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Peyote Road
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22300088 - 09/27/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: To me LSD is the commercial psychedelic experience. It's a cheap and strong psychedelic that can make you realize a bunch of stuff about yourself and the universe however something lacks for me. It's more of a drug to me than any other psychedelic due to the fact that I feel intoxicated while on it. I feel like I am within the human mind on LSD while on mushrooms I feel like Im within something greater. Mushrooms seem like the genuine psychedelic experience. Very deep, very philosophical, very meaningful,and serious yet silly and hilarious at the same time. The closed eyed visuals on mushrooms are way better than the ones on LSD. I sometimes go to other universes on mushrooms with my eyes closed while LSD just shows me fractals. The body high on mushrooms is way better than the LSD body high as well. LSD makes me feel like im buzzing and/or fading away while Mushrooms make me feel like im made of jello. Mushrooms win, they are my favorite substance in existence after DMT.
i agree with this and i love the silly aspect of mushrooms but also I felt from the very beginning that LSD lacked the body high of natural psychedelics and that kills it for me.
If I am going to trip for 8-12 hours, I at least want a body high for my trouble.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22300159 - 09/27/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wtf how do you guys not get a body high on lsd? To me lsd feels amazing body highwise its like almost mdma
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
#22300179 - 09/27/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agree with many above statements. Research chemicals posing as LSD are very common nowadays, and many people here may have experienced some of these synthetics and thought it was LSD because that's what they were told.. (2CI,2CB,2CE,2CP,25I, etc) BUT True LSD has never given me extra fatigue, mental dis-clarity, robbed me of the ability to carry on my life the next day, or any negative side effects at that. I have dosed from 125-250m's to 800m's+ many MANY tens of times and experienced all my normal physicality as if life was never interrupted. REAL LSD is uniquely stimulating and highly revealing from each person to the next, just like our lovely Mushies. The journey's are different but the result is the same. Of course trip characteristics are different; and I've experiences many similar to what's been said by others here; but my concern is that what they have taken is not pure LSD-25 and are assigning negative connotations when, in fact, they did not take true LSD. And they may never know or be able to break their personal Stigma's until they indeed come across and experience, What is Pure LSD. Once one experiences Pure LSD-25, you WILL know the difference! Pure LSD is just that, Purity at it's finest.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22300235 - 09/27/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can we also keep in mind that psychoactive drugs work differently for everyone? Just because a drug doesn't do much for you doesn't mean it's a shitty drug, it's just a shitty drug for you. Set and setting as well as confirmation bias also need to be taken into account. If you take LSD expecting it to feel shallow and unnatural because it's synthesized, then it probably will be. The placebo effect is particularly pronounced when it comes to psychedelics because of the increase in suggestibility they cause.
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Peyote Road
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
#22300269 - 09/27/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wtf how do you guys not get a body high on lsd? To me lsd feels amazing body highwise its like almost mdma
Well, to be fair I do get a body from LSD but it always konks out on me right after the peak. I remember once taking a fairly strong dose andf feeling like my body was ddissolving in an ocean of bliss and thinking "this is gonna be one awesome trip" but then instead of getting more awesome it just faded away right before my eyes.
With mushrooms the body high lasts most of the trip.
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satch1234 said: Every drug is "synthetic".... either biological synthesized or laboratory synthesized. To believe that biological molecules are somehow better is silly and short sighted, keeping in mind that the most potent truly horrific toxins known are naturally occurring on this planet(in seaweed).
If you broaden your thoughts to the far reaches of the universe, well its almost a certainty that molecules like lsd, MDMA e.t.c will have come together outside the hands of monkeys.
This synthetic thing means nothing
I respect your opinion, but disagree with it. The fact that the most potent toxins occur naturally in no way disproves the theory that natural entheogens are better.
I will also say that I used to think like you, I used to think what difference does it make where a chemical comes from and made no distintction between natural and synthetic drugs. But after actually experiencing a host of drugs, I came to realize the natural ones were usually better.Quote:
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-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
#22300284 - 09/27/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Starless said: Can we also keep in mind that psychoactive drugs work differently for everyone? Just because a drug doesn't do much for you doesn't mean it's a shitty drug, it's just a shitty drug for you. Set and setting as well as confirmation bias also need to be taken into account. If you take LSD expecting it to feel shallow and unnatural because it's synthesized, then it probably will be. The placebo effect is particularly pronounced when it comes to psychedelics because of the increase in suggestibility they cause.
Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.
One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22300455 - 09/27/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.
One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.
Are you just referring to a select few of naturally occurring molecules that you find enjoyable? of the 100s out there. What about scopolamine? salvinorium a? cocaine? cathinones? Those drugs suck and/or are pretty damn destructive.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: LuckeyMA]
#22300546 - 09/27/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LuckeyMA said: Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol
I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."
And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Peyote Road]
#22300586 - 09/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lsd wasn't made from man...it was divine intervention
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22300587 - 09/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: Yes, thats very true. The only reason I trust my experiences is because I did not expect natural drugs to be different. I also recognize that synthetic drugs have their advantages also, but I also feel they lack something.
One theory I have come up with is that there are other alkaloids in plants that contribute to the trip. This is why people report inferior trips with pure mescaline vs cactus and why pure thc isnt as pleasant as weed. WIth LSD its man made so there is no other alkaloids to balance it out.
Are you just referring to a select few of naturally occurring molecules that you find enjoyable? of the 100s out there. What about scopolamine? salvinorium a? cocaine? cathinones? Those drugs suck and/or are pretty damn destructive.
I think its pretty clear this is a discussion about natural psychedelics. Salvia has a bad rap becouse it is used wrong and commonly abused.
You could say the same about scopolamine What sucks about salvia?
It is the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen and has a beautiful history of ceremonial use.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: champinhom]
#22300607 - 09/27/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LuckeyMA said: Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol
I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."
And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise
Can you cite any examples of real LSD being cut with other substances or tainted with dangerous impurities? Of course there are always things being sold as something that they're not, but if you take the effort to find a reliable contact and test your drugs, then that's not a problem. Mushrooms can be confused with similar looking poisonous species or be infected with toxic mold. Any drug has it's risks, that's why you need to be a responsible and discerning user.
-------------------- Think, it ain't illegal yet. - George Clinton Substances I have allegedly taken: Cannabis (bud, edibles, and concentrates), Mushrooms (P. Cubensis), LSD, ETH-LAD, ALD-52, DMT, MDMA, Mescaline (Peruvian Torch), 25I-NBOMe, Salvia Divinorum (10x), Syrian Rue, Amanita Muscaria (10x), Cocaine, Nightshade (Henbane). All posts are hypothetical or entirely fictional.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22300611 - 09/27/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you gonna tell us scopolamine and cocaine are better than lsd because they're natural?
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Edited by DurgaDurg (09/27/15 09:17 PM)
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22300621 - 09/27/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: I think its pretty clear this is a discussion about natural psychedelics.
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DurgaDurg said: Are you gonna tell us scopolamine and cocaine are better than lsd because they're natural?
That is like comparing apples and potatoes
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22300690 - 09/27/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, the point is saying natural is better than synthetic is dumb...even if you're just referring to psychedelics.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22300715 - 09/27/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Care to quote me as to where I said either was better?
What I did say was naturally occuring psychs feel more organic to me which is true and no I was not biased, I use to love L. I ate my fair share when I was younger.
But I realized overtime I did not really like it as much as I thought. Now I would much rather take some LSA or something else the majority of the time
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22300728 - 09/27/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The point was that you can't say O I like shrooms and dmt natural drugs are better... In bringing up those other substances I was illustrating the fact that that many people ignore the questionable chemistry nature does and focus on rare structures are that are enjoyable and desirable. Yes you may like naturally occurring substances better but the fact that the are naturally occurring is not WHY they are better.
.. I know alot more people that dislike salvia than like it.
It is a very primitive, human centred notion to somehow think that this chemistry is done in these plants for YOU, and not for the species itself.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: satch1234]
#22300741 - 09/27/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: musiclover420]
#22300754 - 09/27/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In your previous comments you do talk a bit about lsd being synthetic and shrooms being natural...but no you didn't directly say one was better...you do however only seem to say mostly negative things about L.
Edit: Actually you did say mushrooms are safer because of potency and the fact that they are natural...so yeah that is kind of ignorant to say.
Edited by DurgaDurg (09/27/15 09:58 PM)
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22300767 - 09/27/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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4-aco-dmt is synthetic and i find no difference between using that and mushrooms,
4-aco-dmt feels natural probably because it breaks down into psilocin if i understand correctly.
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Re: LSD VS. SHROOMS .....THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER [Re: Starless]
#22300866 - 09/27/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LuckeyMA said: Yes the lsd on the streets has been great. There are plently of labs with all the proper precursors and equipment to synth lsd not to mention it only takes about one good sized lab to synth millions upon millions of doses. And what may i ask are they "cutting" lsd with lol
I remember saying to my dad one time, apropo something I was doing that he warned me would get the unwanted attention of the Law: "Dad, what I'm doing is not illegal. The cops can't do a thing." He looked at me and said, more in sorrow than in anger:" Boy, they can do anything they want to."
And I say to you: Black market chemists can do likewise
Mushrooms can be confused with similar looking poisonous species or be infected with toxic mold. Any drug has it's risks, that's why you need to be a responsible and discerning user.
Mushrooms can be homegrown. You will not be confused by similar looking poisonous species when you grow your own. The ratio of people who can grow their own mushrooms to those who can synthesize their own LSD is What? 100,000/1 ? And, tell me, how can you test your LSD except by getting it some way into your blood stream?
Sunff of this. Let us agree to differ. There is a reason you like LSD. There is a reason I like psilocybin. Good enough.
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