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DurgaDurg
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22305383 - 09/28/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't it rational to think that natural is always best. Could God have worked through albert hoffman and sent us LSD? Almost every where on the planet there are psychedelics for humans to find/eat. Now there are large citys and highways all over the place (thus a void for psychedelics to be found). Maybe LSD is a God send. Just a thought.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22305440 - 09/28/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well Here is how the main man here says: Well mushrooms are older and have more knowledge then LSD, LSD hasn't been around nearly as LONG as the mushroom. Different knowledge banks for sure, acid has style of it own. God it is so electric!!!
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22305562 - 09/28/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have had a similiar thought that lsd is like a semi recreational psyche for the masses. But anyone can grow mushrooms too
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22305609 - 09/28/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All psychedelics seem to be somewhat recreational...some more than others. It doesn't seem like mushrooms were very popular in western society back then. I'm not sure if they were or not, iv'e always wondered about that.
-------------------- When you see him look him in the eye, look him in the eye and he won’t dare to follow If you need to, hook him with your right, hook him with your right till he wiggles and wallows He sleeps atop a bag of raven’s legs, curled up rats napping by his head Takes his eye out with a ball point pen And makes nunchaku with his torn off legs You wake up with a hatchet over your head You wake up with a hatchet over your head
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22305675 - 09/28/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well anything can be recreational when used that way, I mainly meant a psych you can take lightly somewhat like at a party or just to have fun.
As apposed to say ayahuasca, mushrooms can be pretty recreational in ways too but if you don't take them seriously they will eventually make you
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22305717 - 09/28/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you think plant based drugs have more balance or whatever, it's a coincidence, it is not because they are plant based.
I understand the feeling you are connecting to shrooms.. but I definitely don't have that on say mescaline, which feels way more like lsd to me.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22305771 - 09/28/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, mescaline totally makes that argument invalid because peyote is a natural, holy plant that is very, very similar to LSD in its effects and the one time I've taken it, it was fucking party time. I'll approach it shamanically some day and I'm sure it will be spiritual, but it is so freaking similar to LSD, and doesn't feel any more "natural" to me. Maybe people are getting shitty acid. 
Mushrooms are older so they gots more knowledge?

Psilocybin and LSD have different effects, it has to do with molecular structure not molecular memory, you are welcome to prefer one or the other, but a better understanding of their individual psychopharmacology will yield more insight into the best way to use them and why they work differently than saying that God made the mushrooms smarter so they're better. Good Christ what a bunch of horse shit.
No sense fighting the irrational I suppose. I'm overdue both a mushroom trip as well as an LSD session, and I'd really love to have the chance to combine the both. I will say one last time, for those who haven't had spiritual encounters on LSD, the problem is you, not LSD. Leary started an LSD religion and I've never heard the voice of God more strongly than on LSD.
Ideally, one should be capable of having spiritual experiences sober, through meditation and other spiritual practices and just cultivating a positive, spiritual philosophy of a mindful, joyful and awe-filed life. When you are able to do so and then take psychedelics with a spiritual intent, they make it even easier and you can have consistently spiritual trips.
When I set aside the time to do a shamanic trip on mushrooms, then I have a spiritual experience. If I approach them with the mindset of "let's have some fun," then I have some fun. In this sense, ritual is crucial to the difference. Do LSD with ritual intent, treat it with reverence and as a sacrament, listen to holy, sacred music on it and come back to me with your results.
Sure, mushrooms are way easier to get a spiritual experience from then LSD and LSD makes it easier to have a spiritual experience than being sober, but just because mushrooms are like Spiritual Awakenings for Dummies doesn't mean they're more holy, it means that you're being lazy.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/28/15 10:48 PM)
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum] 1
#22307051 - 09/29/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is. It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME. Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting. It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience. Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly. You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.

Yeah...I don't drink or smoke weed, so....neither of them affect my trips ...I have no idea, nor do I wish to find out how they would affect my trip....Like I said earlier, LSD has always been clean and happy for me. Keep in mind, though, that I trip only once or twice a year.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22308354 - 09/29/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I LOVE them both, but i gotta say I like lsd more. It's such a silky smooth and clean trip for me, i have the greatest of times. When i take mushrooms i trip out on the fact they grow wild and I picked these things and now I'm enjoying the experience. 4-po-dmt and 4-ho-dmt wrapped up in 1 package.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: rickjamez20]
#22308385 - 09/29/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I gotta say if there were REAL DEAL LUCY around then for sure lysergic over reg ole shroomies, prob is without a bunk police test kit you may get nbome's, or some other fucken nasty, those precursors to make good lucy are not easy attained i'm told, kinda like ludes.
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Ha ha. Actually it has been a couple years. I'll be around Astoria this fall for sure. There are some fun guys to hang with there for sure. The most potent species anywhere according to mycologists. I'm a believer.
A buddy claims that the most potent fungi(hallucinogenic) is right in the pacific northwest? Anyone that can enlighten me on this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_azurescens
Anyone got any spores?lol
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Yah azures are the most potent and special to Astoria. So many people go to pick there they have increased the rangers and patrol over the years
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Northerner]
#22318024 - 10/01/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Northerner said: I just end up staring at the patterns with L in the second half of my trips. Wishing for sleep and the damn thing to end already. And then afterwards I feel confused and edgy for a good long while, sometimes days depending on the dose. Whereas with shrooms I can have a blasting good time and then go to bed, tripping balls or not. When I wake I feel invigorated and invariably better than I did before, somehow.
Down in the mushroom forests in SW Australia there are plenty of people who have eaten that one too many megadoses of shrooms and never really came right afterwards, it's scary to see. So I have a lot of respect for the stuff. I really don't want to be one of those guys.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22318047 - 10/01/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is. It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME. Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting. It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience. Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly. You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.

....plz don't "pop" molly.....that shit can hurt u.....also...Weed allways!!!
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22318072 - 10/01/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: Yeah, mescaline totally makes that argument invalid because peyote is a natural, holy plant that is very, very similar to LSD in its effects and the one time I've taken it, it was fucking party time. I'll approach it shamanically some day and I'm sure it will be spiritual, but it is so freaking similar to LSD, and doesn't feel any more "natural" to me. Maybe people are getting shitty acid. 
Mushrooms are older so they gots more knowledge?

Psilocybin and LSD have different effects, it has to do with molecular structure not molecular memory, you are welcome to prefer one or the other, but a better understanding of their individual psychopharmacology will yield more insight into the best way to use them and why they work differently than saying that God made the mushrooms smarter so they're better. Good Christ what a bunch of horse shit.
No sense fighting the irrational I suppose. I'm overdue both a mushroom trip as well as an LSD session, and I'd really love to have the chance to combine the both. I will say one last time, for those who haven't had spiritual encounters on LSD, the problem is you, not LSD. Leary started an LSD religion and I've never heard the voice of God more strongly than on LSD.
Ideally, one should be capable of having spiritual experiences sober, through meditation and other spiritual practices and just cultivating a positive, spiritual philosophy of a mindful, joyful and awe-filed life. When you are able to do so and then take psychedelics with a spiritual intent, they make it even easier and you can have consistently spiritual trips.
When I set aside the time to do a shamanic trip on mushrooms, then I have a spiritual experience. If I approach them with the mindset of "let's have some fun," then I have some fun. In this sense, ritual is crucial to the difference. Do LSD with ritual intent, treat it with reverence and as a sacrament, listen to holy, sacred music on it and come back to me with your results.
Sure, mushrooms are way easier to get a spiritual experience from then LSD and LSD makes it easier to have a spiritual experience than being sober, but just because mushrooms are like Spiritual Awakenings for Dummies doesn't mean they're more holy, it means that you're being lazy.

7g mush + 2 good hits =
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22323630 - 10/02/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been getting some fantastic acid lately and if I could take a tab of acid or an 8th of shrooms I'd do the shrooms. I think its because I am an introvert. When I take acid I love going outside and studying the world and the strange social interactions that go on. While on mushrooms I like to stay by myself and sort some things out. ( which I enjoy more) So maybe people like one more than the other because of the extrovert and introvert brain types.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234] 1
#22323909 - 10/02/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: If you think plant based drugs have more balance or whatever, it's a coincidence, it is not because they are plant based.
I understand the feeling you are connecting to shrooms.. but I definitely don't have that on say mescaline, which feels way more like lsd to me.
No, see it is your opinion that it is a coincidence. You have every right to hold that opinion and I won't argue with you. But can you really say it is a fact?
In other words are you saying it is absolutely 100% impossible that God created natural entheogens in balance with the rest of his creation and when you delve into the realms of the creation of Fallen Man, you don't always find that balance?
Mescaline feels way more like LSD to me too, but it still feels way better on my brain than LSD. And back to the issue of balance, LSD is just one chemical. Mescaline comes from a cactus, which contains a balance of alkaloids which effect the trip.
And to the guy earlier who said its possible God worked through Hoffman to make LSD, yes of course that is possible. I am not anti-LSD. I just think the natural entheogens are a lot better. Doesn't mean LSD isn't still good.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22323941 - 10/02/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A lot of people seem to take "I like x better" as "x is better than xx"
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22323986 - 10/02/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DAMMIT PEOPLE!....JUST COMMENT ON HOW FUNNY THE VIDEO IS!!  
...DID U WATCH IT?....
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22324091 - 10/02/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will now while I remember
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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