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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22325963 - 10/02/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always really dug the caduceus symbol, if I ever get a tattoo it will probably be something like that or a yin yang 
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I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right"
I know what you mean, also meditation/ focusing on the experience can really add to and make you get more out of it.
Egyptians were into some crazy stuff for sure, I have seen pyramids while tripping before as well as Egyptian style imagery too. Only once or twice though.
Meditating has done wonders for me while tripping and in general. You can actually do it at almost any time. I do it while driving sometimes with deep breathing and focusing on the core of self or "what's looking" 30 minutes of that and I can feel my mind vibrating. When I do it at night in the dark I'm also able to experience images, patterns, and symbols that arise on their own mostly.
I've also been doing it sometimes while falling asleep and I'll fall into micro dreams then come back and keep doing that over and over. It's like the stuff comes to me and appears on it's own. At first it feels a little odd like it's in your head(everything is really) but if you can let go of the cringey feeling and not make harsh judgements some very interesting stuff can happen.
I'm pretty sure I broke through a pyramid on DMT before. From my point of view it looked 2-d but "felt" like a pyramid. There were a lot of static lines of interference.
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The King’s Chamber remains protected to this day by the ignorance of modern man. In fact the true nature of the culmination ritual has been obsurced to the point of extinction. But in modern language you might say that the granite coffer was the ultimate sensory deprivation tank with an external volume precisely double its internal volume. Indeed, once upon a time initiates would be suspended in salt water within it. Much like a modern isolation chamber the perceptual null zone allowed the initiate to connect energetically with realms far distant from Earth. This DEATH & REBIRTHING of a candidate akin to a baby in the womb was the fundamental process that connected spacetime priests with the awesome wisdom of the stars. This process has been hinted at by Hollywood, most notably in The Matrix.
The word sarcophagus comes from the Greek sarkophagus meaning “flesh-eating”. While there are references here to corpses and nested coffins there is in fact a more esoteric meaning: a salt bath. Anyone who has taken one after a shave will DEFINITELY appreciate this phrase. In modern times Epsom salts are used to give buoyancy to the body in flotation therapy and to boost magnesium levels. So while sarcophagi are today linked with death, there is a life giving dimension to them that has long been forgotten.
Infrasound is “low frequency sound” generally considered to be below the human range of hearing. The pyramid therefore can be viewed as an infrasonic, piezoelectric Helmholtz resonator used to focus wavelengths at frequencies below 20 Hz. When a human being is placed at the centre of this frequency without sensory connection to their body the standing wave results in a subspace waveform that aligns the initiate with eternity. An additional piezoelectric effect acts as a biological force sensor which means that the application of potential stimulates the growth of bone in-vivo. This means that while you are connecting with the universe in your etheric body, your physical body is also being renewed.
What does all this mean? In modern parlance we might say that the great pyramid is an ancient subwoofer designed to focus ultra low sound frequencies (the word “woofer” refers to a dog’s bark). Anubis references aside, a modern “infrasonic unique double bass reflex loudspeaker enclosure” looks like the image below. In this design the driver fires over a Helmholtz resonator and then exits through long ports. It hints at former glories within the King’s Chamber.
So The King’s Chamber was designed as a step-down facility capable of tuning the heart’s energetic wavelength with the lower vibration of the planet. Pyramid shaped structures actually have no fixed resonance and can sing on any frequency of the excitation band. Although in modern times the pyramids are mistakenly known as tombs there is certainly a dying aspect to them: your ego must perish before you become one with all creation. If you are unfamiliar with the dimensions of The Royal Chamber (below) then perhaps clicking here will remind you of the dimensions of an eye.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22326036 - 10/02/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it is amazing how many things meditating can help with, I have been meaning to get way more into it for a long time now.
Definitely can produce some interesting "visons" meditating, cannabis and or harmalas synergize very nicely with it for me. Cannabis makes it harder for me to meditate a lot though, probably the way I use it mostly which I also am working on. I tend to try and meditate on the "core" or "source" as well, sometimes I feel like I am on the edge of perceiving something greater, like an interconnected universal grid but my discipline sucks 
Falling asleep is my favorite time to meditate since I have trouble sleeping and it can really help to relax and pass out.
The vibrations can be pretty crazy too, I rarely get deep enough to feel any but once I felt like I was on the verge of an OBE and I started convulsing in a weird somatic pattern and it kind of snapped me out of the meditation which sucked becouse I was trying to have an OBE and that is the closest I have ever gotten, at least not super high on drugs 
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I'm pretty sure I broke through a pyramid on DMT before.
You mean like popped through it or something in your vision? Interesting.

Can't say I have heard the sensory isolation theories but that is cool, the energy concentrating stuff if my favorite. I have always wanted to visit a pyramid or another similiar construct.
I love frequencies, everything we perceive is our brain converting vibrations into imagery so there are a lot of crazy possibilities around them.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22326327 - 10/02/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Basically I was getting sucked through a flat portal that some how was a pyramid. Felt like I was going side to side sorta.
This is a very important hermetic principle
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Nothing rest, everything moves; everything vibrates
You might find this interesting. http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/geoman.htm
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The idea of the logos in Greek thought harks back at least to the 6th-century-bc philosopher Heracleitus, who discerned in the cosmic process a logos analogous to the reasoning power in man. Later, the Stoics, philosophers who followed the teachings of the thinker Zeno of Citium (4th–3rd century bc), defined the logos as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. They called the logos providence, nature, god, and the soul of the universe, which is composed of many seminal logoi that are contained in the universal logos. Philo of Alexandria, a 1st-century-ad Jewish philosopher, taught that the logos was the intermediary between God and the cosmos, being both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can apprehend and comprehend God. According to Philo and the Middle Platonists, philosophers who interpreted in religious terms the teachings of the 4th-century-bc Greek master philosopher Plato, the logos was both immanent in the world and at the same time the transcendent divine mind.
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And ere they give up the body unto its proper death, they turn them with disgust from its sensations, from knowledge of what things they operate. Nay, it is I, the Mind, that will not let the operations which befall the body, work to their [natural] end. For being door-keeper I will close up [all] the entrances, and cut the mental actions off which base and evil energies induce.
23. But to the Mind-less ones, the wicked and depraved, the envious and covetous, and those who mured do and love impiety, I am far off, yielding my place to the Avenging Daimon, who sharpening the fire, tormenteth him and addeth fire to fire upon him, and rusheth upon him through his senses, thus rendering him readier for transgressions of the law, so that he meets with greater torment; nor doth he ever cease to have desire for appetites inordinate, insatiately striving in the dark.
24. Well hast thou taught me all, as I desired, O Mind. And now, pray, tell me further of the nature of the Way Above as now it is [for me].
To this Man-Shepherd said: When the material body is to be dissolved, first thou surrenderest the body by itself unto the work of change, and thus the form thou hadst doth vanish, and thou surrenderest thy way of life, void of its energy, unto the Daimon. The body's senses next pass back into their sources, becoming separate, and resurrect as energies; and passion and desire withdraw unto that nature which is void of reason.
25. And thus it is that man doth speed his way thereafter upwards through the Harmony.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22326433 - 10/02/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That sounds like an intense experience! Also that is definitely interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

It is crazy how many different cultures at different times realized some of the same things, I have heard theories of ancient shamans using psychedelics to communicate across the planet and share knowledge which is an interesting explanation of some of the similarities is cultures across the world from each other.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22326521 - 10/03/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: That sounds like an intense experience! Also that is definitely interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.

It is crazy how many different cultures at different times realized some of the same things, I have heard theories of ancient shamans using psychedelics to communicate across the planet and share knowledge which is an interesting explanation of some of the similarities is cultures across the world from each other.
Even today this still goes on. I've noticed it in music and visionary art.

If you haven't read Jung I highly recommend his books. This one is free and online. You might wish to skip the intro and jump right to the meat of the lectures. Starts at page 58 http://monoskop.org/images/0/08/Jung_Gustav_Carl_The_Psychology_of_Kundalini_Yoga_1932.pdf
On a starved planet with a slow dying race An expedition to obtain Zeal has begun Entranced in decades of psychedelic sleep In the far reaches of space, a thirty year voyage has commenced
A forest of alien spores decorate the interior of the ship Creating overlapping shelves of exotic foreign shrooms Pods of slumber, mimic the layered strain
Each pod unique in design Enveloped by terrestrial hieroglyphs The scent of foreign fungus reeks pungent to The human senses yet calms the alien soul
Synthesis Not needed To thrive Xenogeneic Psilocybin Multiples From within The chilled Damp chambers Anxiously Awaiting To rise
Hallucinogens blanking the alien mind Strains of bacteria bask in metamorphosis Breeding hybrid strains, constantly strengthening Melting minds into stasis
A canvas of intertwining rods of cells Making residence of the stagnant air
Inhuman cyborg pilots the craft And feeds the cells watching over them Soon to grow into abominations Advanced molecules unknown to man
The emperor Preaches the Scriptures of a Foretold prophecy As ancient Alien Shamans use Psychedelics As tools to Become one With the Earths Mighty powers
Foreign color stream Illuminates Their window to the planets Perception stripped of all matter Revealing the paths to vitality
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22326601 - 10/03/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone is even more directly connected now adays but it definitely still goes on. I swear I have witnessed it at festivals where ideas will bounce around the festival and I will hear chain reactions of people saying the same word or talking about the same thing, its some crazy shit. That is a dope mandala esque turtle/ eye/ seed art piece.
I saved that book and will try to remember to check it out sometime soon 
Not my kind of music really but some cool lyrics for sure, I love some wailing electric guitar but I don't like much metal or dark music for the most part.
I don't mind some darkness in some intense fusion however.
Live - The Beauty of Gray (Live 95)
This song has a great message about consciousness and life.
If I told you he was your brother You'd reminisce then you would go about your day If said you oughta give him some of your water You'd shake your canteen and walk away
And the perception that divides you from him, is a lie For some reason you never asked why This is not a black white world You can't afford to believe in your side
This is not a black and white world To be alive I say the colors must swirl And I believe that maybe today We will all get to appreciate The beauty of grey
If I told you she was your mother Would you analyze the situation and be gone? If I said you oughta give her some of your water Your eyes would light up like the dawn
And the perception that divides you from her, is a lie For some reason we never asked why
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22326982 - 10/03/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know what you mean it's like ideas hit in waves sometimes. Here's a neat video about it
Bacterial linguistic communication and social intelligence
Here's a more chilled song 
Traveler now reach the stream. The astral flight adapter. From the pain-sheath life ascends - the Non-returner sees. Empathy release me - and the phoenix rise triumphant. And walks onto the certitude ground - the soul's submergence ends.
From the rounds of rebirth - he arrives onto the deathless. Light bores through the adjunct worlds - the soul-galleon prevails. Liberates in wisdom to complete state of negation. The five roads subsumed by grace - emancipates from dream.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22329393 - 10/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love the way the threads in this forum just take a life of their own
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22329457 - 10/03/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was too tired to check those videos last night when I saw em but I will after I am done with this album
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22329464 - 10/03/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I was too tired to check those videos last night when I saw em but I will after I am done with this album 
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
#22331123 - 10/04/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Starless said: I don't really like the drowsiness and indecisive nature of shrooms. The trip seems to do a weird wavering thing in the latter half too.
LSD has always been a long, smooth, consistent trip for me, and with plenty of energy. It may not have the spiritual potential of mushrooms, but I feel that mushrooms don't have the logical and philosophical potential of LSD. With a lysergamide you get the combined tryptamine and phenethylamine experience, with plenty of serotonin receptor activity to boot.
To each their own, though. It's all a matter of personal taste and what you're looking to get out of the trip. Saying that one is 'better' than the other is nonsense.
Gotta admit though, the fact that boomers grow out of the ground and how they give such a spiritual/connected feeling/tryptamine death type feel, (feeling like everything feels like a dream/i'm dead and alive at the same time), they smack me in the face a remind me i'm an impermanent, somewhat intelligent monkey. when i think i have an idea what everything's about and then the mushrooms remind me i don't know shit. That i'm just another organism flying through the cosmos and not just a "fun, pseudo-philosophical trip" but a mindfuck that reaffirms my belief that we will never understand what existence is fully or if there is even a point. I'd say its impossible to say one is better than the other because they're both pretty different but there's something about mushrooms and their effects that always leaves me happier for awhile, even after the trips long over. But psychedelics are pretty subjective my experiences could be completely different than anyone else's. Some people prefer acid, some prefer shrooms
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: MysticMoteToter]
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Starless said: I don't really like the drowsiness and indecisive nature of shrooms. The trip seems to do a weird wavering thing in the latter half too.
LSD has always been a long, smooth, consistent trip for me, and with plenty of energy. It may not have the spiritual potential of mushrooms, but I feel that mushrooms don't have the logical and philosophical potential of LSD. With a lysergamide you get the combined tryptamine and phenethylamine experience, with plenty of serotonin receptor activity to boot.
To each their own, though. It's all a matter of personal taste and what you're looking to get out of the trip. Saying that one is 'better' than the other is nonsense.
Gotta admit though, the fact that boomers grow out of the ground and how they give such a spiritual/connected feeling/tryptamine death type feel, (feeling like everything feels like a dream/i'm dead and alive at the same time), they smack me in the face a remind me i'm an impermanent, somewhat intelligent monkey. when i think i have an idea what everything's about and then the mushrooms remind me i don't know shit. That i'm just another organism flying through the cosmos and not just a "fun, pseudo-philosophical trip" but a mindfuck that reaffirms my belief that we will never understand what existence is fully or if there is even a point. I'd say its impossible to say one is better than the other because they're both pretty different but there's something about mushrooms and their effects that always leaves me happier for awhile, even after the trips long over. But psychedelics are pretty subjective my experiences could be completely different than anyone else's. Some people prefer acid, some prefer shrooms
.. Mushrooms always give me that I don't know s*** kind of feeling! :-) I love that affirmation! Its awesome to integrate that into your life and see how humbling that is. Everytime I say some stupid s*** or think some snide ass thing about another person I immediately chastise myself for being a dick! :-) mushrooms are f****** awesome :-)!
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
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I'm resurrecting this mother fucker''
Personally my experiences with mushrooms have been more transfixing, intensive and enveloping which is why I like them better. They're so existential, alien and flowing. A very primordial and sacred substance.
LSD is more exhilarating and giggly. More zestful and bucolic; more radiant, syntonic and quaint. LSD is imo also better for music and art and in some ways even nature.
So both are incredible but mushrooms are just so spectacular, dynamic and alive. Plus the peak of shrooms is clearly more climacteric than the peak of LSD.
The mushroom experience is more out there imo
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Both are positive and negative in thier own ways.. I cant say one is better than the other.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SonicTitan]
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I cant say one is better than the other.
Well I can At least subjectively shrooms are better for me.
LSD can be a MUCH better tool for certain activities and even certain effects but I still find overall that mushrooms are just superior.
It also might just come down to what subjects you are more interested in because each substance does seem to deal with what appears to be particular academic subjects -Mushrooms dealing with Biology and Philosophy and LSD dealing with Physics and Psychology
Also if you're interested in ontology (the study of the nature of being) then shrooms are probably gonna be your go to or preference whereas with phenomenology (the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience) if you are interested in that you'd probably prefer LSD.
But really it might all just come down to which one you find more euphoric and revelatory; which for me is psilocybin.
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I also find LSD to go better with yoga and the people who prefer yoga over meditation tend to like LSD better. The people who prefer meditation though I think more often prefer mushrooms. However this is kind of a generalization because there's tons of meditators who love LSD more.
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To me they are an equal. Both have alot to show you. Meditating on both can be very enlightening, I find that LSD is good for experiencing the external world while mushrooms can make you delve deeper into yourself.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SonicTitan]
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Hmmm well just goes to show it's slightly different for everyone. Or at least interpreted differently by everyone.
I personally find LSD more introspective and more about 'me' whereas with shrooms it's more about the other...the alien; the mysterious
Shrooms doesn't really seem to care at all about my puny humaness and seems to have much bigger and better things to show me than just myself which is again why I prefer them. Shrooms has much more of an explorative agenda for me and the introspection on shrooms really only happens at certain times usually right after the peak or during the peak but that's about it. LSD however I feel like I can get hit with introspection at anytime and have the whole trip be introspective probably because there's more continuity on an acid trip.
The introspection for both is also different. The introspection on mushrooms seem more "visual" and more evocative and reflective. The introspection for LSD though is more psychoanalytical and abrasive. I feel like LSD cares about me much less than shrooms do.
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I can see where you're coming from. LSD will cause you to analyze you're thoughts and surroundings. I feel more connected with myself and nature and matter on shrooms, to the point where I will drift off in my mind having g visions. LSD is more showing me a more vivid almost warped reality. I feel very one with life on acid and make alot of connections with things. I see alot of geometry with LSD which makes me think more calculate process rather than the dreamy state shrooms have. Im sorry if this makes no sense at all. It's hard to put words to it.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: SonicTitan]
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I see alot of geometry with LSD which makes me think more calculate process rather than the dreamy state shrooms have. Im sorry if this makes no sense at all. It's hard to put words to it.
Ha ya it makes perfect sense and I sort of agree. To me LSD seems more geometric and surging and I seem to enter a more delineated and analytical headspace. Like I can see contrasts and patterns in things very well and see the connections and differences between things in a way I never could before. I can also look at something like a cactus and feel like I'm looking at the essence of a cactus or its true character; same with people too.
LSD for me also has this strange vectorial perceptual effect where when I see people walking by it's not like I'm just seeing them walk by but like I'm seeing that person navigating through time and space even though everything looks roughly the same it's just the way I'm thinking about what I'm seeing.
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