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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22293155 - 09/26/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: These idiots don't know what unconstitutional means. I will say that it is rare to be awarded attorney's fees. The judge must have thought that the case was egregiously stupid.
I like to think of it as a retard tax, stupid people should always have to pay more if for no other reason than idiocy should be painful in every way
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: r.lutece] 1
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Prisoner#1 said: the theater made the victims easy targets, ever wonder why the mass shooting take place in areas where guns are banned?
Let's not confuse correlation with causation. Theaters, malls, schools, etc. aren't chosen because the victims aren't likely to be able to defend themselves (though that's almost always the case). Rather, they're chosen because large numbers of people have gathered and the assault can have the most impact, which is why these institutions ban weapons.
if that were the case then why hasnt there been a mass shooting at a major sporting event? oh, that would be because there are hundreds of people there with guns making it more difficult to bring a weapon in and much more difficult to get more than a few shots off before an armed security officer puts a few in the shooter, I mean wouldnt the superbowl or an amusement park be a great place to have a mass shooting, I mean how easy would it be to shoot people in a line waiting to get on a ride, 500 people all packed into the corral, it's not like they'll be getting out very fast, you could probably kill a hundred before the survivors managed to get out of the area... but wait, I think something similar has recently happened
2 fairs, both declaired a gun free zone, both become easy pickings for thugs to commit crimes with the guns they've brought to the locations in violation of the rules... so, do you honestly believe that when everyone else is disarmed that this doesnt play a major role in choosing the target location? you'd be a fool to continue to believe something like that
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/30/3-robbed-at-gunpoint-after-nc-state-fair-declares-/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2448460/washington-state-fair-three-armed-robberies-on-same-night-in-gun-free-zone/
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enjoywho]
#22293229 - 09/26/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Shit I couldn't even sneak in a soda one time. How do you hide a fully automatic gun. 
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On the subject I get where the family is coming from. That fee is exorbitant. But its a business its not like he bought the gun off them. Fuckin shitty stuff. Reading that there daughter got hit by 6 bullets is just appalling. I don't believe in hell but I hope there is one for people like this.
the parents understood that there was a chance they wouldnt win and in most cases in a lawsuit people ask for attorney's fees to be covered, if you sue me over something stupid then why should I be out of pocket over your butthurt
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22293243 - 09/26/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's not forget "assault rifles" were banned between 1994 and 2004.
This is a common mistake. Assault rifles weren't banned. Assault weapons were banned. This latter term was made up and referred to any weapon that looked too militaristic for Congress' taste.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod] 2
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zappaisgod said: They are the ones who brought the suit.. Nobody forced them to. They lost money to their own idiocy. The legal system exists to settle disputes. If an idiot brings a stupid suit that costs a defendant money to counter than the idiot is responsible for harming the defendant. Not the legal system.
This is true, but I think the lawyer should be the one forced to pay. The client has limited knowledge in the area, and the lawyer knew or should have known that this was the likely outcome.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Prisoner#1 said: the theater made the victims easy targets, ever wonder why the mass shooting take place in areas where guns are banned?
Let's not confuse correlation with causation. Theaters, malls, schools, etc. aren't chosen because the victims aren't likely to be able to defend themselves (though that's almost always the case). Rather, they're chosen because large numbers of people have gathered and the assault can have the most impact, which is why these institutions ban weapons.
if that were the case then why hasnt there been a mass shooting at a major sporting event? oh, that would be because there are hundreds of people there with guns making it more difficult to bring a weapon in and much more difficult to get more than a few shots off before an armed security officer puts a few in the shooter, I mean wouldnt the superbowl or an amusement park be a great place to have a mass shooting, I mean how easy would it be to shoot people in a line waiting to get on a ride, 500 people all packed into the corral, it's not like they'll be getting out very fast, you could probably kill a hundred before the survivors managed to get out of the area... but wait, I think something similar has recently happened
2 fairs, both declaired a gun free zone, both become easy pickings for thugs to commit crimes with the guns they've brought to the locations in violation of the rules... so, do you honestly believe that when everyone else is disarmed that this doesnt play a major role in choosing the target location? you'd be a fool to continue to believe something like that
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/30/3-robbed-at-gunpoint-after-nc-state-fair-declares-/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2448460/washington-state-fair-three-armed-robberies-on-same-night-in-gun-free-zone/
Don't think that I'm saying that advertising the lack of personal defense in a location won't invite crime, especially such as robberies. It certainly does, and those fairs are a good example of that. However, robberies and massacres are very different crimes, and the perpetrators of each look for different elements of a situation when choosing their venue.
As far as why there haven't been mass shootings at amusement parks, that I couldn't tell you. I haven't been to any where firearms of any kind were allowed, but it could have to do with the fact that many of them don't have large tight clusters of people IME. Even when waiting in lines, most of the individuals are pretty spread out. As far as sporting events go, it's a hard time sneaking in a bottle of water, let alone an assault weapon.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22293280 - 09/26/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Exactly. When gangs have easy access to guns, they use them
Felons do not have easy access to guns. It is against the law for a felon to possess a gun. How's that law working out?
Shit in Alaska people were constantly selling guns. Lot of filed down shot floating around. I bought a 12 gauge for 100. Friends and I had a lot of fun taking it out camping setting up targets, getting drunk and blasting at em.
My favorite were .22s I had a pretty nice one and it held a fuck ton of bullets. We'd set shit up and hit them from 40 yards. Guns are fun as fuck.
But we were responsible about it we understood ya I'm not trying to shoot a homie. They're are fucked up people in this world but out of what 7 billion people. America has 360 million. Those pieces of shit are in the minority.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enjoywho]
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I anytime someone talks about shooting a gun while fucked up. You're a disaster waiting to happen. Don't care how experience or capable you think you are, being drunk impairs your judgement and critical thinking. Drunk people point guns where they shouldn't, shoot things they should, assume they're unloaded, have accidental discharges and just generally do stupid shit with them.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
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We were never that drunk. But having a couple beers its not like were black out drunk. Good lord. Just having a good time. Then when we got the fire rolling and night was dawning put it in the car now we can get wrecked. Me nor any of my friends are dead so ya. I'm sure you have no fuckin clue what your talking about.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22293336 - 09/26/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good, sounds like a majorly frivolous suit. Shame on the lawyers for provoking them too.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: r.lutece]
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Prisoner#1 said: the theater made the victims easy targets, ever wonder why the mass shooting take place in areas where guns are banned?
Let's not confuse correlation with causation. Theaters, malls, schools, etc. aren't chosen because the victims aren't likely to be able to defend themselves (though that's almost always the case). Rather, they're chosen because large numbers of people have gathered and the assault can have the most impact, which is why these institutions ban weapons.
if that were the case then why hasnt there been a mass shooting at a major sporting event? oh, that would be because there are hundreds of people there with guns making it more difficult to bring a weapon in and much more difficult to get more than a few shots off before an armed security officer puts a few in the shooter, I mean wouldnt the superbowl or an amusement park be a great place to have a mass shooting, I mean how easy would it be to shoot people in a line waiting to get on a ride, 500 people all packed into the corral, it's not like they'll be getting out very fast, you could probably kill a hundred before the survivors managed to get out of the area... but wait, I think something similar has recently happened
2 fairs, both declaired a gun free zone, both become easy pickings for thugs to commit crimes with the guns they've brought to the locations in violation of the rules... so, do you honestly believe that when everyone else is disarmed that this doesnt play a major role in choosing the target location? you'd be a fool to continue to believe something like that
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/30/3-robbed-at-gunpoint-after-nc-state-fair-declares-/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2448460/washington-state-fair-three-armed-robberies-on-same-night-in-gun-free-zone/
Don't think that I'm saying that advertising the lack of personal defense in a location won't invite crime, especially such as robberies. It certainly does, and those fairs are a good example of that. However, robberies and massacres are very different crimes, and the perpetrators of each look for different elements of a situation when choosing their venue.
As far as why there haven't been mass shootings at amusement parks, that I couldn't tell you. I haven't been to any where firearms of any kind were allowed, but it could have to do with the fact that many of them don't have large tight clusters of people IME. Even when waiting in lines, most of the individuals are pretty spread out. As far as sporting events go, it's a hard time sneaking in a bottle of water, let alone an assault weapon.
you realize that in most states firearms are allowed pretty much everywhere (with exceptions of places serving alcohol, government buildings, and a few others) unless there is a sign prohibiting it?
If you live in a concealed carry state you see people carrying guns every day and don't know it.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: We were never that drunk. But having a couple beers its not like were black out drunk. Good lord. Just having a good time. Then when we got the fire rolling and night was dawning put it in the car now we can get wrecked. Me nor any of my friends are dead so ya. I'm sure you have no fuckin clue what your talking about.
Yeah totally have no idea what I'm talking about. It's not as if people have accidents all the time even sober.
Damn, I just realized, I really am wrong. Being drunk or high makes everyone a better driver. Obviously being drunk would make you a better and more responsible shooter.
My bad, I forgot.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil] 2
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zappaisgod said: They are the ones who brought the suit.. Nobody forced them to. They lost money to their own idiocy. The legal system exists to settle disputes. If an idiot brings a stupid suit that costs a defendant money to counter than the idiot is responsible for harming the defendant. Not the legal system.
This is true, but I think the lawyer should be the one forced to pay. The client has limited knowledge in the area, and the lawyer knew or should have known that this was the likely outcome.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers] 5
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Sue the ammo dealer?
- Sue the shell casing manufacturer.
- Sue the gunpowder maker.
- Sue the bullet mold maker.
- Sue the lead miner.
- Sue the rubber company, who made the tires, that go on the dump trucks, that are used in the open-pit mines, to haul out the copper, that are used for the shells.
- Sue the land owner, who leased the land to the mining company.
- Sue the parents of the land owner who gave birth to the man who leased the land to the open pit mining company.
There's a lot more that can be done here. Where are all the lawyers?! Sue, sue, SUE!!!
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: r.lutece]
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r.lutece said: Don't think that I'm saying that advertising the lack of personal defense in a location won't invite crime, especially such as robberies. It certainly does, and those fairs are a good example of that. However, robberies and massacres are very different crimes, and the perpetrators of each look for different elements of a situation when choosing their venue.
so then we should have seen plenty of mass shootings at gun ranges, gun stores and police departments right? it seems like shootings in these locations are pretty uncommon. in fact, before the huge "OMG, HE HAS A GUN" scare that liberals had started, back in the 80s, a local mall was the location of a shooting, it seems that a couple were killed, a few more injured and the gunman was shot by a mall patron that just happened to be armed
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As far as why there haven't been mass shootings at amusement parks, that I couldn't tell you. I haven't been to any where firearms of any kind were allowed, but it could have to do with the fact that many of them don't have large tight clusters of people IME. Even when waiting in lines, most of the individuals are pretty spread out. As far as sporting events go, it's a hard time sneaking in a bottle of water, let alone an assault weapon.
have you ever been to an amusement park? it would seem that your experiences dont jibe with the rest, these are a few pictures of lines where people are waiting to get on a ride, hundreds of people packed in together paying attention to everything from their phone to their bratty kids. they pack them in tighter at amusement parks than they do at theaters and schools and they're surrounded by fences which would make escape even more difficult




now why dont these things happen at places like amusement parks? well, to walk in you have to of course go through the gate, in order to do so you go through a metal detector, you have an armed security officer that searches your bag and on occasion pats you down

it seems that the same thing goes on at concerts and sporting events while theaters, county/state fairs, most schools and shit dont have the added security precautions they simply post a sign that says no guns/weapons and expect the bad people to adhere to it
hell, airports are another location where shooting would be easy, I know in some you walk in and you're right at the baggage area, there's no metal detectors, no searches of bags, no patdowns because there arent 'secure' areas, you dont get subjected to this stuff until you go through the TSA checkpoints but you still get crowds like these. I guess the reason it doesnt happen in these locations couldnt possibly be because there are hundreds of armed security personnel in the building at any given time
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: They are the ones who brought the suit.. Nobody forced them to. They lost money to their own idiocy. The legal system exists to settle disputes. If an idiot brings a stupid suit that costs a defendant money to counter than the idiot is responsible for harming the defendant. Not the legal system.
This is true, but I think the lawyer should be the one forced to pay. The client has limited knowledge in the area, and the lawyer knew or should have known that this was the likely outcome.
I agree.
This was my thought on it as well.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Arctic W. Fox] 1
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Arctic W. Fox said: Sue the ammo dealer?
- Sue the shell casing manufacturer.
- Sue the gunpowder maker.
- Sue the bullet mold maker.
- Sue the lead miner.
- Sue the rubber company, who made the tires, that go on the dump trucks, that are used in the open-pit mines, to haul out the copper, that are used for the shells.
- Sue the land owner, who leased the land to the mining company.
- Sue the parents of the land owner who gave birth to the man who leased the land to the open pit mining company.
There's a lot more that can be done here. Where are all the lawyers?! Sue, sue, SUE!!!
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'll admit, I haven't been to many amusement parks; Cedar Point, Worlds of Fun, and Six Flags were it for me. My experience must have been very uncommon because during none of my visits did they crowds approach anything to that degree, even during the summer. Also, none of the parks I went to had metal detectors anywhere that I can recall. You walked up, handed them your ticket or showed them your stamp, and in you went.
I'm not sure you understand what I mean about how shooters appear to pick their targets. My point is not that guns don't deter them or that hearing about places that have carrying restrictions won't make them think twice. I'm just pointing out that they pick places where people will be grouped together, and that other considerations would follow that main intent of hurting as many people as possible. Gun ranges and stores and police departments not only have a relatively smaller grouping of potential victims, but obviously all of those victims can and will shoot you.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: r.lutece]
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What about gun shows? There's usually hundreds of people packed in those, with only one or maybe a couple places to enter/exit.
I'll tell you why they don't get shot up: because people have fucking guns and a shooter wouldn't be able to shoot more than a couple people before getting shot.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
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Right. A solid majority of them could shoot you.
Did I at some point accidentally say that the presence of guns wasn't a deterrent? I'm really not trying to imply that. My point is that regardless of concealed carry laws, shootings will happen because the guns aren't the base issue, and that shooters choose places with large groups.
Like, what is it you want me to say? That concealed carry should be allowed everywhere? I don't even have an opinion formed on that. I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
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