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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #22297591 - 09/27/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

guns have a practical purpose:facepalm:  its called hunting and self defense and tournaments


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22297630 - 09/27/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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guns have a practical purpose:facepalm:  its called hunting and self defense and tournaments



yea that comment had me :facepalm: as well

Don't forget training so should you need to defend yourself you can do so effectively, or without killing yourself as koods would put it


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: imachavel]
    #22297638 - 09/27/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The government can't protect you from mentally ill people.  The only way the government can protect you from violence perpetrated by others is to lock everyone up.  Freedom has risks.  More freedom means more risk. 

I'd gladly trade safety for more freedom any day.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: imachavel]
    #22297658 - 09/27/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Exactly. When gangs have easy access to guns, they use them




maybe gang affiliation should disqualify a person from owning a gun just like being mentally ill.




That is already the case. There's a unit called the gang suppression unit GSU that goes into the hood and harrasses known gang members.

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The difference is fertilizer is bought to fertilize the soil that plants grow in. Bullets are bought to fire fast moving projectiles. Bullets are sold as parts of a weapon. At the very least they are used for target practice. But they have no practical purpose





Gun sales are restricted to felons and the mentally ill. What are you gonna do with bullets without a gun to shoot them in?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22297774 - 09/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When the government gets to decide who gets guns and who doesn't based on what friends one chooses, we might as well throw away the Constitution because it's worthless at that point.




This dude is one cool lawyer. I'd have you in my defense any day. :thumbup:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: imachavel]
    #22297854 - 09/27/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

We knew the risks of bringing the case. We knew that Colorado and Congress have given special protection of the gun industry, and we knew that under Colorado law we could even be ordered to pay attorneys' fees because of those special protections.




Nothing more needs to be said. They knew the risks, they took the risks.

Oh and then this too:

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The horrific and public execution of our daughter Jessi and 11 other beautiful young lives has given us a brief window of opportunity to bring awareness to the number one public health crisis facing this nation today which is rampant gun violence.




Gun violence is a symptom. The real crisis is how many mentally unhinged insane people are out there who think killing a bunch of people is a good idea.




Yes. A symptom of having too many guns.

But you're totally fine with selling unhinged people 4000 bullets.




I have to admit, I'm not saying I think they are responsible for paying. However, what can one expect from a seriously grieving family? These people saw their daughter executed by a psychopath.

There is no accountability for the amount of insane people walking the streets in this country anymore. I'm not saying I feel the ammunition company should be sued for selling ammunition to a psychopath. But I'm not saying they shouldn't. Why not sue them?

Should that man have had weapons? Even better question: who should be sued? The government? Why should this person have been walking around on the streets abroad regardless of where he got the ammunition? In some way shape or form should society not be responsible for the fact that this guy should not have been free with weapons walking around the street? Who is responsible, no one?



It's simple who is responsible, it's the person who committed the crime. Honestly, why are guns the only thing people seem to blame in situations like this? They seem to forget that the person is to blame. It's a horrific thing that was committed, but it was the person behind it who committed the crime. Nothing else.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22298817 - 09/27/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey -- at least your user name was correct. :smile:

Here's some more "far left wing liberals to the max" who voted in favor of gun control:

Republicans voting FOR gun control:

    Susan Collins (R-Maine)
    Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
    John McCain (R-Ariz.)







What makes you think I'm a fuckin republican?  And so what if they voted for gun control?  Not everybody's perfect.  You gonna address what I said in my post or keep deflecting the issue with inconsequential information?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: lowbrow]
    #22298871 - 09/27/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
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endogenous said:

Hey -- at least your user name was correct. :smile:

Here's some more "far left wing liberals to the max" who voted in favor of gun control:

Republicans voting FOR gun control:

    Susan Collins (R-Maine)
    Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
    John McCain (R-Ariz.)







What makes you think I'm a fuckin republican?  And so what if they voted for gun control?  Not everybody's perfect.  You gonna address what I said in my post or keep deflecting the issue with inconsequential information?





I'm curious as to what gun control bills these 3 republicans voted on


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22299109 - 09/27/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The bill was called the Toomey-Manchin gun control amendment.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22299225 - 09/27/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Enlil said:
The government can't protect you from mentally ill people.  The only way the government can protect you from violence perpetrated by others is to lock everyone up.  Freedom has risks.  More freedom means more risk. 

I'd gladly trade safety for more freedom any day.




I never thought of it like that


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22299666 - 09/27/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You're not required to have a license to buy gas, though.



Gasoline is not usually thought of or used as a weapon.

The point I was making is that cars are not thought of as weapons, but because they can be deadly or harmful, licenses and registrations are required. Whereas, bullets, guns, and gas grenades are weapons and their use is usually to kill or cause injury - but background checks, i.d., registrations and licenses are not required.

If it makes sense to require licenses and registrations for cars - it makes much more sense to require that for guns and ammunition.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22299672 - 09/27/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think your under a false pretense, the reason cars require licenses and registrations is ????? profit.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22299709 - 09/27/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The point I was making is that cars are not thought of as weapons, but because they can be deadly or harmful, licenses and registrations are required. Whereas, bullets, guns, and gas grenades are weapons and their use is usually to kill or cause injury - but background checks, i.d., registrations and licenses are not required.

If it makes sense to require licenses and registrations for cars - it makes much more sense to require that for guns and ammunition.




No, most guns are used for target practice or hunting. I know a lot of people with guns and do not know anyone that has shot anyone or been shot. There are 300,000,000 guns in the US in 2013 there were 84k firearm related injuries and 11,208 homicides, including justifyable homicides (self defense). That means in 2013 .03% of guns are used to harm someone

Federal background checks are required to purchase guns. They are not for ammo, but without a gun ammo is harmless.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22299719 - 09/27/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Whereas, bullets, guns, and gas grenades are weapons and their use is usually to kill or cause injury - but background checks, i.d., registrations and licenses are not required.



First, you're wrong.  Background checks and ID are both required to purchase many firearms.

Second, please cite a source for you outrageous claim that weapons are "usually to kill or cause injury"  There are over 300,000,000 firearms in this nation.  I seriously doubt that even 1% of those firearms have harmed a person.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22299723 - 09/27/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Guns are not usually used to kill or cause injury. I've already pointed this out to you. America manufactures something like 10 billion bullets every year. Not all will stay in the country and not all will be used, but it's safe to say at least billions are used in America every year. How many shootings are there? Is it anywhere near "billions"? No. Therefore they're usually used in recreation.

I doubt even hunting comes close to what is used in target practice. I can go through 300 rounds easily in an hour at the range. How many bullet will the average hunter go through in an entire week or more? A dozen? 50 maybe if they're really drunk and there's a lot of game?

You can keep closing your eyes and pretending like you're not reading this and keep talking out of your ass, but you don't know what you're talking about. You're just saying whatever you can to justify "OMG guns are bad! Why do we even have them?!"


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22299855 - 09/27/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What about gun shows? There's usually hundreds of people packed in those, with only one or maybe a couple places to enter/exit.

I'll tell you why they don't get shot up: because people have fucking guns and a shooter wouldn't be able to shoot more than a couple people before getting shot.




I would just love to hear about that justice.

Still, I'll bet even at a gun show many would be taken by surprise about actually being shot at by one of the guns and wouldn't be prepared. Still, somebody there would obviously have the will to actually shoot back and it'd be interesting to see the shooter just get blasted on by a bunch of gun nuts after opening fire himself. I'll bet the gun man would originally get a surprising number of victims though none the less


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22300053 - 09/27/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You ever going to answer my question or are you gonna keep ignoring it?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: lowbrow]
    #22300075 - 09/27/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He's gonna keep ignoring it like he's going to ignore my post and then a page later say guns are only used to kill again.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22301092 - 09/28/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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First, you're wrong.  Background checks and ID are both required to purchase many firearms.



I'll have to get back on the issue of the gun laws themselves when there's more time. There are quite a few states that don't require i.d., licenses, registration, or background checks.

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Second, please cite a source for you outrageous claim that weapons are "usually to kill or cause injury"  There are over 300,000,000 firearms in this nation.  I seriously doubt that even 1% of those firearms have harmed a person.




I'm obviously talking about intent.

They may not ever feel that they need to use it, and they may not ever actually use it - but the reason they own it is so if they feel they're in danger, they're going to kill or injure someone in order to protect themselves.

The main purpose of a gun is to kill or injure someone. Whether that happens or not is a different question.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22301100 - 09/28/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ahem!:notamused:


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