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satch1234
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22324419 - 10/02/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, see it is your opinion that it is a coincidence. You have every right to hold that opinion and I won't argue with you. But can you really say it is a fact?
Mescaline feels way more like LSD to me too, but it still feels way better on my brain than LSD. And back to the issue of balance, LSD is just one chemical. Mescaline comes from a cactus, which contains a balance of alkaloids which effect the trip.
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Well I mean it is the question of subjectivity vs objectivity, objective reasoning has moved our species more than all other pursuits and that is the separation between it and subjective reasoning, where someone can say God in a mushroom and my opinion is valid because its mine, or we must sacrifice men to please the mushroom God. Sure I can't say that there is not a infinitesimally small chance that for some reason the creator hid drugs in weird plants in-amongst deadly/inactive species and disguised them as defence mechanisms... objectively unlikely..
O and he made those drugs have more balance than all other drugs that his creations could ever come up with?? 
Just because some plant has more than one chemical in it doesn't mean those other chemicals balance it, ergot contains a range of bad shit that does not balance anything.
Let me get this straight... the purpose of these plant alkoloids is to give balance to humans psychedelic trips???
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22324443 - 10/02/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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O and he made those drugs have more balance than all other drugs that his creations could ever come up with?? 

Who said that besides you?

Seems like a lot of people here are reading way to into this and trying to argue instead of just discussing this topic...
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Let me get this straight... the purpose of these plant alkoloids is to give balance to humans psychedelic trips???
Yes, believe it or not everything in the cactus effects the experience, from the plant matter effecting your digestion to all the random alkaloids that interact with eachother. It is much more than just one chemical or even a handful of alkaloids. Read up trip reports of pure mescaline vs bridgesii tea for instance, the difference is like mushrooms/ dmt vs ayahuasca.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22324460 - 10/02/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done the tea and pure mescaline many times I understand it's different. I just think these things can get us high, but they are not here to get us high.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22324526 - 10/02/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That depends on if you think the universe is chaotic and random, or the result of intelligent design and if you think psychs are just for recreation...
There is a lot of evidence pointing to the latter though People have been co evolving alongside plants for thousands and thousands of years.
I don't think it is that crazy to think plants might have similiar neurotransmitters in them so that we can communicate in a way.
Look at books like The Secret Life Of Plants, its clear they pick up on much more than most people realize and many people have experienced communicating with plants on high ayahuasca doses. There is a substantial amount of evidence pointing to the possibility honestly, it all depends on how and where you look and how open minded you are.
Natives who took these holy sacraments were certainly not imbibing to "get high" they were seeking guidance and wisdom from a higher power amongst other things.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22324558 - 10/02/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22324618 - 10/02/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah thats a cool fun idea, can't buy it personally tho, just because once again it fits for a few plant drugs but does not fit at all for many others.
Can't be selectively bias yaaa knooow.
Anyway all this talk has got me eyeing up my cacti
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22324633 - 10/02/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: Yeah thats a cool fun idea, can't buy it personally tho, just because once again it fits for a few plant drugs but does not fit at all for many others.
Can't be selectively bias yaaa knooow.
Anyway all this talk has got me eyeing up my cacti 
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22324657 - 10/02/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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One theory I like is the idea of conscious evolution. Basically some plants/ animals could have evolved malevolently and made poisons or became parasites while others evolved in more beneficial ways to their environment and fellow life forms. Its a cool idea at the very least, I try to keep an open mind and not lean one way or the other too much but I do prefer to believe more positive stuff like that than everything is just random. Who knows though Considering the positive and negative duality nature of the universe it could be possible honestly, anything is possible though.

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so much beyond our comprehension
its crazy how little we do perceive in the grand scheme of things, yet our brains and ego's insist our little chunk of reality is the most important
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Filterhead462]
#22324690 - 10/02/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.
I agree 100% Roughly 1000ug of LSD for me had nothing on 7+ grams of mushrooms
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: PinPornProducer]
#22324770 - 10/02/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22324812 - 10/02/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: PinPornProducer] 1
#22324868 - 10/02/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: lsd is weak shit, its fine for a recreational drug to have fun on but id never attempt to do any serious searching, simple tryptamines are just far more superior.
I agree 100% Roughly 1000ug of LSD for me had nothing on 7+ grams of mushrooms

Seems there are a few people out there who only think they ever took 1000 mics of acid, poor guys got short changed.
Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Northerner]
#22324925 - 10/02/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close
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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.
All depends on who you know really 
I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22325049 - 10/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close
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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.
All depends on who you know really 
I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.
The last 3 hits I had from the same strip seemed to each vary in strength. The first one really weak the second one was extremely strong... with my eyes open I was watching myself from the third person The third one seemed about right not to say I didn't enjoy the second and first.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22325078 - 10/02/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems that is not that uncommon, some people must suck at laying hits out or something 
Did you take all 3 with little to no psych tolerance I assume? At least you had an extra strong one too
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22325113 - 10/02/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: Although acid nowadays ain't shit compared to what it use to be, not even close
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Any dose above 400ug is very heavy, easily on par with 5+ grams of shrooms. Where the strength and amount of mushrooms is easily verifiable it's not so with acid.
All depends on who you know really 
I have seen a lot of mystery strength doses go around but 100 mic hits are also pretty common.
The last 3 hits I had from the same strip seemed to each vary in strength. The first one really weak the second one was extremely strong... with my eyes open I was watching myself from the third person The third one seemed about right not to say I didn't enjoy the second and first.
Mindset at the time makes a really big difference I think. Not really to strength of the experience but definitely to the perceived depth.
I'm yet to see a person with my own eyes who has taken 400ug and not had a high level 4 or level 5 experience. Though there's probably people out there with high chemical/psychological resistance to it who aren't effected... I never saw that though and every person I ever gave a strong tab to that claimed they were impervious definitely were not.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Northerner]
#22325571 - 10/02/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Seems that is not that uncommon, some people must suck at laying hits out or something 
Did you take all 3 with little to no psych tolerance I assume? At least you had an extra strong one too 
I've blown threw quite a bit of DMT, mushrooms, and 4-aco-dmt lately. I was on/still am kinda 4-aco when I typed that. I think it had been at least 2 weeks to a month before I took the first tab which was the weakest to me 
I know this stuff sounds crazy but I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right" as above so below right? I have had these experiences, I have seen the archetypes....


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Holding the loop of the ankh and using the stem to strike the rod, Horus creates a most haunting sound with the chimes. It is the loop of the ankh that insulates the person using it, and allows the straight end to vibrate for much longer. When the divine vibration is reached, the etheric serpents twist together as they move up the rod and through the higher chakras. This represents transcending the yin and yang of duality and radiating into the oneness of all being.

Sound like what can happen on DMT to anyone? I highly recommend studying history and reading stuff like the corpus hermeticum if this stuff interest you.
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Anubis also represents the hounds of the barrier who move only through angles. They wait to devour initiates who do not travel wisely when they leave their bodies. This means that souls must travel using fibonacci curves and not golden mean angles. Thoth warns:
“And if while free from thy body, though hearest the sound like the bay of a hound ringing clear and bell-like through thy being, flee back to thy body through circles, penetrate not the mist before.”
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I'm yet to see a person with my own eyes who has taken 400ug and not had a high level 4 or level 5 experience. Though there's probably people out there with high chemical/psychological resistance to it who aren't effected... I never saw that though and every person I ever gave a strong tab to that claimed they were impervious definitely were not.
Once you begin to unbox your mind/unconscious I think you develop a mental tolerance where you aren't taken unless you want to be. If that makes sense. For quite some time it was like being kidnapped to me. I would take something and it would start to happen then it would be over and I'd be like WTF just happened knowing something significant had taken place but it's like I missed it some how.
Now when I trip it's like I'm fully present for the whole experience and I don't get paranoid or paralyzed by fear either I love it. My attitude now is LET THEM COME
Flash blinding eyes, chariots descend Dark gods coming back to the Earth Through the black distant eye Upon the bloodred skies Their horned crowns glowing, crushing yell of death Welcome back!!!
(lead Spider)
Gates are opened, now winds take command Human skulls under feet "We came again to claim and reign" Eyes full of hate, their hands holding fire Mighty power strikes, thunder lash
(lead Spider) (lead Peter) (lead Spider)
Black demon's eye, a portal to the death Messenger of genocide The gods are spreading their wings, cover up the skies Striking in revenge, the beast is out of Hell
(lead Spider)
Dark, pride majesty marching in The world of life is kneeling down humbly The end or new begining, life or death The chosen ones awakened, raising to the stars
(lead Spider)
Portal is opened, once again Shadows move, the night is falling down so fast Blast of fire, never ends Black eye is calling, into the abysssss... Flash blinding eyes, chariots ascend The gods rising up to the stars Through the black distant eye upon the dark skies Their horned crowns glowing, fading yell in the air
As i said this stuff is crazy but......

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» The serpent energy (Apep) of our instinctual spines «
» The dog vibration (Set) of our loving hearts «
» The falcon awareness (Horus) of our soaring spirits «
» The female expression (Seshat) of resurrection «
So the “living image” of the Sphinx was an archetypal symbol of hereditary. For the ancients, it was a powerful reminder of an ancient narrative from which they drew their purpose, meaning and being. These men and women regarded one another as brothers and sisters who shared an ancient, profound kinship between themselves and all life.
So the riddle identifies the Sphinx as a stepping stone: a female symbol of life’s rebirth into higher worlds. In this respect she is no more than a chamber built to honour the sacred part of us. Her presence invites us to deepen our awareness and reconcile the many aspects of our inner nature. She holds power in her own right. When we understand her, we will love her as part of all creation. Once surrounded by water, she is the stepping stone of evolution—the ongoing promise of life.
We are stepping, all are stepping, all are stone stepping.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22325614 - 10/02/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSD aint got shit on Panaeolus.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22325685 - 10/02/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always really dug the caduceus symbol, if I ever get a tattoo it will probably be something like that or a yin yang 
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I think I might start tripping only when "the stars are right"
I know what you mean, also meditation/ focusing on the experience can really add to and make you get more out of it.
Egyptians were into some crazy stuff for sure, I have seen pyramids while tripping before as well as Egyptian style imagery too. Only once or twice though.
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Fantastic Mr. Fox said: LSD aint got shit on Panaeolus.

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