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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22401581 - 10/19/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if your life was in danger and you shot to save your life... And any family member who sued over that is pretty scum in my book, the person to blame is the attacker.




Really? the family are scum? You think choosing to carry a gun loaded with a high powered rounds rather than .22 or whatever sort that would be less likely to exit an assailant and kill innocent bystanders, in a crowded area, you would choose the high powered variety and say "fuck any innocents that might get in the way and fuck their families"?  Who's the scum?





can you do us a favor, try thinking up some even crazier scenarios because using
a .44 magnum isnt going to allow you to kill 38 people with a single shot, if the
bullet exits the first person and enters a second, it will not have the momentum
to reach vital organs


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: myc_check1212]
    #22401625 - 10/19/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22401636 - 10/19/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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KrishnaDreamer said:
Well, if we didn't have access to AP rounds, then bad guys could just wear body armor and they'd be damn near invincible.




Do these bad guys usually go around clad in body armour? do they also wear face armour?
I would have thought
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if your life was in danger and you shot to save your life... And any family member who sued over that is pretty scum in my book, the person to blame is the attacker.




Really? the family are scum? You think choosing to carry a gun loaded with a high powered rounds rather than .22 or whatever sort that would be less likely to exit an assailant and kill innocent bystanders, in a crowded area, you would choose the high powered variety and say "fuck any innocents that might get in the way and fuck their families"?  Who's the scum?





can you do us a favor, try thinking up some even crazier scenarios because using
a .44 magnum isnt going to allow you to kill 38 people with a single shot, if the
bullet exits the first person and enters a second, it will not have the momentum
to reach vital organs




OK. So you shoot at and miss your assailent who then runs off...your bullet however still "has the puff" to reach and kill an innocent bystander 20 yards up the road, a bystander  who's death would have been less likely had you not have loaded your gun with such an all American heroic macho round. Are you not culpable?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22401967 - 10/19/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what exactly are the odds of that happening?

maybe 1 in 100 million?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402001 - 10/19/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

let me explain how it all works

you and a friend break into a house, you're outside as the lookout, your friend is
inside and he gets shot, he doesnt die until he makes it outside, he dies in your
arms, you get charged with his death. you didnt pull the trigger, you didnt kill
him but you get charged

you walk into a store, you brandish a knife and demand the money in the register,
the cashier pulls a gun and fires a couple of shots, some old man getting his
coffee has a heart attack, you shit your pants and run, the cops catch you 20
minutes later and you're ID'd by the cashier, you get charged with the death of
the old man even though he merely had a heart attack


so tell me, how exactly do you think this highly improbable scenario of yours
will play out when in each case if the criminal wasnt present the death wouldnt
have occurred leaving the culpability on the criminal

here's a little fact for you, the FBI has shown that cops are 11 times more
likely to shoot an innocent bystander than an armed civilian, you really want the
cops running around with guns knowing they're trained to be terrible shooters?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22402041 - 10/19/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what exactly are the odds of that happening?

maybe 1 in 100 million?




And the odds of you missing your target and killing an innocent bystander with a lower caliber bullet in such a scenario is what, 1000 in a million? I can also pull bullshit out of the arse stats.
Still want access to your high velocity bullets though don't ya. Ya little gun geek.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402068 - 10/19/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

People are held accountable for their conduct.  Why ban ammunition?  People should have the freedom to choose and be held accountable for their choices.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402082 - 10/19/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what exactly are the odds of that happening?

maybe 1 in 100 million?




And the odds of you missing your target and killing an innocent bystander with a lower caliber bullet in such a scenario is what, 1000 in a million? I can also pull bullshit out of the arse stats.
Still want access to your high velocity bullets though don't ya. Ya little gun geek.





so, in the typical shooting distance of 20 feet or under, I'm supposed to be more
likely to miss a man sized target with a smaller, easier to handle firearm


hahaha... and this folks is why the anti-gun lobby looks like a bunch of retards


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22402324 - 10/19/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
here's a little fact for you, the FBI has shown that cops are 11 times more
likely to shoot an innocent bystander than an armed civilian, you really want the
cops running around with guns knowing they're trained to be terrible shooters?





Yada etc.

>"trained to be terrible shooters" Maybe its because they (the cops) tend to run towards trouble rather than away from it, that, their reactions are more likely to result in an innocents death, because they have to make split second decisions on who is, and is not, the bad guy.

That has nothing to do as to whether or not you as a citizen should have access to such 'high caliber' weapons.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402456 - 10/19/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why are people from other countries so quick to want Americans to have less freedom?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22402544 - 10/19/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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what exactly are the odds of that happening?

maybe 1 in 100 million?




And the odds of you missing your target and killing an innocent bystander with a lower caliber bullet in such a scenario is what, 1000 in a million? I can also pull bullshit out of the arse stats.
Still want access to your high velocity bullets though don't ya. Ya little gun geek.





so, in the typical shooting distance of 20 feet or under, I'm supposed to be more
likely to miss a man sized target with a smaller, easier to handle firearm


hahaha... and this folks is why the anti-gun lobby looks like a bunch of retards




No. You miss the point my little NRA shill. Which is...
If you miss the target with a high caliber weapon you are more likely to kill an innocent bystander than if you used a less powerful gun/bullet.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402590 - 10/19/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But if you use a less powerful bullet, you're less likely to kill the criminal you're shooting at :cookiemonster:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22402863 - 10/19/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Why are people from other countries so quick to want Americans to have less freedom?




Oh right. Less freedom to carry a large caliber weapon, that, while protecting yourself, poses a bigger threat to other (innocents) sharing the same space.
What is the need for these higher caliber weapons?

I would be pretty pissed off if my neighbour shot at an intruder and the bullet ended up in me because it had gone through the gordamn wall.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Achillita]
    #22402905 - 10/19/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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But if you use a less powerful bullet, you're less likely to kill the criminal you're shooting at :cookiemonster:




Yet, I'm told, merely showing the crim that you are armed should send him running for the hills. Shooting at him while he 'legs it' surely increases the danger to bystanders. No?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22402911 - 10/19/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well it all depends on situation, proximity, and whether or not they are armed. :shrug:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22404854 - 10/19/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
if your life was in danger and you shot to save your life... And any family member who sued over that is pretty scum in my book, the person to blame is the attacker.




Really? the family are scum? You think choosing to carry a gun loaded with a high powered rounds rather than .22 or whatever sort that would be less likely to exit an assailant and kill innocent bystanders, in a crowded area, you would choose the high powered variety and say "fuck any innocents that might get in the way and fuck their families"?  Who's the scum?




A .22 would be way more likely to hit a bystander.

I'm guessing you don't know much about guns?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #22404864 - 10/19/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

high velocity =/= more penetration

high caliber =/= more penetration


a standard 9mm fmj is less than twice the diameter and a little over twice the weight of a 5.56mm with 4 times the energy and almost 3 times the velocity yet it will penetrate through much more ballistics gel than the 5.56


Funny how everyone with a strong opinion wanting gun control doesn't know a fucking thing about them.


Edited by luvdemboomers (10/19/15 07:55 PM)


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22408742 - 10/20/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I would be pretty pissed off if my neighbour shot at an intruder and the bullet ended up in me because it had gone through the gordamn wall.




Nobody is going take anything you say seriously unless you learn to spell neighbor right.  Also, what's a gordamn wall?  Is it some kind of leading industrial construction?


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