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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip] 3
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luvdemboomers said: Haha! Endogenous ignored me.
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Shroomslip said: Me too.
I'll quote you guys frequently so erroneous can still see you contribute.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: myc_check1212] 1
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I guess all that logic is just too much for him to handle.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: myc_check1212] 2
#22400092 - 10/18/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You gotta edit the names out for it to work I'm pretty sure. Anyways I'm done with this thread or discussing any of it with him. I was getting close to having a nuclear meltdown on him because he's fucking infuriating. You have to be one seriously ignorant individual to get under my skin like that. So bravo to him.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
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I'm guessing he's done with the thread.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22400115 - 10/18/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: I guess all that logic is just too much for him to handle.
Erroneous has the same debate style as maroon, copy pasta drivel, while lacking all touch with reality. Also both poses an absolute abysmal understanding of physics.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22400167 - 10/18/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: that's why they were wanting to change the definition, because it's not armor piercing as it's defined or in actual use, it will go through soft body armor but a number of hand gun rounds will as well, if they changed the definition of armor piercing then it would make it easier to ban a class of bullets such as those from hunting rifles or "anything that can penetrate kevlar"
However, the Forbes article is saying that all the hunting rifle bullets are already considered "armor piercing" but they are exempt from the ban because the DOJ has considered them to be primarily used for "sporting" purposes. The DOJ makes that decision and can change it.
so forbes said what I said only they failed to include the "according to the media's views"
there is no ban on the possession of armor piercing rounds
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
#22400690 - 10/18/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22400931 - 10/19/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I really wouldn't trust Forbes as an authority on the law.
Speaking of the law: If one of our all American red blooded heroes here, with a permit to carry a gun, chose to carry the biggest baddest mofo of a gun, loaded with with the highest velocity armour piercing bullets available, were to shoot and kill an attacker in the street, this as I understand it, would be perfectly legal in some/all states.
What if that bullet goes straight through the assailant and on to kill 1-2-3... other innocent by-standers in the street. Does the law hold him in anyway responsible? could the familly of the dead innocents have a claim of negligent use of such a 'weapons system' in a public space?
One for the gun geeks: Suppose our aforesaid gun weilding heroes assailant is 3' away, there is a group of people in the line of trajectory every 10' say, how many people could you expect to kill/maim with that one bullet before it fell at someone feet, out of puff, so to speak?
I just wonder. Why the need for these high velocity armour piercing rounds just for home/personnel security use. Aren't they quite literally, overkill? If you shot some home invader and end up killing someone minding their own business in the house accross the street, would you not feel in the slightest degree like a huge arsehole? Or do you just think, "oh well I have a right to kill someone who is a danger to me and if anyone else gets in the way of my stray bullet, tough shit". :shrug
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
#22400946 - 10/19/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: this as I understand it, would be perfectly legal in some/all states.
Some, not most.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
#22401006 - 10/19/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, if we didn't have access to AP rounds, then bad guys could just wear body armor and they'd be damn near invincible.
Obviously if you were defending yourself, and accidentally hurt someone else, you'd still be charged with a lesser crime. Or maybe not, depending on the judge/jury and the injured parties.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#22401020 - 10/19/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if your life was in danger and you shot to save your life, i doubt anyone would convict you for your bullet accidently hitting someone. obviously its a case by case type thing tho, but in general thats what i think would happen. And any family member who sued over that is pretty scum in my book, the person to blame is the attacker.
thing is tho in most cases pulling your gun is enough to stop an assault, or a warning shot assuming that doesn't hit an innocient
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22401024 - 10/19/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true, but sometimes people do get charged for accidents involving deaths. And yeah, I'm sure it's a case by case kinda thing.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22401046 - 10/19/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: if your life was in danger and you shot to save your life... And any family member who sued over that is pretty scum in my book, the person to blame is the attacker.
Really? the family are scum? You think choosing to carry a gun loaded with a high powered rounds rather than .22 or whatever sort that would be less likely to exit an assailant and kill innocent bystanders, in a crowded area, you would choose the high powered variety and say "fuck any innocents that might get in the way and fuck their families"? Who's the scum?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
#22401049 - 10/19/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the family, its cause and effect, no bullet gets shot if nobody attacks. Also of note incase you didn't know hunting bullets can pass through too
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22401165 - 10/19/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so forbes said what I said only they failed to include the "according to the media's views"
there is no ban on the possession of armor piercing rounds
U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 922 (a) It shall be unlawful— (8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery— (A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State; (B) is for the purpose of exportation; or (C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General; [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
#22401176 - 10/19/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: Speaking of the law: If one of our all American red blooded heroes here, with a permit to carry a gun, chose to carry the biggest baddest mofo of a gun, loaded with with the highest velocity armour piercing bullets available, were to shoot and kill an attacker in the street, this as I understand it, would be perfectly legal in some/all states.
What if that bullet goes straight through the assailant and on to kill 1-2-3... other innocent by-standers in the street. Does the law hold him in anyway responsible? could the familly of the dead innocents have a claim of negligent use of such a 'weapons system' in a public space?
One for the gun geeks: Suppose our aforesaid gun weilding heroes assailant is 3' away, there is a group of people in the line of trajectory every 10' say, how many people could you expect to kill/maim with that one bullet before it fell at someone feet, out of puff, so to speak?
I just wonder. Why the need for these high velocity armour piercing rounds just for home/personnel security use. Aren't they quite literally, overkill? If you shot some home invader and end up killing someone minding their own business in the house accross the street, would you not feel in the slightest degree like a huge arsehole? Or do you just think, "oh well I have a right to kill someone who is a danger to me and if anyone else gets in the way of my stray bullet, tough shit". :shrug
depends on the barrel length, bullet type, and caliber
The big bad m855 that keeps getting talked about would most likely not do any serious harm to anyone past the first person. You may get an exit wound but the bullet would have slowed down considerably and would have most likely fragmented into smaller pieces. A 9mm fmj would most likely do more damage to the 2nd person than a 223 round m855 included.
That's an interesting question though, I wonder how many people say a barret 50 cal would go through lol.
I'm not sure you'd be criminally charged if the bullet went through someone and into another though im sure its possible. I'd imagine you'd probably open yourself up to a bunch of civil suits for sure.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
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makaveli8x8 said: thing is tho in most cases pulling your gun is enough to stop an assault, or a warning shot assuming that doesn't hit an innocient
So if in "most cases pulling your gun is enough to stop an assault" you wouldn't even need to load the gun let alone load it with a round capable of going through several people.
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deucedbi9 said: Speaking of the law: If one of our all American red blooded heroes here, with a permit to carry a gun, chose to carry the biggest baddest mofo of a gun, loaded with with the highest velocity armour piercing bullets available, were to shoot and kill an attacker in the street, this as I understand it, would be perfectly legal in some/all states.
What if that bullet goes straight through the assailant and on to kill 1-2-3... other innocent by-standers in the street. Does the law hold him in anyway responsible? could the familly of the dead innocents have a claim of negligent use of such a 'weapons system' in a public space?
One for the gun geeks: Suppose our aforesaid gun weilding heroes assailant is 3' away, there is a group of people in the line of trajectory every 10' say, how many people could you expect to kill/maim with that one bullet before it fell at someone feet, out of puff, so to speak?
I just wonder. Why the need for these high velocity armour piercing rounds just for home/personnel security use. Aren't they quite literally, overkill? If you shot some home invader and end up killing someone minding their own business in the house accross the street, would you not feel in the slightest degree like a huge arsehole? Or do you just think, "oh well I have a right to kill someone who is a danger to me and if anyone else gets in the way of my stray bullet, tough shit". :shrug
depends on the barrel length, bullet type, and caliber
The big bad m855 that keeps getting talked about would most likely not do any serious harm to anyone past the first person. You may get an exit wound but the bullet would have slowed down considerably and would have most likely fragmented into smaller pieces. A 9mm fmj would most likely do more damage to the 2nd person than a 223 round m855 included.
That's an interesting question though, I wonder how many people say a barret 50 cal would go through lol.
I'm not sure you'd be criminally charged if the bullet went through someone and into another though im sure its possible. I'd imagine you'd probably open yourself up to a bunch of civil suits for sure.
Thanks for the considered oppinion, as an Englishman I have absolutely no knowledge of firearms, and/or the ammunition that they can fire. As an outsider I just find the mentality of a gun carrying society interesting.
I am though, thankful, that the sort of murderous little shitheads we have over here are more likely to be using a knife than a gun. I'd reckon my chances of survival against a knife wielding attacker as being better than against one armed with a loaded gun.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
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What if that bullet goes straight through the assailant and on to kill 1-2-3... other innocent by-standers in the street. Does the law hold him in anyway responsible? could the familly of the dead innocents have a claim of negligent use of such a 'weapons system' in a public space?
He could very well be responsible, criminally and/or civilly, depending on the facts.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
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KrishnaDreamer said: Well, if we didn't have access to AP rounds, then bad guys could just wear body armor and they'd be damn near invincible.
but they made it illegal for criminals to wear body armor so we know that's never gonna happen
in reality, people dont use armor piercing bullets in pistols because there are very few available and they're fucking crazy expensive
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Obviously if you were defending yourself, and accidentally hurt someone else, you'd still be charged with a lesser crime. Or maybe not, depending on the judge/jury and the injured parties.
well, a person could and would likely be charged with manslaughter if they killed an innocent person while defending themselves and they'll probably also see a wrongful death suit
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
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Prisoner#1 said: so forbes said what I said only they failed to include the "according to the media's views"
there is no ban on the possession of armor piercing rounds
U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 922 (a) It shall be unlawful— (8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery— (A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State; (B) is for the purpose of exportation; or (C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General; [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922
ok, now show me where there's a ban on the possession of armor piercing ammo
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