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musiclover420
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22300899 - 09/27/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DurgaDurg said:
In your previous comments you do talk a bit about lsd being synthetic and shrooms being natural...but no you didn't directly say one was better...you do however only seem to say mostly negative things about L.
Edit: Actually you did say mushrooms are safer because of potency and the fact that they are natural...so yeah that is kind of ignorant to say.
It is not ignorant, I said earlier I have seen people overdose on acid and mushrooms, hell I have blacked out on both myself.
So I have some experience to base what I am saying on... I did say I personally prefer mushrooms but I also said I use to love L 
I have known several people who were permanently changed in a negative way after bad acid experiences from massively overdoing it. Yet to see mushrooms do that.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom]
#22300906 - 09/27/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you not heard of reagent testing kits? They're cheap and commonly available on the internet.
http://www.eztest.com/product/ez-test-for-lsd/
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom] 1
#22300938 - 09/27/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Threads like this reek of the naturalistic fallacy. There are synthetic chemicals that are harmless and perfectly natural folk remedies that give you cancer, just look at perfectly safe synthetic vitamin C vs. the now known carcinogen and erstwhile folk remedy ginseng.
Chemistry and biology decide what is good for your body, not whether it is "organic," "natural" or synthetic. Synthesis just means "combination or composition," in other words, created with chemistry, so in that sense all chemicals are ultimately synthetic, for they have to have been synthesized at some point, whether in a lab or in a plant's cells.
Ergot is a lot more natural than LSD, and I'd take frying balls over St. Anthony's fire any day. It's fine to prefer one drug over the other because you like the effects or one has fewer side effects than the other, but to prefer drugs because they're "natural" is idiotic and irrational. As was stated earlier, there are plenty of safe synthetic drugs and a plethora of dangerous natural ones.
I will agree that LSD is more dangerous than psilocybin, it seems to re-wire the brain more permanently and doesn't give me that refreshing "reset" feeling that mushrooms do, but for that matter neither does mescaline.
For me, mushrooms are like eating your pyschic vegetables, it isn't always fun but it's good for you, LSD is more like a rich steak, it's good for you every once in a while and you wouldn't want to overdo it, but damn does it taste good.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22300993 - 09/27/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSD is awesome. Shrooms are awesome in a different, kinda creepier way. I came to the conclusion I preferred LSD, but I'm aching to try shrooms again soon, see whether my tastes have changed at all.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Ezuma]
#22301186 - 09/28/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22301272 - 09/28/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.
 I agree with this, I have a deep love for mushrooms but I just prefer LSD these days. I think its because I kind of burnt my self out on them eating truck loads of the fuckin things and kind of lost the magic. But I love them equally for sure. They are two different chemicals, one is no better than the other. They are both beautiful gems in my opinion
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I like both....but....
... THE MUSH COMES ACROSS THE PSYCHEDELIC OCEANS TO DELIVER THE PROMISE OF SPIRITUAL RES ERECTION.....
...I do love the audio L gives me....no afterglow or sleep kinda sux....
.....wait for it.........
....NATURAL IS BETTER...WAY BETTER!
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Eggtimer]
#22302430 - 09/28/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: LSD is as great as mushrooms if you don't hold onto the idea it isn't.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22302496 - 09/28/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My preference is mushrooms. You also have to take into account that every (body) is different and different things react in different ways.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: spirit_shadow]
#22303849 - 09/28/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.
I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22304291 - 09/28/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no definitive answer to this question. Psychedelic experiences are subjective, and preferences will vary from person to person. As far as I'm concerned, shrooms suck. They give me an uncomfortable & confusing trip with no lasting worthwhile introspection. I may try them again at some point...probably will. But LSD will always be #1 for me. No other substance gives me that level of introspection. My LSD are super spiritual, full of crystal clarity, inner connection, universal connections, love, and personal insight. The majority are also a lot of fun, and the visuals/full sensory experience is incredible. There's really nothing like it.
To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy.  Regarding the natural is better argument; total horseshit that shows a total lack of knowledge regarding psychopharmacology. What a joke. Saying you prefer them is one thing. Shrooms work better for some people, that's a fact & if you're one of those people that's cool. All this " all synthetics are missing blah blah blah" crap though.... Nope. Misinformation with no basis in reality.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
#22304572 - 09/28/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just end up staring at the patterns with L in the second half of my trips. Wishing for sleep and the damn thing to end already. And then afterwards I feel confused and edgy for a good long while, sometimes days depending on the dose. Whereas with shrooms I can have a blasting good time and then go to bed, tripping balls or not. When I wake I feel invigorated and invariably better than I did before, somehow.
Down in the mushroom forests in SW Australia there are plenty of people who have eaten that one too many megadoses of shrooms and never really came right afterwards, it's scary to see. So I have a lot of respect for the stuff. I really don't want to be one of those guys.
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Edited by Northerner (09/28/15 06:59 PM)
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
#22304596 - 09/28/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy. 
Yeah, I laughed too. Or did I groan? Fuck I dunno, maybe both at the same time.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22304606 - 09/28/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.
I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol
I have had the opposite expereince. L is so mentally stimulating it mindfucks me very easily, mushrooms even when things start feeling negative I can just put positive energy out and almost instantly be feeling good again. I was at a festival years ago with two friends on an 8th each of some very visual cubes, anyways my friend lost a ton of his stuff by losing a backpack and we walked around for hours trying to find it, it started bringing us down then we just started putting a bunch of positive energy out and everything was great again 
On L we probably would have been wigging out at all the shit he lost and annoyed we wasted so much time trying to help him find his shit.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22304860 - 09/28/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: I like that, on LSD....if things seem to be starting to go south, I can almost always just change something ....like, take a walk or listen to a different type of music, maybe move to a different group of people....I can always seem to reset my good vibes. Mushrooms, on the other hand own you...you simply have to surrender to them and go where they take you....sometimes that can be a dark place....sometimes not. But, I know that trying to take control on a strong mushroom trip is futile and detrimental to the trip.
I love them both but I tend to try LSD more when among a crowd and mushrooms are my go to "alone in nature" trip where I reset myself spiritually. I also agree that the LSD hangover is stronger than mushrooms....I'm in one now.lol
I have had the opposite expereince. L is so mentally stimulating it mindfucks me very easily, mushrooms even when things start feeling negative I can just put positive energy out and almost instantly be feeling good again. I was at a festival years ago with two friends on an 8th each of some very visual cubes, anyways my friend lost a ton of his stuff by losing a backpack and we walked around for hours trying to find it, it started bringing us down then we just started putting a bunch of positive energy out and everything was great again 
On L we probably would have been wigging out at all the shit he lost and annoyed we wasted so much time trying to help him find his shit.
Do you smoke weed on L? I find there is very little mind-fuck with LSD until you smoke weed, then suddenly you go full-retard.  I suppose if you're dosing 150+ mcgs then it's another story.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Dark_Star]
#22304881 - 09/28/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: There is no definitive answer to this question. Psychedelic experiences are subjective, and preferences will vary from person to person. As far as I'm concerned, shrooms suck. They give me an uncomfortable & confusing trip with no lasting worthwhile introspection. I may try them again at some point...probably will. But LSD will always be #1 for me. No other substance gives me that level of introspection. My LSD are super spiritual, full of crystal clarity, inner connection, universal connections, love, and personal insight. The majority are also a lot of fun, and the visuals/full sensory experience is incredible. There's really nothing like it.
To the guy that claims 1,000 mics didn't touch 7 grams; LOL, sure buddy.  Regarding the natural is better argument; total horseshit that shows a total lack of knowledge regarding psychopharmacology. What a joke. Saying you prefer them is one thing. Shrooms work better for some people, that's a fact & if you're one of those people that's cool. All this " all synthetics are missing blah blah blah" crap though.... Nope. Misinformation with no basis in reality.
What is reality? You sound quite confident that you know what reality is.
It's funny you begin your post with "psychedelic experience are subjective" and then end with that.
First of when people say natural is better we are not saying eating any chemical that occurs is nature is healthier for you than anything man made.
We are saying something more like, our intuition and experience seems to tell us that there is a natural balance with the body that exists between natural plant enthegoens and the human body and this balance is absent with synthetic chemicals.
That is our experience and it is just as valid as anyone elses experience and the simple fact of the matter is that you can't prove it false with any amount of "psychopharmacology" because unless you have full knowledge of the nature of man and the nature of God/the universe, how could you possibly answer a question like this for certain one way or the other?
Fact is, you can't. Fact is, psychedelic experience is subjective as you say. Some people prefer synthetics, others believe they lack something. End of story. Why you gotta go disrespecting us? I don't disrespect your opinion if you think synthetic is the same or better. I note your opinion and move on. I may disagree with it, but I am going to claim you dont know what youre talking and need to study "psycho pharmacology" witch btw, is just another human invention.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22304912 - 09/28/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: Threads like this reek of the naturalistic fallacy. There are synthetic chemicals that are harmless and perfectly natural folk remedies that give you cancer, just look at perfectly safe synthetic vitamin C vs. the now known carcinogen and erstwhile folk remedy ginseng.
Chemistry and biology decide what is good for your body, not whether it is "organic," "natural" or synthetic. Synthesis just means "combination or composition," in other words, created with chemistry, so in that sense all chemicals are ultimately synthetic, for they have to have been synthesized at some point, whether in a lab or in a plant's cells.
Ergot is a lot more natural than LSD, and I'd take frying balls over St. Anthony's fire any day. It's fine to prefer one drug over the other because you like the effects or one has fewer side effects than the other, but to prefer drugs because they're "natural" is idiotic and irrational. As was stated earlier, there are plenty of safe synthetic drugs and a plethora of dangerous natural ones.
I will agree that LSD is more dangerous than psilocybin, it seems to re-wire the brain more permanently and doesn't give me that refreshing "reset" feeling that mushrooms do, but for that matter neither does mescaline.
For me, mushrooms are like eating your pyschic vegetables, it isn't always fun but it's good for you, LSD is more like a rich steak, it's good for you every once in a while and you wouldn't want to overdo it, but damn does it taste good. 
No it's not "idiotic and irrational" or maybe it isn't rational actually but rational may not be the best thing to be. I am going to leave this debate with a quote from one of history's great mushroom philosophers, Jacob Boehme.
"Man in his cosmic aspect is a being very superior to that which is commonly looked upon as a "man," and which is described in books on anthropology, anatomy, &c. Such external sciences deal only with the grossly material body of external terrestrial man, while the essential body of macrocosmic and microcosmic man is beyond the reach of external observation. In the study of man as a cosmic being there are three subjects to be considered, although the three are only three aspects of one. These three subjects are God, Nature, and Man, and neither one of them can be understood in its inner essence without an understanding of the other two. External science, "natural philosophy," and theology seek to separate them. They regard man as a being separated, distinct, and independent of nature, and nature as something independent of man; while of God they know nothing, and regard the divine power, which is the cause of all life, as if it were something external to nature and man, and beyond their reach. For this reason the "man" of modern science has become an unnatural being, without any conceivable object for his existence, and nature is to him an organism evolved by accidence and subject to no other than mechanically acting law. The divine, spiritual, creative, and hidden powers in man and in nature are entirely removed from the field of perception of the "rationalist.""
Last sentence bolded a reason.
I used to be a rationalist, but thankfully psychedelics helped me go beyond rationalism. Now I am able to learn all sorts of things from my intuitive faculties which used to be off limits to me because they couldn't be arrived at rationally.
One of the thigns I have learned is that the body was made to ingest natural substances and there is a natural balance between my body mind and natural entheogens which does not exist with LSD. Doesn't mean LSD is bad, or that you can't have the time of your life on LSD. It just means I don't prefer it.
My experience is just as valid as anyone elses. Not going to say its more valid. If LSD feels good and natural to you, thats your reality and thats fine. We each live in our own reality with its own rules.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22304946 - 09/28/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the past I have pretty much been very stoned every time I have tripped, or at least somewhat stoned.
I have definitely considered that playing a role, I have gotten the very distinct message in the past that I should separate the two for deeper experiences.
I have seen people lose their shit off of one strong hit though, too be fair he was also pretty drunk which definitely contributed. Was horrible though.
I just have more negative L experiences than mushrooms I guess, I have had many great experiences on both over the years I just realized I prefer the latter.
I have been wanting to get more into LSA though or try some L for the first time in at least a year. I would rather take the time to try mescaline though.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22305209 - 09/28/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Next time you try acid, don't drink, don't smoke weed, don't do anything that adds to the mindfuck and you'll see how clear the acid mindspace is. It's almost as clear as mescaline, IME. Weed makes it super heavy and disorienting. It can be great in the middle of the trip when you're ready to crawl into a pile of blankets and crank some serious tunes, but too early will ruin the experience. Have a chill setting with some good upbeat tunes, about an hour or so after you've come up and are making way to your peak, pop some molly. You'll come to appreciate the brighter side of LSD.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/28/15 09:06 PM)
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22305253 - 09/28/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have had some great experiences on it, only one or two "bad" ones and they were more of overdoses 
I know a lot of other people who have taken to much to fast and lost their shit too though, cannabis was probably involved wit them all though.
Personally I don't drink much, and I always enjoyed smoking during all my trips really. So I usually smoked a ton extra and had a blast.
Next time I take L I will try to do it on its own though as I intend to sober up more in general and have been on a long psych break.
I have candied flipped a couple times too, once with sass years ago. Definitely a fun mix, too much of either would burn me out hardcore though.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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