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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22381898 - 10/15/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

a couple things of note, he's incapable of reading anything but what he wants to read

and

he's more than willing to believe the media regardless of how wrong they are even
though they've never been known for looking for the facts when sensationalism is
what they're all about


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22381925 - 10/15/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
any bullet that can penetrate kevlar is an armor piercing bullet, this covers all
rifles, once again, dead is dead and the tool used to make someone dead isnt the
problem, it's the dickhead that used the tool that is the problem

if you believe that guns are the problem then we need to cut all the killers loose
and put their weapons on trial for the murders they've committed




Not according to the ATF

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18 U.S.C., § 921(a)(17)(B)

    A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
   
    A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.









we arent talking about the ATFs definition, we're talking about the
media/grieving parents and other libtard anti gun activists. the
ATF hasnt presented a case


now here's an example of AP rounds, you think he paid $300 for 20 rounds of ammo?
he bought 4000 rounds according to the article, are we expected to believe that
holmes bought $60k in ammo? I'd love to see the recipts

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=515223991

here's the lucky gunner website, maybe you can link us to the cop killer bullets
and the armor piercing ammo, because you know, it's easy to find

http://www.luckygunner.com



What exactly are you trying to say?

This entire thread I've been saying it wasn't ap ammo, not sure what you're insinuating...


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22381934 - 10/15/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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"Jury finds James Holmes guilty of first-degree murder in theater shooting
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Holmes had brought 700 rounds of ammunition. Metal piercing bullets went through seats — and even through walls into Theater 8. " -- http://wqad.com/2015/07/16/verdict-reached-in-colorado-movie-theater-shooting/




First of all I am not a violent person. I try to respect everyone's opinion even if they are wrong. But you... your arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity reaches record levels in this thread and I just want to reach through the screen and punch you in the fucking face.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22381967 - 10/15/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Holmes prosecutor Richard Orman calls bullets "steel penetrator rounds".


For the full video: http://avideos.5min.com//967/5188967/518896651_2.mp4


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22382265 - 10/15/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"I need a gun to protect myself from all the nutbars out there who have guns."

A logical argument when applied to the individual, an illogical argument when applied to a society.

"It is not the guns which are the problem but rather the people using them."

Since we can't do much about the people who would use a gun inappropriately, at least before they use it, why do we want to make it so easy for them to commit their violence?

You can't have 300 million people with easy access to guns and not have a lot of gun violence. To think otherwise is the height of stupidity.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22382324 - 10/15/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A .22 will go through steel.  That's not what you said, though.  You said that he had armor piercing rounds.  The first source you cited was a distraught mom who knows nothing about it.  The second source was a law firm that filed a complaint that doesn't mention armor piercing rounds.  Now you're citing people talking about green-tipped rounds which aren't armor piercing.

Seriously, are you incapable of admitting you're wrong even though every single piece of evidence points to it?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22382692 - 10/15/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Holmes prosecutor Richard Orman calls bullets "steel penetrator rounds".


For the full video: http://avideos.5min.com//967/5188967/518896651_2.mp4





but he's not calling them armor piercing rounds, he also doesnt day they penetrate
steel or that they are made for penetrating steel, he daoes say the bullets
penetrated the theater seats any bullet can penetrate the theater seats that are
made from plastic, fabric and foam. many air rifles can do the same

what he is doing is creating a narrative, painting an ugly picture in the mind of
the jury and for the media, 'penetrator' is a marketing term, the bullet doesnt
contain a hardened steel core, it's not made from steel, it has a small, steel
tip that's used for ballistics, it aids in the expansion of the bullet which
slows the bullet down when it hits it's target.




perpetrator is for marketing



or should we believe that zombies are real and these are the only bullets that stop them, these rounds also having a green tip, were these what he bought?



and arent these scary, these must be the organ shredders that rip right through
you and become little buzz saws shredding everything in their path, the manufacturer called them RIP bullets and tagged them as the last bullet you'll ever need



and these are federal HST, formerly called Hydra Shock, I think they had to
change the name because whey wouldnt actually shock a hydra because they
contained no actual electricity but since they are listed as personal defense
rounds they cannot possibly be used to commit a murder, it's right there on the
box just like the 'penetrator' round is listed on the box



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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22382697 - 10/15/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't have 300 million people with easy access to guns and not have a lot of gun violence. To think otherwise is the height of stupidity.






sure you can, how about countries with 50 million people and 3x the murder rate
where guns are actually banned, maybe check out many of the latin american
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22382727 - 10/15/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to see movie studios and videogame manufacturers sued for creating their "entertainment" that depicts these violent acts.

Use some common sense: What makes a person more likely to commit a violent act, watching violent acts committed (virtually or not) repeatedly for years, or an inert object?

When the PC crowd is defending the latest inner city sheeple looting and rioting after the justice system refuses to lynch an innocent person to placate the zombie hoards, they are quick to point out that the violence is endemic because of the environment they grew up in, constantly exposed to violence... and everyone nods thoughtfully and excuses the behavior.

When someone suggests that violent videogames, movies, and music could be contributing factors, everybody loses their shit and instead blames the mere existence of a gun.

The entertainment value of these games and movies aren't worth the social cost, and rather than insist others give up their rights to bear arms, I exercise my right to choose not to watch those movies or let my kids play those games.

I'm glad those people in the article were ordered to pay attorney's fees. Their reaction to their grief was to cause more grief. They are exactly the kind of people who become school shooters - when they are hurting, they suspend logic and just try to hurt someone else. Fuck them. They should have to pay. Maybe next time they will think before suing someone who has obeyed all the laws governing their activities.

What the article should say is, "I sued a business that was operating lawfully and now I have to pay their attorney fees, someone else pay this for me because my daughter got murdered." The parents are playing on their child's death... it's disgusting.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Still_tripping] * 1
    #22382751 - 10/15/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Still_tripping said:
You can't have 300 million people with easy access to guns and not have a lot of gun violence. To think otherwise is the height of stupidity.




Actually, there are more forks in the U.S. than guns, and there are absolutely no restrictions on who can buy a fork. You don't even need a permit to carry a concealed fork. Internet stores sell forks to anyone who sends them money, and there are even black market groups where people can buy and sell forks with no background checks. The Republican party has thrown up roadblocks at every turn in the pursuit of sensible fork laws.

With all these forks in America, a tidal wave of forkings is guaranteed. I'm disgusted - I just learned that some irresponsible manufacturers even make forks designed especially for CHILDREN.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Srirachi]
    #22383561 - 10/15/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
    #22383769 - 10/15/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Seriously, are you incapable of admitting you're wrong even though every single piece of evidence points to it?



Here's what I will admit:

I don't know -- and neither do you.

But I am not asking you to admit you're wrong when I'm not sure what the truth is -- whereas you want me to say I'm wrong when you don't know if I am. Not only that, you don't lift a finger to find out what the truth is. You want me to admit that I'm wrong when you don't know if I am or not. That's sick.

Another thing is that it is obvious that you people don't care what the truth is and are only engaged in ego games. What we are talking about as to whether a bullet is "armor piercing" or not, is a very technical discussion that even gun experts find confusing.

E.g., "Throughout my time in the Military, I’d always referred to M855/SS109 5.56 Ammunition (Green Tip) as armor piercing rounds or AP. For the life of me I can’t recall where I first heard that mentioned, but it was fairly common for it to be referred to as that....

After a few people pointed out that M855 isn’t AP in the Facebook comments of the photo I posted, I started doing some digging. It turns out that sure enough, M855 was removed from the ATF’s list of AP rounds. I haven’t been able to track down when this change took place, but I thought it was important to share to all those that have considered M855 to be AP rounds like I did.

While having a Steel Penetrator Tip, this doesn’t constitute M855/SS109 as “Armor Piercing.” The round was designed for increased penetration at longer ranges to combat SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) issues though.
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/

This person was a firearms instructor.

So the green tipped penetrator bullets were, at one time,  considered "armor piercing" by the US definition and many people still think that. Whether Holmes' green tipped steel penetrator bullets would, technically qualify as "armor piercing" with the present state of the  government definition or not, I don't know. I am still trying to find out.

This is the government definition:
Quote:

The term “armor piercing ammunition” means-

    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.


The bullet (projectile) must also have a core made entirely out of the metals listed above, or be a full jacketed bullet with a jacket weighing more than 25% of its overall weight. This means that the SS109/M855 bullets wouldn’t be covered, as their cores are partly steel, and partly lead. Lead isn’t listed in the metals above. Furthermore, as you’ll see in the list below, the ATF has specifically stated that the SS109/M855 bullets are exempted from AP status.  http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/




Again, I quote the ATF agent who testified that the green tipped bullet "often signifies that a bullet is armor-piercing." So, then, she is indicating that she thinks that it could be armor piercing. You would think that an ATF agent would know if a bullet was armor piercing or not since it's the ATF that puts out the definition of what is armor piercing.

Again, this points to the confusion around what qualifies as "armor piercing".

Quote:

4:30 p.m.

AURORA | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Agent Sarah Burnett testified that she examined the AR-15 rifle police say Holmes used during the attack.
[...]
Burnett said there was a round in the chamber as well and had she touched the trigger the gun would have fired. That .223-caliber round in the chamber had a green tip on the bullet, something Burnett said often signifies that a bullet is armor-piercing.




Too bad you people are more interested in playing ego games than in finding the truth.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22384010 - 10/15/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You've effectively proven that one man with firearms experience was wrong in his understanding in nomenclature. I'm not surprised - in the Vietnam era there were soldiers who thought Mattel built their M16.

The problem arises because the bullet has what is defined as a "penetrator tip" or a hardened tip designed for enhanced penetration versus FMJ projectiles. It is a penetrator tip made of steel, not a steel penetration device on the tip of a bullet. SOCOM Mk318 5.56mm bullets have a brass penetrator in the rear of the bullet.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #22384112 - 10/15/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

Enlil said:
Seriously, are you incapable of admitting you're wrong even though every single piece of evidence points to it?



Here's what I will admit:

I don't know -- and neither do you.

But I am not asking you to admit you're wrong when I'm not sure what the truth is -- whereas you want me to say I'm wrong when you don't know if I am. Not only that, you don't lift a finger to find out what the truth is. You want me to admit that I'm wrong when you don't know if I am or not. That's sick.

Another thing is that it is obvious that you people don't care what the truth is and are only engaged in ego games. What we are talking about as to whether a bullet is "armor piercing" or not, is a very technical discussion that even gun experts find confusing.

E.g., "Throughout my time in the Military, I’d always referred to M855/SS109 5.56 Ammunition (Green Tip) as armor piercing rounds or AP. For the life of me I can’t recall where I first heard that mentioned, but it was fairly common for it to be referred to as that....

After a few people pointed out that M855 isn’t AP in the Facebook comments of the photo I posted, I started doing some digging. It turns out that sure enough, M855 was removed from the ATF’s list of AP rounds. I haven’t been able to track down when this change took place, but I thought it was important to share to all those that have considered M855 to be AP rounds like I did.

While having a Steel Penetrator Tip, this doesn’t constitute M855/SS109 as “Armor Piercing.” The round was designed for increased penetration at longer ranges to combat SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) issues though.
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/

This person was a firearms instructor.

So the green tipped penetrator bullets were, at one time,  considered "armor piercing" by the US definition and many people still think that. Whether Holmes' green tipped steel penetrator bullets would, technically qualify as "armor piercing" with the present state of the  government definition or not, I don't know. I am still trying to find out.

This is the government definition:
Quote:

The term “armor piercing ammunition” means-

    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.


The bullet (projectile) must also have a core made entirely out of the metals listed above, or be a full jacketed bullet with a jacket weighing more than 25% of its overall weight. This means that the SS109/M855 bullets wouldn’t be covered, as their cores are partly steel, and partly lead. Lead isn’t listed in the metals above. Furthermore, as you’ll see in the list below, the ATF has specifically stated that the SS109/M855 bullets are exempted from AP status.  http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/ammunition/military-ammunition-and-why-green-tip-m855-is-not-armor-piercing/




Again, I quote the ATF agent who testified that the green tipped bullet "often signifies that a bullet is armor-piercing." So, then, she is indicating that she thinks that it could be armor piercing. You would think that an ATF agent would know if a bullet was armor piercing or not since it's the ATF that puts out the definition of what is armor piercing.

Again, this points to the confusion around what qualifies as "armor piercing".

Quote:

4:30 p.m.

AURORA | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Agent Sarah Burnett testified that she examined the AR-15 rifle police say Holmes used during the attack.
[...]
Burnett said there was a round in the chamber as well and had she touched the trigger the gun would have fired. That .223-caliber round in the chamber had a green tip on the bullet, something Burnett said often signifies that a bullet is armor-piercing.




Too bad you people are more interested in playing ego games than in finding the truth.




Ego games. You're the one grasping at every straw trying to save face.

The judge ruled in favor of the defendant. There is no argument you can make that will reverse it. The plantiff was wrong, you are wrong.

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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22384174 - 10/15/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)


"ATF Tries to Ban Common Rifle Ammo As "Armor-Piercing" Despite Its Own Statutory Definition

Frank Miniter at Forbes' website has a good summation of a controversial new move by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to ban further production and sale of some very common rifle ammo, by classifying it as "armor-piercing," something that, by statutory definition at least, it is not.

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Excerpts:

    The ATF says it wants to ban M855 ball ammunition, a .223 (or 5.56 mm) rifle bullet that has been used by American citizens for decades. The ATF says it wants to ban this popular bullet because it is “armor piercing.”

    The law at the basis of this debate is the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). As amended, the GCA prohibits the import, manufacture and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by a few terms Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice (DOJ) is attempting to broaden.

    The definition for what constitutes “armor piercing” reads: “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely … from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.”

    Now, to be as nitpicky as the law, the M855 ball ammunition the ATF wants to ban as “armor piercing” doesn’t have a core made of the metals listed in what legally makes a bullet “armor piercing.” The M855 actually has a lead core with a steel tip. Also, the M855 is traditionally a rifle cartridge and the ban only covers handgun ammunition. The DOJ argues this doesn’t stop them because the law stipulates they can ban a bullet that “may be used in a handgun.” And, after all, any cartridge may be used in a handgun."
https://reason.com/blog/2015/02/25/atf-tries-to-ban-common-rifle-ammo-as-ar

So far I haven't found out if this ban was put into effect.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: myc_check1212]
    #22384182 - 10/15/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't know if this has already been posted - but yeh :rolleyes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/gun-shop-held-liable-for-purchase-linked-to-shooting-of-police.html?_r=0


MILWAUKEE — A jury late Tuesday awarded more than $5 million in damages to two police officers who were severely wounded with a pistol that a local gun shop sold to a straw buyer in 2009.

Deliberating only nine hours after a two-week trial in Milwaukee County Circuit Court, the jury of eight women and four men decided the unusual lawsuit here in favor of the plaintiffs. Gun-control advocates hoped the verdict would encourage more victims and lawyers to sue what they say is a small minority of gun stores that make questionable sales.


The jury found that the store had been seriously negligent in selling the gun when there were signs that the ostensible purchaser was fronting for an 18-year-old who accompanied him to the store.

One month after the purchase, the 18-year-old, Julius Burton, after being stopped by police for riding his bike on the sidewalk, shot Officer Bryan Norberg in the face and Officer Graham Kunisch in the head and body, leaving him with brain damage and a destroyed eye.

Officer Norberg was emotional and felt vindicated by the verdict, said the chief lawyer for the officers, Patrick O. Dunphy. Mr. Kunisch, who has retired, was pleased but barely showed it, Mr. Dunphy said, a result of his brain injury.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Atreyu]
    #22384203 - 10/15/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow... what does that mean for the families of people murdered by guns from the Fast and Furious scandal? Will Eric Holder be held accountable for the death of the US ATF officer shot with a gun Holder's office ordered to be sold to Mexican cartel gun runners?

I certainly hope so.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Atreyu]
    #22384267 - 10/15/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Another "straw".

It seems it's still in the works:

" September 22, 2015  Martin Larabaster
A new report has surfaced this week, saying that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is contemplating to pass a new regulation that will ban the common AR-15 ammunition. The agency argues that such regulation is necessary in order to ensure the protection of law enforcement officers....

Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible,” a report from the NRA- Institute for Legislative Action ....

The group (NRA) also claims that with the ATF’s proposed regulation, the Obama Administration wants to suppress both the acquisition, ownership and usage of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles including the M855 ball ammunition.
"
  http://www.conservativedailyreview.com/atf-trying-to-ban-ar-15-ammo-under-blanket-term-safety-for-law-enforcement/


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22384382 - 10/15/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So this is what I would conclude as to whether the bullets that Holmes used were "armor piercing" or not:

The bullets were very likely M855.

At the present time, they are legally not considered armor piercing. They once were considered that, but were removed from the list.

The ATF and the Obama Administration considers them to be armor piercing and is trying to put them back on the list.

So, whether they are armor piercing or not depends on who you ask. According to the ATF and the Obama administration, the answer is YES - they are. According to the current legal definition the answer is NO, they aren't - however that may soon change.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22384395 - 10/15/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And whether they are armor piercing or not is totally irrelevant. Just knee jerk bullshit to make this whole situation sound worse. Regular old bargain rounds would've done just as much damage in this situation. Hate to break it to you, but your seat back and your shirt aren't stopping a fucking bullet.


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