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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22375633 - 10/13/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I wouldn't say it's subjective. I'd say it's an issue of fact for a jury to decide.
Interesting way of looking at it. Isn't there (always?) a subjective element to a jury's decision though? Or are you saying it becomes fact because of the jury's determination? In any case, I'd imagine it tends to be pretty clear-cut a lot of the time.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22375751 - 10/13/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I wouldn't say it's subjective. I'd say it's an issue of fact for the ATF to decide.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22376299 - 10/13/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: We were talking about the gun laws. I do not own a gun and do not want to own one. I haven't visited individual gun stores in the states where the laws don't require licenses or registrations but being as a gun store is in business to make money, I can't imagine that any store would require licenses and registrations if they aren't required.
so you know nothing about guns, nothing about gun laws, you claimed they didnt need to do background checks and now you're talking about license and registration
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zappaisgod said: Gun shows and private sales are generally exempt from background checks
guns shows are not exempt from background checks, only private sales and many people will still have you do one at the gun store or through an FFL dealer
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22376317 - 10/13/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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your stats are flawed.
i have a dui.. i still legally go through the background checks. no smoke, no mirrors.
if i forgot about a speeding ticket, i will get declined though.
the people on the other side just need to do their damned jobs. fuck a speeding ticket, if you have ever been in a mental inst. you should not be able to buy a gun. and thats where it is fucking ass backwards.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22376386 - 10/13/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It is the private sale loophole which often takes place at gun shows.
it's not a loophole, it's written into the law that private sales do not require a background check
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22376577 - 10/14/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: I'm not understanding what you are asking about.
Clearly.
I have seen no evidence that Holmes had armor-piercing rounds.
A picture of Jessica Ghawi, the person who this article is about:
 This is from the 1st post in this thread. Armor piercing bullets are mentioned - not once, not twice, not 3 times -- but 4 times (I'm including "steel jacketed" and "specially designed bullets").
"It is un-American and outrageous that these special laws can deny us our day in court simply because we were victimized by the gun industry. Our lawsuit was not frivolous. Our Jessi was shot multiple times with high-velocity, armor-piercing bullets that were designed by our military to inflict maximum damage on enemy combatants.
One of the six, steel-jacketed bullets that killed her slammed through a theater seat, entered her left eye and left a five-inch hole in her face as it blew her brains out on to the theater floor. The other five specially designed bullets tumbled when they tore through her flesh and did devastating damage to both legs, arms and intestines.
Those bullets were six of 4,000 that Lucky Gunner sold to a mass murderer in one sale without even checking his driver's license.
Why is there a law that says you cannot sue an ammunitions dealer that allowed 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets into the wrong hands?" -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22291714#22291714
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Edited by endogenous (10/14/15 12:11 AM)
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 2
#22376616 - 10/14/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You continually show how little you know about guns. Steel ammo is not some specialty round designed to be more deadly. Steel is used because it is cheaper. It's not as popular as brass/copper for pretty much only one reason, you may or may not be able to use it at the range depending on a few factors. For instance, dry out door conditions it can start a fire when you're shooting at metal plates.
I bet without Google you don't even know jacketed means. All you're doing is quoting some other idiot who has no idea what they're talking about, and presenting it here as if you have knowledge on the subject. It is painfully obvious that you literally know jack fucking shit about guns.
Don't make any more threads on guns until you know what you're talking about. It makes you look extremely stupid.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
#22376660 - 10/14/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tell it to the dead girl's mother. She was the one who wrote the article which I quoted. And do you really think that she doesn't know what armor-piercing bullets are? She and her husband sued the company that sold them.
My man, I think you flushed your soul down the drain the last time you went.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22376670 - 10/14/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: And do you really think that she doesn't know what armor-piercing bullets are?
Yes.
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endogenous said: She and her husband sued the company that sold them.
She sued them? Oh goodie she is 200k in the hole now. I guess that means she's pretty educated on all possible outcomes/ramifications, right?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22377007 - 10/14/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Tell it to the dead girl's mother. She was the one who wrote the article which I quoted. And do you really think that she doesn't know what armor-piercing bullets are? She and her husband sued the company that sold them.
My man, I think you flushed your soul down the drain the last time you went.
SHE DID NOT GET SHOT WITH ARMOR PIERCING BULLETS. YOU KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT GUNS BUT YAP NONSTOP LIKE YOUR SOME EXPERT WHICH ALL YOU DO IS QUOTE ARTICLES WRITTEN BY OTHER OTHER IDIOTS THAT KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT GUNS REPETEDLY AND IGNORE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT SHOW YOU ARE WRONG '
This is the third fucking time I have said it I swear to fucking god if you are a troll you are a epic one because I've lost all of my fucking patience with this thread
Edited by luvdemboomers (10/14/15 04:31 AM)
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22377012 - 10/14/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nignored
and yes, her parents are fucking idiots. It's a trajedy their daughter died, and I understand wanting to blame someone, but they are still idiots.
Edited by luvdemboomers (10/14/15 04:46 AM)
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22377194 - 10/14/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're using your own post as your source
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22377204 - 10/14/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: She and her husband sued the company that sold them.
This proves they had $500.00 and a printer.
As I recall, that suit was dismissed as frivolous, and they were ordered to pay the defendant's attorneys fees.
So, do you have an actual source? Or are you just relying on the words of someone who has already had her claims dismissed?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22377633 - 10/14/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is from the 1st post in this thread. Armor piercing bullets are mentioned
any bullet that can penetrate kevlar is an armor piercing bullet, this covers all rifles, once again, dead is dead and the tool used to make someone dead isnt the problem, it's the dickhead that used the tool that is the problem
if you believe that guns are the problem then we need to cut all the killers loose and put their weapons on trial for the murders they've committed
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: PLURAL]
#22377685 - 10/14/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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treant said: Read like half of it and it got too long.
They tried suing a ammunition distributor because their daughter was shot with a bullet bought from them?
What in the fuck?
They should fine them for wasting the state's time on top of the $203,000.
lol this
what's next you gonna sue the spoon manufacturer because it made you fat
fuk outta here
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: cube talk]
#22377699 - 10/14/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cube talk said: you gonna sue the spoon manufacturer because it made you fat
sue walmart for selling forks, that's my plan
we need registration and licensing and testing for fork ownership
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22379579 - 10/14/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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endogenous said: She and her husband sued the company that sold them.
This proves they had $500.00 and a printer.
As I recall, that suit was dismissed as frivolous, and they were ordered to pay the defendant's attorneys fees.
So, do you have an actual source? Or are you just relying on the words of someone who has already had her claims dismissed?
Yes I quoted my own post since you obviously didn't read it and then you say things like "I can find no evidence of armor-piercing bullets", when the mother of the girl who was killed said it 4 times in the article I quoted.
And, to again quote my own post which you failed to bother to read before making absurd comments:
"Attorneys at Arnold and Porter and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence brought the lawsuit for us, pro bono. "
Yeah right -- the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence doesn't know anything about armor piercing bullets.
You people at the Pub should be ashamed of yourselves.
You make people who ingest Mushrooms look like they heartlessly support mass murderers.
I don't know why I waste my time talking to people who insult and criticize what I write without having read it in the first place.
Edited by endogenous (10/14/15 04:38 PM)
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22379600 - 10/14/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can say anything I want 4 times it doesn't make it true.
You're an idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about. You're an idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about. You're an idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about. You're an idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about.
Oh wait, I guess it does kinda work that way. Guess they were armor piercing bullets after all.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22379619 - 10/14/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: when the mother of the girl who was killed said it 4 times in the article I quoted.
That's not evidence unless she's a qualified expert. Is she? Quote:
Yeah right -- the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence doesn't know anything about armor piercing bullets.
Most likely, they don't. Even if they do, that means nothing. They're attorneys, and they filed a complaint. None of that is evidence.
Again I ask, do you have any evidence that Holmes had armor piercing rounds?
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22379633 - 10/14/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: any bullet that can penetrate kevlar is an armor piercing bullet, this covers all rifles, once again, dead is dead and the tool used to make someone dead isnt the problem, it's the dickhead that used the tool that is the problem
if you believe that guns are the problem then we need to cut all the killers loose and put their weapons on trial for the murders they've committed
Not according to the ATF
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18 U.S.C., § 921(a)(17)(B)
A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
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