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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22385899 - 10/15/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i don't recall any cats dieing in the article :catfrog:

a hunting bullet will hit someone and send shrapnel flying hitting in all directions hitting chairs, walls, popcorn buckets, and the pet turtles that the kids snuck in


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22386512 - 10/15/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
You will probably ignore this because it hurts the claims you pulled out of your ass but I'm gonna post it anyways. It's a real world test of the so called armor piercing ammo compared to the standard xm193 ammo. Both had very similar results as far as penetration.



ARFCOM said "Both rounds are effective when used what they were designed for.
M193 Unarmored targets up to 460 meters using a battlesight zero of 250 meters
M855 Targets wearing body armor up to 600 meters. Point target 550 meters and 800 for area targets  http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=54802


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386523 - 10/15/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Words cannot express my rage at this point.

Who in that theater was 600 meters away wearing body armor that was killed?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386529 - 10/16/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The very next line says

"The accounts of M855 being less effective on unarmored troops is remedied by shot placement and being prepared to use multiple rounds to do the job."

Again, if the rounds are AP, hey are less effective at killing people.

Also, you cited an internet forum post that was not cited, essentially hearsay. I get the feeling you're searching for facts that support your argument rather than basing your argument on the facts.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386542 - 10/16/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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endogenous said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
You will probably ignore this because it hurts the claims you pulled out of your ass but I'm gonna post it anyways. It's a real world test of the so called armor piercing ammo compared to the standard xm193 ammo. Both had very similar results as far as penetration.



ARFCOM said "Both rounds are effective when used what they were designed for.
M193 Unarmored targets up to 460 meters using a battlesight zero of 250 meters
M855 Targets wearing body armor up to 600 meters. Point target 550 meters and 800 for area targets  http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=54802





any rifle wound will penetrate soft armor, it's kevlar, nothing special here


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22386560 - 10/16/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You made the claim that it wasn't armor piercing




When was that? Got a quote where he made that claim?



Of course I didn't make that claim.  I asked him for a source.  I said I've seen no evidence that he had armor piercing rounds.  That's about it.



You said "Seriously, are you incapable of admitting you're wrong even though every single piece of evidence points to it?".


How elementary do we have to get here? If you're saying it's wrong that the bullets were armor piercing, then you're saying they weren't armor piercing.

Duh.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22386567 - 10/16/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
You will probably ignore this because it hurts the claims you pulled out of your ass but I'm gonna post it anyways. It's a real world test of the so called armor piercing ammo compared to the standard xm193 ammo. Both had very similar results as far as penetration.



ARFCOM said "Both rounds are effective when used what they were designed for.
M193 Unarmored targets up to 460 meters using a battlesight zero of 250 meters
M855 Targets wearing body armor up to 600 meters. Point target 550 meters and 800 for area targets  http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=54802





any rifle wound will penetrate soft armor, it's kevlar, nothing special here



So what "body armor" are they talking about?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Atreyu]
    #22386578 - 10/16/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't know if this has already been posted - but yeh :rolleyes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/gun-shop-held-liable-for-purchase-linked-to-shooting-of-police.html?_r=0


MILWAUKEE — A jury late Tuesday awarded more than $5 million in damages to two police officers who were severely wounded with a pistol that a local gun shop sold to a straw buyer in 2009.

Deliberating only nine hours after a two-week trial in Milwaukee County Circuit Court, the jury of eight women and four men decided the unusual lawsuit here in favor of the plaintiffs. Gun-control advocates hoped the verdict would encourage more victims and lawyers to sue what they say is a small minority of gun stores that make questionable sales.


The jury found that the store had been seriously negligent in selling the gun when there were signs that the ostensible purchaser was fronting for an 18-year-old who accompanied him to the store.

One month after the purchase, the 18-year-old, Julius Burton, after being stopped by police for riding his bike on the sidewalk, shot Officer Bryan Norberg in the face and Officer Graham Kunisch in the head and body, leaving him with brain damage and a destroyed eye.

Officer Norberg was emotional and felt vindicated by the verdict, said the chief lawyer for the officers, Patrick O. Dunphy. Mr. Kunisch, who has retired, was pleased but barely showed it, Mr. Dunphy said, a result of his brain injury.




Hope the trend continues.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386581 - 10/16/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I honestly can't believe this. This has never happened. You are getting close to making me melt so bad I'm going to get banned. I have about a single ounce of restraint left before I just blow up on you. You are a fucking idiot.

Google. mother. fucking. burden. of. proof. it. is. your. responsibility. to. prove. your. claim. not. the. opposition's. side. to. disprove. your. claim. you. said. he. used. armor. piercing. bullets. therefore. it. is. on. you. to. prove. he. in. fact. did.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386598 - 10/16/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no armor piercing rounds were fired that day. green tip is not a dedicated armor piercing round..

i reload 90 percent of my own ammo.

dont try to say otherwise.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: rackem]
    #22386605 - 10/16/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

im surprised people are all up in arms about 'armor piercing rounds'

people should be more concerned about frangible projos than the psuedo so called cant put a word on it green tip bullets.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386626 - 10/16/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The only armor that rounds designed to be hand fired penetrate is body armor.

Tactically, the military doesn't really have riflemen attack tanks and such.

Rackem, I carry glaser silver in my .40 cal daily... what would make people freak out about that? They don't sound that scary at all compared to "Teflon-coated cop killers" or "armor piercing fully automatic rounds." :lol:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Srirachi]
    #22386711 - 10/16/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So many fuckin gun geeks.

How do you tell a gun geek from a food nerd (vegan)?
No need, they'll tell you within minutes of meeting them.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22386800 - 10/16/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i wonder if this is part of obama's plan to ban all guns, they pass a law banning armor piercing rounds and people assume it only means green tips n shit, then couple years later they start saying all rifle rounds are armor piercing and then start using the previous law to stop the sales on all rifle rounds


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22386970 - 10/16/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
You will probably ignore this because it hurts the claims you pulled out of your ass but I'm gonna post it anyways. It's a real world test of the so called armor piercing ammo compared to the standard xm193 ammo. Both had very similar results as far as penetration.



ARFCOM said "Both rounds are effective when used what they were designed for.
M193 Unarmored targets up to 460 meters using a battlesight zero of 250 meters
M855 Targets wearing body armor up to 600 meters. Point target 550 meters and 800 for area targets  http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=54802




I've provided evidence they the round in question is not armor piercing. But that's not even on me. You're the one making the claim, you should provide evidence in the contrary, which you have not done. You seem to think if you keep saying something and act like it's true, it will come true.

Also, tell me this. Let's pretend the ammo in question is called armor piercing. Why should it be banme?


You have to be hands down the stupidest person I have ever seen post on any forum ever on the internet ever (real life as well and I used to work with down kids). That includes people on democratic underground which says a fucking lot. No one comes close to this even the stupidest will stfu once they are proven wrong but you take it to a new fucking level


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22387419 - 10/16/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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endogenous said:
Quote:

Enlil said:
Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
You made the claim that it wasn't armor piercing




When was that? Got a quote where he made that claim?



Of course I didn't make that claim.  I asked him for a source.  I said I've seen no evidence that he had armor piercing rounds.  That's about it.



You said "Seriously, are you incapable of admitting you're wrong even though every single piece of evidence points to it?".


How elementary do we have to get here? If you're saying it's wrong that the bullets were armor piercing, then you're saying they weren't armor piercing.

Duh.





and you're still fishing trying to make those bulllets into something they arent,
soft armor isnt armor, it's known as bullet resistant aramid cloth, you may call
it bullet proof but it''s not. any rifle round can punch through it and there are
plenty of pistol rounds that can do the same, none of these are armor piercing


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22387500 - 10/16/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
You will probably ignore this because it hurts the claims you pulled out of your ass but I'm gonna post it anyways. It's a real world test of the so called armor piercing ammo compared to the standard xm193 ammo. Both had very similar results as far as penetration.



ARFCOM said "Both rounds are effective when used what they were designed for.
M193 Unarmored targets up to 460 meters using a battlesight zero of 250 meters
M855 Targets wearing body armor up to 600 meters. Point target 550 meters and 800 for area targets  http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=54802





any rifle wound will penetrate soft armor, it's kevlar, nothing special here



So what "body armor" are they talking about?




they are talking about kevlar, it's effective against many hand gun rounds but will not stop rifle rounds

this is a green tip in 5.56 against a piece of 1/4" armor, it's a chest plate
insert for kevlar used to protect the vital organs



here's a test in which bullets are used to fire at kevlar helmet pieces, mild
steel and armor plate, they even use armor piercing ammo in this video against a
piece of 3/8 armor plating. in this video, they use the term AP rounds and it's
incorrect terminology just as is often used for the green tip anti personnel rounds.



armor in the military sense of the word is hardened steel or steel alloys that
include metals such as tungsten or ceramics that are designed to stop anti
personnel ammunition. stop gobbling up what the media and these prosecutors tell
you, they want to paint some horrible picture to influence your emotions, they
dont give two shits about the accuracy and are just as uninformed as the general
public about what they're talking about


and because he's cool, here's a dumbass pretending to be a russian



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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22387837 - 10/16/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This stopped being fun after page two. All retorts are to be done in haiku.

Fish our of water,
Rocket surgery its not,
I thinks your INCEL


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #22388046 - 10/16/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You know how you can tell a dickhead from a normal person? They make assumptions about your character based on your hobbies.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Srirachi] * 1
    #22388329 - 10/16/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There are times when that's appropriate.  If you have the hobby of dismembering children, that says something about your character.


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