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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: lowbrow]
    #22301130 - 09/28/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ahem!:notamused:


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You ever going to answer my question or are you gonna keep ignoring it?






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He's gonna keep ignoring it like he's going to ignore my post and then a page later say guns are only used to kill again.




:rofl: Pretty obvious at this point.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22301517 - 09/28/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The main purpose of a gun is to kill or injure someone.



Source?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22301806 - 09/28/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Lonnie and Sandy Phillips

We have been getting a lot of questions about our lawsuit against Lucky Gunner, the online company that sold ammunition to the man who murdered our daughter Jessica along with 11 others in an Aurora, Colorado, theater. Especially after the Rachel Maddow Show covered us twice, people ask us about the judge's order that we pay Lucky Gunner's attorneys' fees, since our lawsuit was unsuccessful.

We brought our lawsuit because we thought it was outrageous that companies could sell a dangerous man an arsenal without getting any information about him, and without making any effort to see if he was a dangerous killer -- which he was. When the killer had left a voicemail with a shooting range, the range operator knew that he was bad news and shouldn't be given access to guns. But these companies set up their business so people just like this killer can arm themselves at the click of a mouse. We wanted to change that. And we still do.

Attorneys at Arnold and Porter and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence brought the lawsuit for us, pro bono. We knew the risks of bringing the case. We knew that Colorado and Congress have given special protection of the gun industry, and we knew that under Colorado law we could even be ordered to pay attorneys' fees because of those special protections.

But we thought it was important to take a stand, to fight to prevent other families from suffering as we have. We did not seek any money in our case. We just wanted injunctive relief -- to have these companies act reasonably when they sold dangerous materiel, like 100-round ammunition magazines, ammunition, body armor, and tear gas.

The judge dismissed our case because, he said, these online sellers had special immunity from the general duty to use reasonable care under the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act and a Colorado immunity law. If you couple the PLCAA law with Colorado's law HB 000-208, (which says in essence: If you bring a civil case against a gun or ammunition seller and the case is dismissed then the plaintiff must pay all the defendant's costs), you have an impenetrable barrier to using the judicial system to effect change in gun legislation in Colorado.

Everyone else in society has a duty to use reasonable care to not injure others -- except gun and ammunition sellers.

To make matters worse, the judge ordered that we pay $203,000. This is an outrageous amount, especially given that this case was decided after one single motion! Lucky Gunner has said that it is going to donate all these fees to "gun rights" groups. The thought is disgusting to us that Lucky Gunner does not even plan to use this money to pay for their attorney's fees.

Lucky Gunner wants to use blood money to fund the NRA and like-minded groups. See for yourself. Check out Lucky Gunner's self-serving description of our case then click on "Head Here" (the green words at the end of Lucky Gunner's last sentence) to find out how the money is to be distributed.

The law says we are responsible for these fees, which we recognize. We do not have the money to pay this amount. The Judge insinuated in his order that Brady should pay since he said they were the instigators. If this was a ploy designed to give the appearance that Brady was responsible and turn us against each other, it did not work.

Brady is still fighting for us pro bono and we see no evidence that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence will not help us raise funds if and when that time comes.

We believe that the judge's decision was wrong, and that it is unconstitutional to financially punish people for bringing a lawsuit, especially a public interest case that did not seek a dime. But rather than risk possibly being ordered to pay even more fees, we are changing our focus from going after these laws in the judicial branch (we have dropped our appeal) to getting them overturned on the legislative level.

We have brought attorney Dan Wartell with the law firm Jones & Keller into our team who is also helping us.

We hope that we are spearheading a movement to expose these egregious and unconstitutional laws for what they really are. They are an attack on our civil liberties. With these laws in place ordinary citizens are effectively barred by the exorbitant cost from bringing any civil action against sellers of firearms and ammunition.

It is un-American and outrageous that these special laws can deny us our day in court simply because we were victimized by the gun industry. Our lawsuit was not frivolous. Our Jessi was shot multiple times with high-velocity, armor-piercing bullets that were designed by our military to inflict maximum damage on enemy combatants.

One of the six, steel-jacketed bullets that killed her slammed through a theater seat, entered her left eye and left a five-inch hole in her face as it blew her brains out on to the theater floor. The other five specially designed bullets tumbled when they tore through her flesh and did devastating damage to both legs, arms and intestines.

Those bullets were six of 4,000 that Lucky Gunner sold to a mass murderer in one sale without even checking his driver's license.

Why is there a law that says you cannot sue an ammunitions dealer that allowed 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets into the wrong hands?

How else are we as citizens going to get them to stop doing that?

No other industry has this immunity.

The horrific and public execution of our daughter Jessi and 11 other beautiful young lives has given us a brief window of opportunity to bring awareness to the number one public health crisis facing this nation today which is rampant gun violence. It is unfathomable to me that the billion dollar gun lobby can intimidate our Congress and some state legislatures into passing laws that give the gun industry immunity against irresponsible acts that enables them to arm, and profit from, domestic terrorists, and other killers.

It is abhorrent to us as the parents of a child who has been killed by a person with outwardly obvious mental issues who was able to easily access a one hundred round magazine and 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets online without a valid ID.

Who is our last line of defense that makes that conscious decision to not ask for ID before selling large orders of lethal, military-grade armament? Online sellers, knowing they are shielded by immunity laws, refuse to put into place even minimal safeguards that would save lives. That is abhorrent to us.

One of the ways that we can level the playing field is to create precedents in our court rooms that make gun and ammunition dealers pay a price for conduct that contributes to gun violence. Another way is to lobby our state and federal legislators to repeal these laws. That is our objective.

We are calling on the citizens of this country and the gun violence prevention community to stand ready to help us get in the face of state and national legislators. Join us in helping to get the word out to the American citizens who are not aware of how these laws take away the rights of victims of gun violence.

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Lonnie and Sandy Phillips' daughter, Jessica Ghawi, was murdered in the Aurora, Colorado theater massacre in 2012. Since then, they have become advocates for common-sense gun laws in America. Their non-profit, Jessi's Message, allows them to take their trailer and travel the country telling their story and working with fellow victims and survivors of violence.






I can't even begin to imagine the hell these parents are going through, and I hope that they someday find some small measure of  peace.
  Suing the ammo seller may bring some satisfaction, or "pound of flesh", but the real enemy is mental illness, and our failure to address and treat it in the community.
  Suing a ammo vendor for crimes committed with their product, is like suing a gas station for drunk driving deaths. It may feel like progress to anti-gunners, but it does nothing to prevent further tragedies.
    Just the opinion of this old nurse.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: MzBathory]
    #22302046 - 09/28/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The following is a bit off topic but not entirely.  It relates to the article in the OP, & I don't think it's interesting enough to warrant its own thread. 

Last night I read an article about how Regal Cinemas is now searching people's bags on their way into the theater.  Searching for guns and other weapons (I suspect they're also looking for illicit kit kats, but whatever).  What do you guys think of this?  Are you going to feel safer in a regal theater?  Would you avoid the theater on principle?  I probably won't go to a regal cinema again; not that I carry guns with me, but I hate getting searched.

And what happens when some teenage broom-pusher searches a bag and does find a gun?  I feel like this policy may be only half baked.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22302052 - 09/28/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Sheekle]
    #22302607 - 09/28/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldnt feel any safer. The only things im hiding are a double cheeseburger and a mcchicken. Ive never not felt safe at a mmovie theatre. We cant let a statiscal anomaly dictate how we live our lives.

I live in a meth town and my mom tells me all the time how bad it is. I walk around all the time after dark. I just say so? Ive never once felt unsafe. So don't leave the house?  Ya fuck all that. Im not going to live in fear because of fucked up anomalys.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22306240 - 09/29/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Quote:

endogenous said:

The main purpose of a gun is to kill or injure someone.



Source?



"The vast majority of gun owners say that having a gun makes them feel safer. And far more today than in 1999 cite protection – rather than hunting or other activities – as the mai3-12-13 #1reason they own guns.

A national survey finds that nearly half of gun owners (48%) volunteer that the main reason they own a gun is for protection"
-- http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/why-own-a-gun-protection-is-now-top-reason/


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22306266 - 09/29/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I see no problem with that. Guns are the easiest method of protection. If you're weak or small, it makes it much easier to protect yourself against someone twice your size.

I find it hilarious how it's super obvious you're ignoring the other people's questions though.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22306268 - 09/29/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You're not required to have a license to buy gas, though.



Gasoline is not usually thought of or used as a weapon.






The biggest mass murder in the USA used gasoline. After this it became illegal to buy gas and put it anywhere besides a car or gas can, at least in new york.

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Achillita]
    #22306272 - 09/29/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I see no problem with that. Guns are the easiest method of protection. If you're weak or small, it makes it much easier to protect yourself against someone twice your size.

I find it hilarious how it's super obvious you're ignoring the other people's questions though.



It's because he doesn't have any clue what he's talking about and knows it. He's not going to let someone destroy his argument with facts.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Achillita]
    #22306359 - 09/29/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I see no problem with that. Guns are the easiest method of protection. If you're weak or small, it makes it much easier to protect yourself against someone twice your size.

I find it hilarious how it's super obvious you're ignoring the other people's questions though.



If someone asks me a question in a respectful, civil way, I would try to answer - although I don't have alot of time for posting.

But, if someone asks in a hostile, unfriendly way -- don't be surprised if I ignore you.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22306361 - 09/29/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And by hostile, unfriendly way, he means "anything that is against my own opinions".


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22306462 - 09/29/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
And by hostile, unfriendly way, he means "anything that is against my own opinions".



Being as you are someone who expressed the desire to kill and commit cannibalism upon me, I guess that would qualify as "anything that is against my own opinions".


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22306477 - 09/29/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

I knew I recognized you, weren't sure who you were. Now I know.. Mr. "9/11 every second". I'm pretty sure I didn't express a desire to kill and eat you. I'm not gonna go and look back through that shit but it's probably something you're taking out of context and was more of a "I would" type thing than "I want to". Given that you're so against eating animals, you probably taste like shit and would not be very fatty or tender.

That has no bearing on my question though. How are guns "mostly used to kill or injure" when billions of bullets are fired in the US every year and the rate at which people are shot or killed doesn't even begin to approach billions? Seems to me they're mostly used in other ways.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22306517 - 09/29/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
:lol:

I'm pretty sure I didn't express a desire to kill and eat you. I'm not gonna go and look back through that shit but it's probably something you're taking out of context and was more of a "I would" type thing than "I want to".



This is from the exchange:
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Quote:

Shroomslip said:
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I'd eat OP if could :lol:



You and Jeffrey Dahmer.



Nah he did it out of some weird perversion. I'd do it because my food eats your food, therefore you are my food. You wanna be a vegetarian? Guess what. Herbivores are below me in the food chain.



Oh riiiight --

Dahmer was a perverted cannibal, but you wouldn't be.

Uh huh.



You not only reiterated that you wanted to do it -- you also gave an argument to justify it.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22306527 - 09/29/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I guess it does kinda read that way. Still kinda taken out of context though. It's not as if that was my first reply in the thread. It was said in jest after several exchanges that lead me to believe you were an idiot. So I responded in kind.

Still doesn't answer my question which I posed in a civil respectful manner in this thread.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22306870 - 09/29/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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And by hostile, unfriendly way, he means "anything that is against my own opinions".




It's ok, that's how it's always worked at the shroomery. Once someone loses a debate, they either ignore the question or they stop posting in the thread.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #22306888 - 09/29/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's ok, that's how it's always worked at the shroomery. Once someone loses a debate, they either ignore the question or they stop posting in the thread.




Not always. Maroon can continue for weeks never realizing the topic is over.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 4
    #22307636 - 09/29/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
If someone asks me a question in a respectful, civil way, I would try to answer - although I don't have alot of time for posting.

But, if someone asks in a hostile, unfriendly way -- don't be surprised if I ignore you.




You come in here attacking our freedoms in the most pretentious arrogant way possible, and you want respect?

:flipthebird: Sit on it and spin.

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22308484 - 09/29/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Arctic W. Fox said:
Quote:

KrishnaDreamer said:
It's ok, that's how it's always worked at the shroomery. Once someone loses a debate, they either ignore the question or they stop posting in the thread.




Not always. Maroon can continue for weeks never realizing the topic is over.




This.

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