and the fact that they are natural...so yeah that is kind of ignorant to say.




It is not ignorant, I said earlier I have seen people overdose on acid and mushrooms, hell I have blacked out on both myself.

So I have some experience to base what I am saying on... I did say I personally prefer mushrooms but I also said I use to love L :shrug:

I have known several people who were permanently changed in a negative way after bad acid experiences from massively overdoing it. Yet to see mushrooms do that.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom]
    #22300906 - 09/27/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have you not heard of reagent testing kits? They're cheap and commonly available on the internet.

http://www.eztest.com/product/ez-test-for-lsd/


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom] * 1
    #22300938 - 09/27/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Threads like this reek of the naturalistic fallacy.  There are synthetic chemicals that are harmless and perfectly natural folk remedies that give you cancer, just look at perfectly safe synthetic vitamin C vs. the now known carcinogen and erstwhile folk remedy ginseng. 

Chemistry and biology decide what is good for your body, not whether it is "organic," "natural" or synthetic.  Synthesis just means "combination or composition," in other words, created with chemistry, so in that sense all chemicals are ultimately synthetic, for they have to have been synthesized at some point, whether in a lab or in a plant's cells. 

Ergot is a lot more natural than LSD, and I'd take frying balls over St. Anthony's fire any day.  It's fine to prefer one drug over the other because you like the effects or one has fewer side effects than the other, but to prefer drugs because they're "natural" is idiotic and irrational.  As was stated earlier, there are plenty of safe synthetic drugs and a plethora of dangerous natural ones.

I will agree that LSD is more dangerous than psilocybin, it seems to re-wire the brain more permanently and doesn't give me that refreshing "reset" feeling that mushrooms do, but for that matter neither does mescaline. 

For me, mushrooms are like eating your pyschic vegetables, it isn't always fun but it's good for you, LSD is more like a rich steak, it's good for you every once in a while and you wouldn't want to overdo it, but damn does it taste good.  :lol:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22300993 - 09/27/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LSD is awesome. Shrooms are awesome in a different, kinda creepier way.
I came to the conclusion I preferred LSD, but I'm aching to try shrooms again soon, see whether my tastes have changed at all.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Ezuma]
    #22301186 - 09/28/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22301272 - 09/28/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.



:whathesaid:
I agree with this, I have a deep love for mushrooms but I just prefer LSD these days. I think its because I kind of burnt my self out on them eating truck loads of the fuckin things and kind of lost the magic. But I love them equally for sure. They are two different chemicals, one is no better than the other. They are both beautiful gems in my opinion :shrug:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22301636 - 09/28/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I like both....but....

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THE MUSH COMES ACROSS THE PSYCHEDELIC OCEANS TO DELIVER THE PROMISE OF SPIRITUAL
RES:mindexpanding:ERECTION.....:bigyesnod:

...I do love the audio L gives me....no afterglow or sleep kinda sux....

.....wait for it.........

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22302430 - 09/28/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.




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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22302496 - 09/28/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My preference is mushrooms. You also have to take into account that every (body) is different and different things react in different ways.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22303849 - 09/28/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.

I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22304291 - 09/28/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no definitive answer to this question. Psychedelic experiences are subjective, and preferences will vary from person to person. As far as I'm concerned, shrooms suck. They give me an uncomfortable & confusing trip with no lasting worthwhile introspection. I may try them again at some point...probably will. But LSD will always be #1 for me. No other substance gives me that level of introspection. My LSD are super spiritual, full of crystal clarity, inner connection, universal connections, love, and personal insight. The majority are also a lot of fun, and the visuals/full sensory experience is incredible. There's really nothing like it.

To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy. :lol:
Regarding the natural is better argument; total horseshit that shows a total  lack of knowledge regarding psychopharmacology. What a joke. Saying you prefer them is one thing. Shrooms work better for some people, that's a fact & if you're one of those people that's cool. All this " all synthetics are missing blah blah blah" crap though.... Nope. Misinformation with no basis in reality.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22304572 - 09/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just end up staring at the patterns with L in the second half of my trips. Wishing for sleep and the damn thing to end already. And then afterwards I feel confused and edgy for a good long while, sometimes days depending on the dose. Whereas with shrooms I can have a blasting good time and then go to bed, tripping balls or not. When I wake I feel invigorated and invariably better than I did before, somehow.

Down in the mushroom forests in SW Australia there are plenty of people who have eaten that one too many megadoses of shrooms and never really came right afterwards, it's scary to see. So I have a lot of respect for the stuff. I really don't want to be one of those guys.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22304596 - 09/28/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy. :lol:




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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22304606 - 09/28/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.

I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol




I have had the opposite expereince. L is so mentally stimulating it mindfucks me very easily, mushrooms even when things start feeling negative I can just put positive energy out and almost instantly be feeling good again. I was at a festival years ago with two friends on an 8th each of some very visual cubes, anyways my friend lost a ton of his stuff by losing a backpack and we walked around for hours trying to find it, it started bringing us down then we just started putting a bunch of positive energy out and everything was great again :shrug:

On L we probably would have been wigging out at all the shit he lost and annoyed we wasted so much time trying to help him find his shit.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22304860 - 09/28/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.

I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol




I have had the opposite expereince. L is so mentally stimulating it mindfucks me very easily, mushrooms even when things start feeling negative I can just put positive energy out and almost instantly be feeling good again. I was at a festival years ago with two friends on an 8th each of some very visual cubes, anyways my friend lost a ton of his stuff by losing a backpack and we walked around for hours trying to find it, it started bringing us down then we just started putting a bunch of positive energy out and everything was great again :shrug:

On L we probably would have been wigging out at all the shit he lost and annoyed we wasted so much time trying to help him find his shit.



Do you smoke weed on L?  I find there is very little mind-fuck with LSD until you smoke weed, then suddenly you go full-retard. 
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22304881 - 09/28/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no definitive answer to this question. Psychedelic experiences are subjective, and preferences will vary from person to person. As far as I'm concerned, shrooms suck. They give me an uncomfortable & confusing trip with no lasting worthwhile introspection. I may try them again at some point...probably will. But LSD will always be #1 for me. No other substance gives me that level of introspection. My LSD are super spiritual, full of crystal clarity, inner connection, universal connections, love, and personal insight. The majority are also a lot of fun, and the visuals/full sensory experience is incredible. There's really nothing like it.

To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy. :lol:
Regarding the natural is better argument; total horseshit that shows a total  lack of knowledge regarding psychopharmacology. What a joke. Saying you prefer them is one thing. Shrooms work better for some people, that's a fact & if you're one of those people that's cool. All this " all synthetics are missing blah blah blah" crap though.... Nope. Misinformation with no basis in reality.





What is reality? You sound quite confident that you know what reality is.

It's funny you begin your post with "psychedelic experience are subjective" and then end with that.

First of when people say natural is better we are not saying eating any chemical that occurs is nature is healthier for you than anything man made.

We are saying something more like, our intuition and experience seems to tell us that there is a natural balance with the body that exists between natural plant enthegoens and the human body and this balance is absent with synthetic chemicals.

That is our experience and it is just as valid as anyone elses experience and the simple fact of the matter is that you can't prove it false with any amount of "psychopharmacology" because unless you have full knowledge of the nature of man and the nature of God/the universe, how could you possibly answer a question like this for certain one way or the other?

Fact is, you can't. Fact is, psychedelic experience is subjective as you say. Some people prefer synthetics, others believe they lack something. End of story. Why you gotta go disrespecting us? I don't disrespect your opinion if you think synthetic is the same or better. I note your opinion and move on. I may disagree with it, but I am going to claim you dont know what youre talking and need to study "psycho pharmacology" witch btw, is just another human invention.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22304912 - 09/28/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Threads like this reek of the naturalistic fallacy.  There are synthetic chemicals that are harmless and perfectly natural folk remedies that give you cancer, just look at perfectly safe synthetic vitamin C vs. the now known carcinogen and erstwhile folk remedy ginseng. 

Chemistry and biology decide what is good for your body, not whether it is "organic," "natural" or synthetic.  Synthesis just means "combination or composition," in other words, created with chemistry, so in that sense all chemicals are ultimately synthetic, for they have to have been synthesized at some point, whether in a lab or in a plant's cells. 

Ergot is a lot more natural than LSD, and I'd take frying balls over St. Anthony's fire any day.  It's fine to prefer one drug over the other because you like the effects or one has fewer side effects than the other, but to prefer drugs because they're "natural" is idiotic and irrational.  As was stated earlier, there are plenty of safe synthetic drugs and a plethora of dangerous natural ones.

I will agree that LSD is more dangerous than psilocybin, it seems to re-wire the brain more permanently and doesn't give me that refreshing "reset" feeling that mushrooms do, but for that matter neither does mescaline. 

For me, mushrooms are like eating your pyschic vegetables, it isn't always fun but it's good for you, LSD is more like a rich steak, it's good for you every once in a while and you wouldn't want to overdo it, but damn does it taste good.  :lol:





No it's not "idiotic and irrational" or maybe it isn't rational actually but rational may not be the best thing to be. I am going to leave this debate with a quote from one of history's great mushroom philosophers, Jacob Boehme.

"Man in his cosmic aspect is a being very superior to that which is commonly looked upon as a "man," and which is described in books on anthropology, anatomy, &c. Such external sciences deal only with the grossly material body of external terrestrial man, while the essential body of macrocosmic and microcosmic man is beyond the reach of external observation. In the study of man as a cosmic being there are three subjects to be considered, although the three are only three aspects of one. These three subjects are God, Nature, and Man, and neither one of them can be understood in its inner essence without an understanding of the other two. External science, "natural philosophy," and theology seek to separate them. They regard man as a being separated, distinct, and independent of nature, and nature as something independent of man; while of God they know nothing, and regard the divine power, which is the cause of all life, as if it were something external to nature and man, and beyond their reach. For this reason the "man" of modern science has become an unnatural being, without any conceivable object for his existence, and nature is to him an organism evolved by accidence and subject to no other than mechanically acting law. The divine, spiritual, creative, and hidden powers in man and in nature are entirely removed from the field of perception of the "rationalist.""

Last sentence bolded a reason.

I used to be a rationalist, but thankfully psychedelics helped me go beyond rationalism. Now I am able to learn all sorts of things from my intuitive faculties which used to be off limits to me because they couldn't be arrived at rationally.

One of the thigns I have learned is that the body was made to ingest natural substances and there is a natural balance between my body mind and natural entheogens which does not exist with LSD. Doesn't mean LSD is bad, or that you can't have the time of your life on LSD. It just means I don't prefer it.

My experience is just as valid as anyone elses. Not going to say its more valid. If LSD feels good and natural to you, thats your reality and thats fine. We each live in our own reality with its own rules.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22304946 - 09/28/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In the past I have pretty much been very stoned every time I have tripped, or at least somewhat stoned.

I have definitely considered that playing a role, I have gotten the very distinct message in the past that I should separate the two for deeper experiences.

I have seen people lose their shit off of one strong hit though, too be fair he was also pretty drunk which definitely contributed. Was horrible though.

I just have more negative L experiences than mushrooms I guess, I have had many great experiences on both over the years I just realized I prefer the latter.

I have been wanting to get more into LSA though or try some L for the first time in at least a year. I would rather take the time to try mescaline though.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22305209 - 09/28/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is.  It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME.  Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting.  It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience.  Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly.  You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22305253 - 09/28/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have had some great experiences on it, only one or two "bad" ones and they were more of overdoses :lol:

I know a lot of other people who have taken to much to fast and lost their shit too though, cannabis was probably involved wit them all though.

Personally I don't drink much, and I always enjoyed smoking during all my trips really. So I usually smoked a ton extra and had a blast.

Next time I take L I will try to do it on its own though as I intend to sober up more in general and have been on a long psych break.

I have candied flipped a couple times too, once with sass years ago. Definitely a fun mix, too much of either would burn me out hardcore though.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #22305383 - 09/28/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't it rational to think that natural is always best. Could God have worked through albert hoffman and sent us LSD? Almost every where on the planet there are psychedelics for humans to find/eat. Now there are large citys and highways all over the place (thus a void for psychedelics to be found). Maybe LSD is a God send.:shrug: Just a thought.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22305440 - 09/28/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well Here is how the main man here says: :tmckenna: Well mushrooms are older and have more knowledge then LSD, LSD hasn't been around nearly as LONG as the mushroom. Different knowledge banks for sure, acid has style of it own. God it is so electric!!!:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22305562 - 09/28/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have had a similiar thought that lsd is like a semi recreational psyche for the masses. But anyone can grow mushrooms too :shrug:


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    #22305609 - 09/28/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All psychedelics seem to be somewhat recreational...some more than others. It doesn't seem like mushrooms were very popular in western society back then. I'm not sure if they were or not, iv'e always wondered about that.


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    #22305675 - 09/28/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well anything can be recreational when used that way, I mainly meant a psych you can take lightly somewhat like at a party or just to have fun.

As apposed to say ayahuasca, mushrooms can be pretty recreational in ways too but if you don't take them seriously they will eventually make you :lol:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22305717 - 09/28/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you think plant based drugs have more balance or whatever, it's a coincidence, it is not because they are plant based.

I understand the feeling you are connecting to shrooms.. but I definitely don't have that on say mescaline, which feels way more like lsd to me.


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    #22305771 - 09/28/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, mescaline totally makes that argument invalid because peyote is a natural, holy plant that is very, very similar to LSD in its effects and the one time I've taken it, it was fucking party time.  I'll approach it shamanically some day and I'm sure it will be spiritual, but it is so freaking similar to LSD, and doesn't feel any more "natural" to me.  Maybe people are getting shitty acid.  :shrug:

Mushrooms are older so they gots more knowledge?
:okthatsfunny:

Psilocybin and LSD have different effects, it has to do with molecular structure not molecular memory, you are welcome to prefer one or the other, but a better understanding of their individual psychopharmacology will yield more insight into the best way to use them and why they work differently than saying that God made the mushrooms smarter so they're better.  Good Christ what a bunch of horse shit. 

No sense fighting the irrational I suppose.  I'm overdue both a mushroom trip as well as an LSD session, and I'd really love to have the chance to combine the both.  I will say one last time, for those who haven't had spiritual encounters on LSD, the problem is you, not LSD.  Leary started an LSD religion and I've never heard the voice of God more strongly than on LSD. 

Ideally, one should be capable of having spiritual experiences sober, through meditation and other spiritual practices and just cultivating a positive, spiritual philosophy of a mindful, joyful and awe-filed life.  When you are able to do so and then take psychedelics with a spiritual intent, they make it even easier and you can have consistently spiritual trips. 

When I set aside the time to do a shamanic trip on mushrooms, then I have a spiritual experience.  If I approach them with the mindset of "let's have some fun," then I have some fun.  In this sense, ritual is crucial to the difference.  Do LSD with ritual intent, treat it with reverence and as a sacrament, listen to holy, sacred music on it and come back to me with your results. 

Sure, mushrooms are way easier to get a spiritual experience from then LSD and LSD makes it easier to have a spiritual experience than being sober, but just because mushrooms are like Spiritual Awakenings for Dummies doesn't mean they're more holy, it means that you're being lazy.
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    #22307051 - 09/29/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is.  It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME.  Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting.  It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience.  Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly.  You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.
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Yeah...I don't drink or smoke weed, so....neither of them affect my trips ...I have no idea, nor do I wish to find out how they would affect my trip....Like I said earlier, LSD has always been clean and happy for me. Keep in mind, though, that I trip only once or twice a year.:sunny::peace:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22308354 - 09/29/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I LOVE them both, but i gotta say I like lsd more. It's such a silky smooth and clean trip for me, i have the greatest of times. When i take mushrooms i trip out on the fact they grow wild and I picked these things and now I'm enjoying the experience. 4-po-dmt and 4-ho-dmt wrapped up in 1 package.

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: rickjamez20]
    #22308385 - 09/29/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I gotta say if there were REAL DEAL LUCY around then for sure lysergic over reg ole shroomies, prob is without a bunk police test kit you may get nbome's, or some other fucken nasty, those precursors to make good lucy are not easy attained i'm told, kinda like ludes.


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    #22308461 - 09/29/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ha ha. Actually it has been a couple years. I'll be around Astoria this fall for sure. There are some fun guys to hang with there for sure. The most potent species anywhere according to mycologists. I'm a believer.

A buddy claims that the most potent fungi(hallucinogenic) is right in the pacific northwest? Anyone that can enlighten me on this?
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Yah azures are the most potent and special to Astoria. So many people go to pick there they have increased the rangers and patrol over the years


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    #22318024 - 10/01/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I just end up staring at the patterns with L in the second half of my trips. Wishing for sleep and the damn thing to end already. And then afterwards I feel confused and edgy for a good long while, sometimes days depending on the dose. Whereas with shrooms I can have a blasting good time and then go to bed, tripping balls or not. When I wake I feel invigorated and invariably better than I did before, somehow.

Down in the mushroom forests in SW Australia there are plenty of people who have eaten that one too many megadoses of shrooms and never really came right afterwards, it's scary to see. So I have a lot of respect for the stuff. I really don't want to be one of those guys.




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    #22318047 - 10/01/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is.  It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME.  Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting.  It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience.  Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly.  You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.
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    #22318072 - 10/01/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, mescaline totally makes that argument invalid because peyote is a natural, holy plant that is very, very similar to LSD in its effects and the one time I've taken it, it was fucking party time.  I'll approach it shamanically some day and I'm sure it will be spiritual, but it is so freaking similar to LSD, and doesn't feel any more "natural" to me.  Maybe people are getting shitty acid.  :shrug:

Mushrooms are older so they gots more knowledge?
:okthatsfunny:

Psilocybin and LSD have different effects, it has to do with molecular structure not molecular memory, you are welcome to prefer one or the other, but a better understanding of their individual psychopharmacology will yield more insight into the best way to use them and why they work differently than saying that God made the mushrooms smarter so they're better.  Good Christ what a bunch of horse shit. 

No sense fighting the irrational I suppose.  I'm overdue both a mushroom trip as well as an LSD session, and I'd really love to have the chance to combine the both.  I will say one last time, for those who haven't had spiritual encounters on LSD, the problem is you, not LSD.  Leary started an LSD religion and I've never heard the voice of God more strongly than on LSD. 

Ideally, one should be capable of having spiritual experiences sober, through meditation and other spiritual practices and just cultivating a positive, spiritual philosophy of a mindful, joyful and awe-filed life.  When you are able to do so and then take psychedelics with a spiritual intent, they make it even easier and you can have consistently spiritual trips. 

When I set aside the time to do a shamanic trip on mushrooms, then I have a spiritual experience.  If I approach them with the mindset of "let's have some fun," then I have some fun.  In this sense, ritual is crucial to the difference.  Do LSD with ritual intent, treat it with reverence and as a sacrament, listen to holy, sacred music on it and come back to me with your results. 

Sure, mushrooms are way easier to get a spiritual experience from then LSD and LSD makes it easier to have a spiritual experience than being sober, but just because mushrooms are like Spiritual Awakenings for Dummies doesn't mean they're more holy, it means that you're being lazy.
:thisisterrible:




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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22323630 - 10/02/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've been getting some fantastic acid lately and if I could take a tab of acid or an 8th of shrooms I'd do the shrooms. I think its because I am an introvert. When I take acid I love going outside and studying the world and the strange social interactions that go on. While on mushrooms I like to stay by myself and sort some things out. ( which I enjoy more) So maybe people like one more than the other because of the extrovert and introvert brain types.


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    #22323909 - 10/02/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If you think plant based drugs have more balance or whatever, it's a coincidence, it is not because they are plant based.

I understand the feeling you are connecting to shrooms.. but I definitely don't have that on say mescaline, which feels way more like lsd to me.





No, see it is your opinion that it is a coincidence. You have every right to hold that opinion and I won't argue with you. But can you really say it is a fact?

In other words are you saying it is absolutely 100% impossible that God created natural entheogens in balance with the rest of his creation and when you delve into the realms of the creation of Fallen Man, you don't always find that balance?

Mescaline feels way more like LSD to me too, but it still feels way better on my brain than LSD. And back to the issue of balance, LSD is just one chemical. Mescaline comes from a cactus, which contains a balance of alkaloids which effect the trip.

And to the guy earlier who said its possible God worked through Hoffman to make LSD, yes of course that is possible. I am not anti-LSD. I just think the natural entheogens are a lot better. Doesn't mean LSD isn't still good.


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    #22323941 - 10/02/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

A lot of people seem to take "I like x better" as "x is better than xx" :lol:


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    #22323986 - 10/02/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

DAMMIT PEOPLE!....JUST COMMENT ON HOW FUNNY THE VIDEO IS!! :bigyesnod::canthelpbutlaugh:

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22324091 - 10/02/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:

I will now while I remember :thumbup:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22324419 - 10/02/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No, see it is your opinion that it is a coincidence. You have every right to hold that opinion and I won't argue with you. But can you really say it is a fact?


Mescaline feels way more like LSD to me too, but it still feels way better on my brain than LSD. And back to the issue of balance, LSD is just one chemical. Mescaline comes from a cactus, which contains a balance of alkaloids which effect the trip.


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Well I mean it is the question of subjectivity vs objectivity, objective reasoning has moved our species more than all other pursuits and that is the separation between it and subjective reasoning, where someone can say God in a mushroom and my opinion is valid because its mine, or we must sacrifice men to please the mushroom God. Sure I can't say that there is not a infinitesimally small chance that for some reason the creator hid drugs in weird plants in-amongst deadly/inactive species and disguised them as defence mechanisms... objectively unlikely..

O and he made those drugs have more balance than all other drugs that his creations could ever come up with?? :smirk:

Just because some plant has more than one chemical in it doesn't mean those other chemicals balance it, ergot contains a range of bad shit that does not balance anything.

Let me get this straight... the purpose of these plant alkoloids is to give balance to humans psychedelic trips???


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22324443 - 10/02/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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O and he made those drugs have more balance than all other drugs that his creations could ever come up with?? :smirk:





:facepalm3:

Who said that besides you?

:lol:

Seems like a lot of people here are reading way to into this and trying to argue instead of just discussing this topic...

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Let me get this straight... the purpose of these plant alkoloids is to give balance to humans psychedelic trips???





Yes, believe it or not everything in the cactus effects the experience, from the plant matter effecting your digestion to all the random alkaloids that interact with eachother. It is much more than just one chemical or even a handful of alkaloids. Read up trip reports of pure mescaline vs bridgesii tea for instance, the difference is like mushrooms/ dmt vs ayahuasca.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22324460 - 10/02/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've done the tea and pure mescaline many times I understand it's different. I just think these things can get us high, but they are not here to get us high.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22324526 - 10/02/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That depends on if you think the universe is chaotic and random, or the result of intelligent design and if you think psychs are just for recreation...

There is a lot of evidence pointing to the latter though :shrug: People have been co evolving alongside plants for thousands and thousands of years.

I don't think it is that crazy to think plants might have similiar neurotransmitters in them so that we can communicate in a way.

Look at books like The Secret Life Of Plants, its clear they pick up on much more than most people realize and many people have experienced communicating with plants on high ayahuasca doses. There is a substantial amount of evidence pointing to the possibility honestly, it all depends on how and where you look and how open minded you are.

Natives who took these holy sacraments were certainly not imbibing to "get high" they were seeking guidance and wisdom from a higher power amongst other things.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22324558 - 10/02/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That depends on if you think the universe is chaotic and random, or the result of intelligent design and if you think psychs are just for recreation...

There is a lot of evidence pointing to the latter though :shrug: People have been co evolving alongside plants for thousands and thousands of years.

I don't think it is that crazy to think plants might have similiar neurotransmitters in them so that we can communicate in a way.

Look at books like The Secret Life Of Plants, its clear they pick up on much more than most people realize and many people have experienced communicating with plants on high ayahuasca doses. There is a substantial amount of evidence pointing to the possibility honestly, it all depends on how and where you look and how open minded you are.

Natives who took these holy sacraments were certainly not imbibing to "get high" they were seeking guidance and wisdom from a higher power amongst other things.




....That's what's up!:bigyesnod:

...so much beyond our comprehension :mindexpanding:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22324618 - 10/02/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah thats a cool fun idea, can't buy it personally tho, just because once again it fits for a few plant drugs but does not fit at all for many others.

Can't be selectively bias yaaa knooow.

Anyway all this talk has got me eyeing up my cacti :evil:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22324633 - 10/02/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah thats a cool fun idea, can't buy it personally tho, just because once again it fits for a few plant drugs but does not fit at all for many others.

Can't be selectively bias yaaa knooow.

Anyway all this talk has got me eyeing up my cacti :evil:





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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
    #22324657 - 10/02/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

One theory I like is the idea of conscious evolution. Basically some plants/ animals could have evolved malevolently and made poisons or became parasites while others evolved in more beneficial ways to their environment and fellow life forms. Its a cool idea at the very least, I try to keep an open mind and not lean one way or the other too much but I do prefer to believe more positive stuff like that than everything is just random. Who knows though :shrug: Considering the positive and negative duality nature of the universe it could be possible honestly, anything is possible though.

:wink:

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so much beyond our comprehension




:thumbup: its crazy how little we do perceive in the grand scheme of things, yet our brains and ego's insist our little chunk of reality is the most important :lol:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Filterhead462]
    #22324690 - 10/02/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.




I agree 100%
Roughly 1000ug of LSD for me had nothing on 7+ grams of mushrooms



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    #22324770 - 10/02/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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    #22324812 - 10/02/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close


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    #22324868 - 10/02/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.




I agree 100%
Roughly 1000ug of LSD for me had nothing on 7+ grams of mushrooms



:whathesaid:



Seems there are a few people out there who only think they ever took 1000 mics of acid, poor guys got short changed.

Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Northerner]
    #22324925 - 10/02/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close




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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.




All depends on who you know really :shrug:

I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22325049 - 10/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close




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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.




All depends on who you know really :shrug:

I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.




The last 3 hits I had from the same strip seemed to each vary in strength.
The first one really weak
the second one was extremely strong... with my eyes open I was watching myself from the third person
The third one seemed about right not to say I didn't enjoy the second and first.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22325078 - 10/02/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Seems that is not that uncommon, some people must suck at laying hits out or something :lol:

Did you take all 3 with little to no psych tolerance I assume? At least you had an extra strong one too :wink:


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    #22325113 - 10/02/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close




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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.




All depends on who you know really :shrug:

I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.




The last 3 hits I had from the same strip seemed to each vary in strength.
The first one really weak
the second one was extremely strong... with my eyes open I was watching myself from the third person
The third one seemed about right not to say I didn't enjoy the second and first.



Mindset at the time makes a really big difference I think. Not really to strength of the experience but definitely to the perceived depth.

I'm yet to see a person with my own eyes who has taken 400ug and not had a high level 4 or level 5 experience. Though there's probably people out there with high chemical/psychological resistance to it who aren't effected... I never saw that though and every person I ever gave a strong tab to that claimed they were impervious definitely were not.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Northerner]
    #22325571 - 10/02/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Seems that is not that uncommon, some people must suck at laying hits out or something :lol:

Did you take all 3 with little to no psych tolerance I assume? At least you had an extra strong one too :wink:




I've blown threw quite a bit of DMT, mushrooms, and 4-aco-dmt lately. I was on/still am kinda 4-aco when I typed that.
I think it had been at least 2 weeks to a month before I took the first tab which was the weakest to me :shrug:

I know this stuff sounds crazy but I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right" as above so below right?
I have had these experiences, I have seen the archetypes....


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Holding the loop of the ankh and using the stem to strike the rod, Horus creates a most haunting sound with the chimes. It is the loop of the ankh that insulates the person using it, and allows the straight end to vibrate for much longer. When the divine vibration is reached, the etheric serpents twist together as they move up the rod and through the higher chakras. This represents transcending the yin and yang of duality and radiating into the oneness of all being.






Sound like what can happen on DMT to anyone? I highly recommend studying history and reading stuff like the corpus hermeticum if this stuff interest you.
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Anubis also represents the hounds of the barrier who move only through angles. They wait to devour initiates who do not travel wisely when they leave their bodies. This means that souls must travel using fibonacci curves and not golden mean angles. Thoth warns:

“And if while free from thy body,
though hearest the sound like the bay of a hound
ringing clear and bell-like through thy being,
flee back to thy body through circles,
penetrate not the mist before.”




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I'm yet to see a person with my own eyes who has taken 400ug and not had a high level 4 or level 5 experience. Though there's probably people out there with high chemical/psychological resistance to it who aren't effected... I never saw that though and every person I ever gave a strong tab to that claimed they were impervious definitely were not.




Once you begin to unbox your mind/unconscious I think you develop a mental tolerance where you aren't taken unless you want to be. If that makes sense.
For quite some time it was like being kidnapped to me.
I would take something and it would start to happen then it would be over and I'd be like WTF just happened knowing something significant had taken place but it's like I missed it some how.

Now when I trip it's like I'm fully present for the whole experience and I don't get paranoid or paralyzed by fear either I love it.
My attitude now is LET THEM COME

Flash blinding eyes, chariots descend
Dark gods coming back to the Earth
Through the black distant eye
Upon the bloodred skies
Their horned crowns glowing, crushing yell of death
Welcome back!!!

(lead Spider)

Gates are opened, now winds take command
Human skulls under feet
"We came again to claim and reign"
Eyes full of hate, their hands holding fire
Mighty power strikes, thunder lash

(lead Spider)
(lead Peter)
(lead Spider)

Black demon's eye, a portal to the death
Messenger of genocide
The gods are spreading their wings, cover up the skies
Striking in revenge, the beast is out of Hell

(lead Spider)

Dark, pride majesty marching in
The world of life is kneeling down humbly
The end or new begining, life or death
The chosen ones awakened, raising to the stars

(lead Spider)

Portal is opened, once again
Shadows move, the night is falling down so fast
Blast of fire, never ends
Black eye is calling, into the abysssss...
Flash blinding eyes, chariots ascend
The gods rising up to the stars
Through the black distant eye upon the dark skies
Their horned crowns glowing, fading yell in the air

As i said this stuff is crazy but......


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» The serpent energy (Apep) of our instinctual spines «

» The dog vibration (Set) of our loving hearts «

» The falcon awareness (Horus) of our soaring spirits «

» The female expression (Seshat) of resurrection «

So the “living image” of the Sphinx was an archetypal symbol of hereditary. For the ancients, it was a powerful reminder of an ancient narrative from which they drew their purpose, meaning and being. These men and women regarded one another as brothers and sisters who shared an ancient, profound kinship between themselves and all life.

So the riddle identifies the Sphinx as a stepping stone: a female symbol of life’s rebirth into higher worlds. In this respect she is no more than a chamber built to honour the sacred part of us. Her presence invites us to deepen our awareness and reconcile the many aspects of our inner nature. She holds power in her own right. When we understand her, we will love her as part of all creation. Once surrounded by water, she is the stepping stone of evolution—the ongoing promise of life.

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    #22325614 - 10/02/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LSD aint got shit on Panaeolus.


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    #22325685 - 10/02/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

I always really dug the caduceus symbol, if I ever get a tattoo it will probably be something like that or a yin yang :lol:

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I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right"




I know what you mean, also meditation/ focusing on the experience can really add to and make you get more out of it.

Egyptians were into some crazy stuff for sure, I have seen pyramids while tripping before as well as Egyptian style imagery too. Only once or twice though.


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    #22325951 - 10/02/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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LSD aint got shit on Panaeolus.



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    #22325963 - 10/02/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:thumbup:

I always really dug the caduceus symbol, if I ever get a tattoo it will probably be something like that or a yin yang :lol:

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I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right"




I know what you mean, also meditation/ focusing on the experience can really add to and make you get more out of it.

Egyptians were into some crazy stuff for sure, I have seen pyramids while tripping before as well as Egyptian style imagery too. Only once or twice though.




Meditating has done wonders for me while tripping and in general.
You can actually do it at almost any time. I do it while driving sometimes with deep breathing and focusing on the core of self or "what's looking"
30 minutes of that and I can feel my mind vibrating.
When I do it at night in the dark I'm also able to experience images, patterns, and symbols that arise on their own mostly.

I've also been doing it sometimes while falling asleep and I'll fall into micro dreams then come back and keep doing that over and over.
It's like the stuff comes to me and appears on it's own. At first it feels a little odd like it's in your head(everything is really) but if you can let go of the cringey feeling and not make harsh judgements some very interesting stuff can happen.

I'm pretty sure I broke through a pyramid on DMT before. From my point of view it looked 2-d but "felt" like a pyramid. There were a lot of static lines of interference.


Here's one thoery
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The King’s Chamber remains protected to this day by the ignorance of modern man. In fact the true nature of the culmination ritual has been obsurced to the point of extinction. But in modern language you might say that the granite coffer was the ultimate sensory deprivation tank with an external volume precisely double its internal volume. Indeed, once upon a time initiates would be suspended in salt water within it. Much like a modern isolation chamber the perceptual null zone allowed the initiate to connect energetically with realms far distant from Earth. This DEATH & REBIRTHING of a candidate akin to a baby in the womb was the fundamental process that connected spacetime priests with the awesome wisdom of the stars. This process has been hinted at by Hollywood, most notably in The Matrix.

The word sarcophagus comes from the Greek sarkophagus meaning “flesh-eating”. While there are references here to corpses and nested coffins there is in fact a more esoteric meaning: a salt bath. Anyone who has taken one after a shave will DEFINITELY appreciate this phrase. In modern times Epsom salts are used to give buoyancy to the body in flotation therapy and to boost magnesium levels. So while sarcophagi are today linked with death, there is a life giving dimension to them that has long been forgotten.

Infrasound is “low frequency sound” generally considered to be below the human range of hearing.  The pyramid therefore can be viewed as an infrasonic, piezoelectric Helmholtz resonator used to focus wavelengths at frequencies below 20 Hz. When a human being is placed at the centre of this frequency without sensory connection to their body the standing wave results in a subspace waveform that aligns the initiate with eternity. An additional piezoelectric effect acts as a biological force sensor which means that the application of potential stimulates the growth of bone in-vivo. This means that while you are connecting with the universe in your etheric body, your physical body is also being renewed.

What does all this mean? In modern parlance we might say that the great pyramid is an ancient subwoofer designed to focus ultra low sound frequencies (the word “woofer” refers to a dog’s bark). Anubis references aside, a modern “infrasonic unique double bass reflex loudspeaker enclosure” looks like the image below. In this design the driver fires over a Helmholtz resonator and then exits through long ports. It hints at former glories within the King’s Chamber.

So The King’s Chamber was designed as a step-down facility capable of tuning the heart’s energetic wavelength with the lower vibration of the planet. Pyramid shaped structures actually have no fixed resonance and can sing on any frequency of the excitation band. Although in modern times the pyramids are mistakenly known as tombs there is certainly a dying aspect to them: your ego must perish before you become one with all creation. If you are unfamiliar with the dimensions of The Royal Chamber (below) then perhaps clicking here will remind you of the dimensions of an eye.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22326036 - 10/02/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it is amazing how many things meditating can help with, I have been meaning to get way more into it for a long time now.

Definitely can produce some interesting "visons" meditating, cannabis and or harmalas synergize very nicely with it for me. Cannabis makes it harder for me to meditate a lot though, probably the way I use it mostly which I also am working on. I tend to try and meditate on the "core" or "source" as well, sometimes I feel like I am on the edge of perceiving something greater, like an interconnected universal grid but my discipline sucks :lol:

Falling asleep is my favorite time to meditate since I have trouble sleeping and it can really help to relax and pass out.

The vibrations can be pretty crazy too, I rarely get deep enough to feel any but once I felt like I was on the verge of an OBE and I started convulsing in a weird somatic pattern and it kind of snapped me out of the meditation which sucked becouse I was trying to have an OBE and that is the closest I have ever gotten, at least not super high on drugs :tongue2:

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I'm pretty sure I broke through a pyramid on DMT before.




You mean like popped through it or something in your vision? Interesting.
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Can't say I have heard the sensory isolation theories but that is cool, the energy concentrating stuff if my favorite. I have always wanted to visit a pyramid or another similiar construct.

I love frequencies, everything we perceive is our brain converting vibrations into imagery so there are a lot of crazy possibilities around them.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326327 - 10/02/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Basically I was getting sucked through a flat portal that some how was a pyramid.
Felt like I was going side to side sorta.


This is a very important hermetic principle
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Nothing rest, everything moves; everything vibrates




You might find this interesting.
http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/geoman.htm
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The idea of the logos in Greek thought harks back at least to the 6th-century-bc philosopher Heracleitus, who discerned in the cosmic process a logos analogous to the reasoning power in man. Later, the Stoics, philosophers who followed the teachings of the thinker Zeno of Citium (4th–3rd century bc), defined the logos as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. They called the logos providence, nature, god, and the soul of the universe, which is composed of many seminal logoi that are contained in the universal logos. Philo of Alexandria, a 1st-century-ad Jewish philosopher, taught that the logos was the intermediary between God and the cosmos, being both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can apprehend and comprehend God. According to Philo and the Middle Platonists, philosophers who interpreted in religious terms the teachings of the 4th-century-bc Greek master philosopher Plato, the logos was both immanent in the world and at the same time the transcendent divine mind.




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And ere they give up the body unto its proper death, they turn them with disgust from its sensations, from knowledge of what things they operate. Nay, it is I, the Mind, that will not let the operations which befall the body, work to their [natural] end. For being door-keeper I will close up [all] the entrances, and cut the mental actions off which base and evil energies induce.

23. But to the Mind-less ones, the wicked and depraved, the envious and covetous, and those who mured do and love impiety, I am far off, yielding my place to the Avenging Daimon, who sharpening the fire, tormenteth him and addeth fire to fire upon him, and rusheth upon him through his senses, thus rendering him readier for transgressions of the law, so that he meets with greater torment; nor doth he ever cease to have desire for appetites inordinate, insatiately striving in the dark.

24. Well hast thou taught me all, as I desired, O Mind. And now, pray, tell me further of the nature of the Way Above as now it is [for me].

To this Man-Shepherd said: When the material body is to be dissolved, first thou surrenderest the body by itself unto the work of change, and thus the form thou hadst doth vanish, and thou surrenderest thy way of life, void of its energy, unto the Daimon. The body's senses next pass back into their sources, becoming separate, and resurrect as energies; and passion and desire withdraw unto that nature which is void of reason.

25. And thus it is that man doth speed his way thereafter upwards through the Harmony.




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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22326433 - 10/02/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That sounds like an intense experience! Also that is definitely interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

:greenthumb:

It is crazy how many different cultures at different times realized some of the same things, I have heard theories of ancient shamans using psychedelics to communicate across the planet and share knowledge which is an interesting explanation of some of the similarities is cultures across the world from each other.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326521 - 10/03/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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That sounds like an intense experience! Also that is definitely interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

:greenthumb:

It is crazy how many different cultures at different times realized some of the same things, I have heard theories of ancient shamans using psychedelics to communicate across the planet and share knowledge which is an interesting explanation of some of the similarities is cultures across the world from each other.




Even today this still goes on. I've noticed it in music and visionary art.


If you haven't read Jung I highly recommend his books.
This one is free and online. You might wish to skip the intro and jump right to the meat of the lectures. Starts at page 58
http://monoskop.org/images/0/08/Jung_Gustav_Carl_The_Psychology_of_Kundalini_Yoga_1932.pdf


On a starved planet with a slow dying race
An expedition to obtain Zeal has begun
Entranced in decades of psychedelic sleep
In the far reaches of space, a thirty year voyage has commenced

A forest of alien spores decorate the interior of the ship
Creating overlapping shelves of exotic foreign shrooms
Pods of slumber, mimic the layered strain

Each pod unique in design
Enveloped by terrestrial hieroglyphs
The scent of foreign fungus reeks pungent to
The human senses yet calms the alien soul

Synthesis
Not needed
To thrive
Xenogeneic
Psilocybin
Multiples
From within
The chilled
Damp chambers
Anxiously
Awaiting
To rise

Hallucinogens blanking the alien mind
Strains of bacteria bask in metamorphosis
Breeding hybrid strains, constantly strengthening
Melting minds into stasis

A canvas of intertwining rods of cells
Making residence of the stagnant air

Inhuman cyborg pilots the craft
And feeds the cells watching over them
Soon to grow into abominations
Advanced molecules unknown to man

The emperor
Preaches the
Scriptures of a
Foretold prophecy
As ancient
Alien
Shamans use
Psychedelics
As tools to
Become one
With the Earths
Mighty powers

Foreign color stream
Illuminates
Their window to the planets
Perception stripped of all matter
Revealing the paths to vitality



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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22326601 - 10/03/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone is even more directly connected now adays but it definitely still goes on. I swear I have witnessed it at festivals where ideas will bounce around the festival and I will hear chain reactions of people saying the same word or talking about the same thing, its some crazy shit. That is a dope mandala esque turtle/ eye/ seed art piece.

I saved that book and will try to remember to check it out sometime soon :cheers:

Not my kind of music really but some cool lyrics for sure, I love some wailing electric guitar but I don't like much metal or dark music for the most part.

I don't mind some darkness in some intense fusion however.


Live - The Beauty of Gray (Live 95)

This song has a great message about consciousness and life.

If I told you he was your brother
You'd reminisce then you would go about your day
If said you oughta give him some of your water
You'd shake your canteen and walk away

And the perception that divides you from him, is a lie
For some reason you never asked why
This is not a black white world
You can't afford to believe in your side

This is not a black and white world
To be alive I say the colors must swirl
And I believe that maybe today
We will all get to appreciate
The beauty of grey

If I told you she was your mother
Would you analyze the situation and be gone?
If I said you oughta give her some of your water
Your eyes would light up like the dawn

And the perception that divides you from her, is a lie
For some reason we never asked why


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22326982 - 10/03/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I know what you mean it's like ideas hit in waves sometimes.
Here's a neat video about it

Bacterial linguistic communication and social intelligence

Here's a more chilled song :lol:

Traveler now reach the stream. The astral flight adapter.
From the pain-sheath life ascends - the Non-returner sees.
Empathy release me - and the phoenix rise triumphant.
And walks onto the certitude ground - the soul's submergence ends.

From the rounds of rebirth - he arrives onto the deathless.
Light bores through the adjunct worlds - the soul-galleon prevails.
Liberates in wisdom to complete state of negation.
The five roads subsumed by grace - emancipates from dream.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22329393 - 10/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I love the way the threads in this forum just take a life of their own  :smirk:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22329457 - 10/03/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was too tired to check those videos last night when I saw em but I will after I am done with this album :thumbup:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
    #22329464 - 10/03/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I was too tired to check those videos last night when I saw em but I will after I am done with this album :thumbup:



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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
    #22331123 - 10/04/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't really like the drowsiness and indecisive nature of shrooms. The trip seems to do a weird wavering thing in the latter half too.

LSD has always been a long, smooth, consistent trip for me, and with plenty of energy. It may not have the spiritual potential of mushrooms, but I feel that mushrooms don't have the logical and philosophical potential of LSD. With a lysergamide you get the combined tryptamine and phenethylamine experience, with plenty of serotonin receptor activity to boot.

To each their own, though. It's all a matter of personal taste and what you're looking to get out of the trip. Saying that one is 'better' than the other is nonsense.




Gotta admit though, the fact that boomers grow out of the ground and how they give such a spiritual/connected feeling/tryptamine death type feel, (feeling like everything feels like a dream/i'm dead and alive at the same time), they smack me in the face a remind me i'm an impermanent, somewhat intelligent monkey. when i think i have an idea what everything's about and then the mushrooms remind me i don't know shit. That i'm just another organism flying through the cosmos and not just a "fun, pseudo-philosophical trip" but a mindfuck that reaffirms my belief that we will never understand what existence is fully or if there is even a point.  I'd say its impossible to say one is better than the other because they're both pretty different but there's something about mushrooms and their effects that always leaves me happier for awhile, even after the trips long over. But psychedelics are pretty subjective my experiences could be completely different than anyone else's. Some people prefer acid, some prefer shrooms


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22331697 - 10/04/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't really like the drowsiness and indecisive nature of shrooms. The trip seems to do a weird wavering thing in the latter half too.

LSD has always been a long, smooth, consistent trip for me, and with plenty of energy. It may not have the spiritual potential of mushrooms, but I feel that mushrooms don't have the logical and philosophical potential of LSD. With a lysergamide you get the combined tryptamine and phenethylamine experience, with plenty of serotonin receptor activity to boot.

To each their own, though. It's all a matter of personal taste and what you're looking to get out of the trip. Saying that one is 'better' than the other is nonsense.




Gotta admit though, the fact that boomers grow out of the ground and how they give such a spiritual/connected feeling/tryptamine death type feel, (feeling like everything feels like a dream/i'm dead and alive at the same time), they smack me in the face a remind me i'm an impermanent, somewhat intelligent monkey. when i think i have an idea what everything's about and then the mushrooms remind me i don't know shit. That i'm just another organism flying through the cosmos and not just a "fun, pseudo-philosophical trip" but a mindfuck that reaffirms my belief that we will never understand what existence is fully or if there is even a point.  I'd say its impossible to say one is better than the other because they're both pretty different but there's something about mushrooms and their effects that always leaves me happier for awhile, even after the trips long over. But psychedelics are pretty subjective my experiences could be completely different than anyone else's. Some people prefer acid, some prefer shrooms





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Mushrooms always give me that I don't know s*** kind of feeling! :-) I love that affirmation! Its awesome to integrate that into your life and see how humbling that is. Everytime I say some stupid s*** or think some snide ass thing about another person I immediately chastise myself for being a dick! :-) mushrooms are f****** awesome :-)!:firstladyofapproval:


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #23269721 - 05/25/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm resurrecting this mother fucker''

Personally my experiences with mushrooms have been more transfixing, intensive and enveloping which is why I like them better. They're so existential, alien and flowing.
A very primordial and sacred substance.

LSD is more exhilarating and giggly. More zestful and bucolic; more radiant, syntonic and quaint.
LSD is imo also better for music and art and in some ways even nature.

So both are incredible but mushrooms are just so spectacular, dynamic and alive. Plus the peak of shrooms is clearly more climacteric than the peak of LSD.

The mushroom experience is more out there imo


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23269936 - 05/25/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Both are positive and negative in thier own ways.. I cant say one is better than the other.


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    #23269981 - 05/25/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I cant say one is better than the other.




Well I can:grin:
At least subjectively shrooms are better for me.

LSD can be a MUCH better tool for certain activities and even certain effects but I still find overall that mushrooms are just superior.

It also might just come down to what subjects you are more interested in because each substance does seem to deal with what appears to be particular academic subjects
-Mushrooms dealing with Biology and Philosophy and LSD dealing with Physics and Psychology

Also if you're interested in ontology (the study of the nature of being) then shrooms are probably gonna be your go to or preference whereas with phenomenology (the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience) if you are interested in that you'd probably prefer LSD.

But really it might all just come down to which one you find more euphoric and revelatory; which for me is psilocybin.


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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23269998 - 05/25/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I also find LSD to go better with yoga and the people who prefer yoga over meditation tend to like LSD better.
The people who prefer meditation though I think more often prefer mushrooms.
However this is kind of a generalization because there's tons of meditators who love LSD more.


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    #23270155 - 05/25/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

To me they are an equal. Both have alot to show you. Meditating on both can be very enlightening, I find that LSD is good for experiencing the external world while mushrooms can make you delve deeper into yourself.


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    #23270196 - 05/25/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm
well just goes to show it's slightly different for everyone. Or at least interpreted differently by everyone.

I personally find LSD more introspective and more about 'me' whereas with shrooms it's more about the other...the alien; the mysterious

Shrooms doesn't really seem to care at all about my puny humaness and seems to have much bigger and better things to show me than just myself which is again why I prefer them. Shrooms has much more of an explorative agenda for me and the introspection on shrooms really only happens at certain times usually right after the peak or during the peak but that's about it.
LSD however I feel like I can get hit with introspection at anytime and have the whole trip be introspective probably because there's more continuity on an acid trip.

The introspection for both is also different.
The introspection on mushrooms seem more "visual" and more evocative and reflective. The introspection for LSD though is more psychoanalytical and abrasive. I feel like LSD cares about me much less than shrooms do.


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    #23270285 - 05/25/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I can see where you're coming from. LSD will cause you to analyze you're thoughts and surroundings. I feel more connected with myself and nature and matter on shrooms, to the point where I will drift off in my mind having g visions. LSD is more showing me a more vivid almost warped reality. I feel very one with life on acid and make alot of connections with things. I see alot of geometry with LSD which makes me think more calculate process rather than the dreamy state shrooms have. Im sorry if this makes no sense at all. It's hard to put words to it.


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    #23270325 - 05/25/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I see alot of geometry with LSD which makes me think more calculate process rather than the dreamy state shrooms have. Im sorry if this makes no sense at all. It's hard to put words to it.




Ha ya it makes perfect sense and I sort of agree. To me LSD seems more geometric and surging and I seem to enter a more delineated and analytical headspace. Like I can see contrasts and patterns in things very well and see the connections and differences between things in a way I never could before. I can also look at something like a cactus and feel like I'm looking at the essence of a cactus or its true character; same with people too.

LSD for me also has this strange vectorial perceptual effect where when I see people walking by it's not like I'm just seeing them walk by but like I'm seeing that person navigating through time and space even though everything looks roughly the same it's just the way I'm thinking about what I'm seeing.


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    #23270357 - 05/25/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I get that with watching things in the distance too, almost like they are in thier own realm or in a painting haha. It's like everyone has thier own aura that shines thier own reality before their eyes. Hahaha man I'm baked.


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