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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22313070 - 09/30/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: And here are the stats on why people buy guns (from 2013):
protection - 48% hunting - 32% target/sport shooting - 7% 2nd amendment - 2% collect guns - 2% other 7% don't know 1%
The vast majority buy them for protection.
who's ass did you pull these stat's from?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Gorlax]
#22313085 - 09/30/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well I feel bad about the situation but this was obviously brought on by horrible lawyers. You can't prove negligence or intent because someone sold someone something that they used to kill someone with. That's like suing the kitchen knife makers for someone using it to murder another. It just doesn't work like that. This dude was just a loose cannon and would have done damage either way. I can't believe a lawyer would actually drag a victims family through this probably knowing that it was frivolous. Now I'm going to youtube funny judge judy moments. lol
consider this, the ammo manufacturer did not sell the ammo directly to anyone, they sold it to a distributor who then sold it to a retailer, the retailer then sold it to the end user
how can the manufacturer know the intent of the end user
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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While you're in here dropping logic bombs, drop the logic on why having to have a background check and registration on ammo purchases is absurd.
I really didn't know what to say to that, where do you even begin?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22313119 - 09/30/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Well I feel bad about the situation but this was obviously brought on by horrible lawyers. You can't prove negligence or intent because someone sold someone something that they used to kill someone with. That's like suing the kitchen knife makers for someone using it to murder another. It just doesn't work like that. This dude was just a loose cannon and would have done damage either way. I can't believe a lawyer would actually drag a victims family through this probably knowing that it was frivolous. Now I'm going to youtube funny judge judy moments. lol
I said this before:
The main purpose of a car is not to kill or maim someone but you have to show several forms of i.d. to get a license and you have to register the car.
The main purpose of a gun is to kill or maim someone. Yet, in many states, you can get one without showing i.d. and without needing to register it.
can you show us where someone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun without ID, I mean you dont go through a federal background check to get a driver's license but you have to show ID, and go through background checks to walk into a store and buy a gun
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There should be background checks, registration, and licensing -- both for the guns and the ammunition. And things like armor piercing, (cop-killer) bullets should not be available .
there are background checks, the serial number of the weapon is recorded and kept on file, this is how they manage to trace guns back to retailers and purchasers, licensing is required in most states if you choose to carry those guns or if you intend to use them for hunting
armor piercing rounds for pistols are in fact illegal in the US
you clearly know nothing about guns or gun laws in the US, you must get all your info from the propaganda machine of the anti-gun establishment
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Didn't it occur to anyone that people who are into pisil (pseudo-islamic state) could get guns, ammo and bullets just as easily as James Holmes?
I can buy uranium ore
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
#22313183 - 09/30/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: While you're in here dropping logic bombs, drop the logic on why having to have a background check and registration on ammo purchases is absurd.
I really didn't know what to say to that, where do you even begin?
because liberals are fucking retarded, anti-gun liberals are retarded10 since they dont want to ruin their son's life by sticking him in an institution when he's graduated from pulling the wings off flied to skinning the family dog alive. I have a friend that was institutionalized at 14, he cannot pass a background check because his parents did what was right when they woke up with him standing over them with an axe. why arent people encouraged to place their children some place that protects the public from the monsters that they've created? why arent we suing the parents or locking them up for their negligence and intent when they unleash these killers on the world with the ability to still buy a gun. so their answer is to ban the tool the monsters they've created used instead of stopping the monsters
why do liberals want to ban the guns when the problem is the a small fraction of the people that were not institutionalized by their parents, a larger number of criminals that the liberals love to make excuses for when claiming the cop is a murderer when he did his job in protecting the people and himself
just think about how many times you hear the family of someone caught killing a store worker the relatives defended them claiming they're good kids, that they went to church and everything... why didnt James Holmes' parents say that about their kid? why werent they sued since they're more directly responsible for these deaths than the ammo and gun manufacturers
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
#22317360 - 10/01/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Nah man, milk and eggs don't have shit on steak and ribs.
"Compared to 31,766 people who ate meat at least once per week:
Occasional meat eaters (8,135 people who ate meat less than once per week) had a 20% reduced rate of dying of heart disease and a 10% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Those who ate no meat other than fish (2,375 people) had a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease and an 18% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Lacto-ovo vegetarians (23,265 people) had a 38% reduced rate of dying from lung cancer, a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease, and a 15% reduced rate of mortality. Vegans (753 people) had a heart disease rate of .74 (.46, 1.21) and a mortality rate of 1.00 (.70, 1.44). There were no statistically significant differences between the vegans and the regular meat-eaters for any causes of death.
Could Vegans Have Fared Better?
It should be noted that when these studies began, the full importance of vegans' getting a reliable supply of vitamin B12 was not known." http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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see that's the problem with studies, without listing how much those people exercised that study means absolutely shit. The vegetarians are the most likely to run n shit, but still the problem is we really don't have the numbers and its a very important detail
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22318596 - 10/01/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: see that's the problem with studies, without listing how much those people exercised that study means absolutely shit. The vegetarians are the most likely to run n shit, but still the problem is we really don't have the numbers and its a very important detail
Exactly. Correlation does not equal causation. Not to mention you can eat like shit and still be a vegetarian. I know, I lived it.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
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Shroomslip said: Nah man, milk and eggs don't have shit on steak and ribs.
"Compared to 31,766 people who ate meat at least once per week:
Occasional meat eaters (8,135 people who ate meat less than once per week) had a 20% reduced rate of dying of heart disease and a 10% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Those who ate no meat other than fish (2,375 people) had a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease and an 18% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Lacto-ovo vegetarians (23,265 people) had a 38% reduced rate of dying from lung cancer, a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease, and a 15% reduced rate of mortality. Vegans (753 people) had a heart disease rate of .74 (.46, 1.21) and a mortality rate of 1.00 (.70, 1.44). There were no statistically significant differences between the vegans and the regular meat-eaters for any causes of death.
Could Vegans Have Fared Better?
It should be noted that when these studies began, the full importance of vegans' getting a reliable supply of vitamin B12 was not known." http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
my statistics shows that eating meat prolongs life by at least 50 years
don't worry, my statistics are legit, the sample size was 1 and it was me... and I'm not even 50
but its legit study bro... just look at the link
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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endogenous said: If the Truth sounds condescending, then so be it.
You people talk about slaughter of other animals and humans as well, as if it's a big joke.
Y so serious?
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That is exactly how Tex Watson sounded when he talked about how the people at Sharon Tate's house, who he murdered, ran around in terror and panic.
That's just rich. Comparing meat eaters to psychotic murderers.
Your not exactly staying on topic op.
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endogenous said: He thought it was a big joke. He laughed alot about it.
Well, that could be because he was fucked up on entheogens.
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That isn't what comes from Entheogens.
Sanctamonious hippy crap. Violence can and does happen when people are tripping.
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endogenous said: If the Truth sounds condescending, then so be it.
You people talk about slaughter of other animals and humans as well, as if it's a big joke.
That is exactly how Tex Watson sounded when he talked about how the people at Sharon Tate's house, who he murdered, ran around in terror and panic. He thought it was a big joke. He laughed alot about it.
That isn't what comes from Entheogens.
It is what comes from cocaine, opiates, alcohol, belladonna. etc.
That is why I am assuming that that is what you've been doing.
It's people like you who give Entheogens a bad name -- just as the "Manson followers" Tex Watson and Susan Atkins did to LSD. They were into belladonna and speed, but LSD got blamed.
When it comes to the cannibalism thing, I think you should take one for the team.
Vegan long pork, mmmmmmm.
Keep eating those veggies op.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: can you show us where someone can walk into a gun store and buy a gun without ID,
The problem is with private and internet sales, which is what Holmes used. Also gun shows.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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Shroomslip said: Nah man, milk and eggs don't have shit on steak and ribs.
"Compared to 31,766 people who ate meat at least once per week:
Occasional meat eaters (8,135 people who ate meat less than once per week) had a 20% reduced rate of dying of heart disease and a 10% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Those who ate no meat other than fish (2,375 people) had a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease and an 18% reduced rate of overall mortality.
Lacto-ovo vegetarians (23,265 people) had a 38% reduced rate of dying from lung cancer, a 34% reduced rate of dying from heart disease, and a 15% reduced rate of mortality. Vegans (753 people) had a heart disease rate of .74 (.46, 1.21) and a mortality rate of 1.00 (.70, 1.44). There were no statistically significant differences between the vegans and the regular meat-eaters for any causes of death.
Could Vegans Have Fared Better?
It should be noted that when these studies began, the full importance of vegans' getting a reliable supply of vitamin B12 was not known." http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
so eating vegan reduces the risk of lung cancer
and I guess you dont see the retardation of your source
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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You're not buying a gun online without ID. Not a legal one anyways. They are shipped to an FFL (Federal Firearms License) where a background check is ran before you can take possession of the gun. As for private sales, sure you could technically get one without a background check or license, it's not highly likely though. Most people on forums who are trading or selling their guns to other online people require a valid state ID and a signed Bill of Sale at the minimum before they will sell their gun to you, plenty will only sell to someone with a CHL. Legit people who have guns legally aren't too keen on selling to people who seem off or who may use the gun in an illegal way, because then that shit can come back on them.
As for your constant argument that background checks should be ran and registration mandated on bullets That's just stupid. It's completely redundant. If someone has the gun to fire the bullets, obviously whatever red flags that would come up on ammo purchases didn't come up when they got the gun. If you wanna argue they stole the gun or "borrowed" it from a family member or something, well they could do the same with the ammo. How are you going to put serial numbers on the bullets? Bullets get mangled when fired, not only that, you're going to need a way to put billions upon billions of serial numbers on the bullet and the casing to verify the bullets they were allowed to buy are actually what they have. Then what about people who reload ammo and cast their own slugs? What's to stop people from just filing off the serial numbers of the bullets?
Are you gonna foot the massive bill that doing all this would cost? I sure as fuck am not.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You should look at the article. While your prejudiced view may not allow you to accept anything by a vegan, the studies that were quoted were not done by the authors of the article.
Population Studies with Large Numbers of Vegetarians Study Country Years Number of Vegans Adventist Mortality USA 1960-65 Adventist Health USA 1974-97 Health Food Shoppers UK 1976-88 Oxford Vegetarian UK 1981-2000 Heidelberg Germany 1978-99 Meta Analysis - of the above studies 1999 EPIC-Oxford UK 1993 - 2,600 Adventist Health Study-2 USA 2002 - 5,500
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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endogenous said: You should look at the article. While your prejudiced view may not allow you to accept anything by a vegan, the studies that were quoted were not done by the authors of the article.
Population Studies with Large Numbers of Vegetarians Study Country Years Number of Vegans Adventist Mortality USA 1960-65 Adventist Health USA 1974-97 Health Food Shoppers UK 1976-88 Oxford Vegetarian UK 1981-2000 Heidelberg Germany 1978-99 Meta Analysis - of the above studies 1999 EPIC-Oxford UK 1993 - 2,600 Adventist Health Study-2 USA 2002 - 5,500
Quit posting off-topic.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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I said: And here are the stats on why people buy guns (from 2013):
protection - 48% hunting - 32% target/sport shooting - 7% 2nd amendment - 2% collect guns - 2% other 7% don't know 1%
The vast majority buy them for protection.
I wanted to add to this that although I'm sure you gun advocates don't consider your fellow beings (animals, etc.) as "someone" - I do consider my fellow beings as someone. That means that 80% of people who own guns have them for the main purpose of killing or harming someone.
"For those who have Ears, let them listen to what the Spirit is Saying to the Churches." -- Revelations
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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Do you have any level of comprehension on the level of irony you just took part in by quoting basically "those with ears should listen"?
You've been told already. Possessing a gun as a home defense tool, does not mean the gun is intended to to be used for that (by that I mean shoot someone).
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I have 2 guns currently, both stay loaded with hollow point, all I have to do is pull back the slide and I'm ready to shoot. It is my sincere hope I never will have to use them, and this will just remain a fun hobby for me. I have guns for self protection, I do not have them because I intend to shoot someone. As above, I'd rather not.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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I said: And here are the stats on why people buy guns (from 2013):
protection - 48% hunting - 32% target/sport shooting - 7% 2nd amendment - 2% collect guns - 2% other 7% don't know 1%
The vast majority buy them for protection.
I wanted to add to this that although I'm sure you gun advocates don't consider your fellow beings (animals, etc.) as "someone" - I do consider my fellow beings as someone. That means that 80% of people who own guns have them for the main purpose of killing or harming someone.
so do people need to eat? should I be allowed to live should some criminal decide I'm not a fellow being?
the people that buy a gun with the intent to harm others are called criminals, what I dont consider is your opinion, what you feel and what you believe is fine for you, that's your beliefs, what I believe is for me. your beliefs shouldnt encroach on my own just as mine should not step on yours. if you dont wish to own a gun then dont own a gun, if you dont want to shoot your food, then dont but understand that I do not own a gun with the intent of harming someone any more than I own a fire extinguisher with the intent of setting my house ablaze
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I do not own a gun with the intent of harming someone any more than I own a fire extinguisher with the intent of setting my house ablaze
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The point I was originally trying to make was that people do not buy cars for the purpose of harming or killing anyone, but for the purpose of transporting themselves. The vast majority of people who buy guns, buy them for the purpose of killing or harming a fellow being whether that being is an animal or a criminal, or their spouse or schoolmates. I am not considering whether or not people should be allowed to own guns -- only what the intended purpose is.
People have to get registrations, insurance, and licenses to buy cars. It should be mandatory for people to get these things for guns, and background checks should be added to the list. The licenses should be like for cars also -- they should have to demonstrate that they know how to use the gun safely.
There should be no one who can purchase a gun without these things.
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