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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374028 - 10/13/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Show me the law that says you have to do a background check when there is no requirement for license or registration.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22374029 - 10/13/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Obviously, none of you know the law so your posts are all bark and no bite.
And I already posted a video showing abc news purchasing handguns and assault weapons at a gun show without having to even show id.
But thanks for showing that you think condescension and insult will prove your point when you obviously are in the wrong.
You don't know the first thing about guns or the laws behind them, yet you have a 10 page thread on them covering both subjects.
What the fuck else did you expect aside from condescension? All you've done through this whole thread is talk out of your ass.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374056 - 10/13/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Obviously, none of you know the law.
You're right... we don't know shit. So please enlighten us to the exact details of everything related to gun laws in terms of being purchased, back ground checks and the entire process. Also include special gunshows and federal gunshows and the like.
Please make sure to include all 50 states and make sure it is formatted well enough to where people can review your work.
Thank you and have a nice day Mr. Obviously knows the law.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374063 - 10/13/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Show me the law that says you have to do a background check when there is no requirement for license or registration.
Your ignorance on something you've prattled on about is astonishing.
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The Brady Act mandated that FFL dealers run background checks on their buyers. At first, the law applied only to handgun sales, and there was a waiting period (maximum of five days) to accommodate dealers in states that did not already have background check systems in place. Those dealers were to use state law enforcement to run checks until 1998, when the NICS would become operational and come into effect. In 1997, the Supreme Court ruled against the five-day waiting period, but by 1998 the NICS was up and running, administered by the FBI, and applied to all firearms purchases from FFL dealers, including long guns.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374066 - 10/13/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Show me the law that says you have to do a background check when there is no requirement for license or registration.
Dude, you're really making yourself look silly here. The brady act requires background checks for purchases from a licensed firearm dealer. Some states prohibit any transfer of ownership in private sales without a licensed firearm dealer, while others allow private sales of guns.
Of course, illegal gun sales occur, but every gun that gets from a manufacturer into a consumer's hand in the U.S. requires a background check.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22374086 - 10/13/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Gun shows and private sales are generally exempt from background checks
Apparently, you also don't know shit about gun laws.
There is no exemption for gun show sales. Any sale, any where, by a licensed dealer requires a check.
Lick me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
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Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to sales of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, and within the secondary market.[1] The loophole refers to a perceived gap in the law with regard to sales or transfers of firearms between private citizens.[2] The concept may also be referred to as the Brady Law loophole and the private sale loophole.
Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks of buyers to verify that the buyer is not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Private sellers are also not required to record the sale or ask for identification.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22374124 - 10/13/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Note -- the Brady Bill is titled "Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act".
I will have to dig further into it, but it certainly appears from the title that it only covers handguns.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22374138 - 10/13/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your link doesn't support your argument, and it supports LDS. Gun shows are not exempted. Private sales are exempted from brady, whether at gun shows or not. Sales by firearm dealers require a background check, whether or not it's sold at a gun show.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22374143 - 10/13/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Note -- the Brady Bill is titled "Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act".
I will have to dig further into it, but it certainly appears from the title that it only covers handguns.
Yeah, and the movie "scream" implies that it might actually be scary...it isn't.
The brady act applies to ALL FIREARMS.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22374150 - 10/13/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said: Gun shows and private sales are generally exempt from background checks
Apparently, you also don't know shit about gun laws.
There is no exemption for gun show sales. Any sale, any where, by a licensed dealer requires a check.
Lick me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
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Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to sales of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, and within the secondary market.[1] The loophole refers to a perceived gap in the law with regard to sales or transfers of firearms between private citizens.[2] The concept may also be referred to as the Brady Law loophole and the private sale loophole.
Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks of buyers to verify that the buyer is not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Private sellers are also not required to record the sale or ask for identification.
Nope. You still have it wrong. No licensed dealer, at a gun show or anywhere else, can sell a gun without a background check.
There is no gun show exemption. If a licensed dealer sells a gun without a background check, he or she has violated federal law.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Enlil]
#22374153 - 10/13/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Your link doesn't support your argument, and it supports LDS. Gun shows are not exempted. Private sales are exempted from brady, whether at gun shows or not. Sales by firearm dealers require a background check, whether or not it's sold at a gun show.
I said generally. Dealers need to do background checks. Private sellers at gun shows do not. I have no idea what percent of gun show sales are by private sellers.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374160 - 10/13/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Brady Act, passed in 1993 as an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, imposes a waiting period of up to five days for the purchase of a handgun, and subjects purchasers to a background check during that period. -- http://www.lectlaw.com/def/b071.htm
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] 1
#22374164 - 10/13/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Note -- the Brady Bill is titled "Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act".
I will have to dig further into it, but it certainly appears from the title that it only covers handguns.
There's also a Patriot Act and an Affordable Care Act. Neither are what they are called.
Did you not read the entire quote or are you just too immature to admit you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about?
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In 1997, the Supreme Court ruled against the five-day waiting period, but by 1998 the NICS was up and running, administered by the FBI, and applied to all firearms purchases from FFL dealers, including long guns.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22374171 - 10/13/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Your link doesn't support your argument, and it supports LDS. Gun shows are not exempted. Private sales are exempted from brady, whether at gun shows or not. Sales by firearm dealers require a background check, whether or not it's sold at a gun show.
I said generally. Dealers need to do background checks. Private sellers at gun shows do not. I have no idea what percent of gun show sales are by private sellers.
Just man up and admit you were wrong.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374178 - 10/13/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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endogenous said: The Brady Act, passed in 1993 as an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, imposes a waiting period of up to five days for the purchase of a handgun, and subjects purchasers to a background check during that period. -- http://www.lectlaw.com/def/b071.htm
Your ability to beclown yourself is only equaled by the like of koods and zappa.
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In 1997, the Supreme Court ruled against the five-day waiting period, but by 1998 the NICS was up and running, administered by the FBI, and applied to all firearms purchases from FFL dealers, including long guns.
But hey, depending on the actual text in 1968 goes a long way toward making you look intelligent.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22374187 - 10/13/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Your link doesn't support your argument, and it supports LDS. Gun shows are not exempted. Private sales are exempted from brady, whether at gun shows or not. Sales by firearm dealers require a background check, whether or not it's sold at a gun show.
I said generally. Dealers need to do background checks. Private sellers at gun shows do not. I have no idea what percent of gun show sales are by private sellers.
Just man up and admit you were wrong.
No. All anybody who wants to avoid a background check has to do is find a private seller at a gun show. Easy Peasy.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: zappaisgod]
#22374191 - 10/13/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't think you'd have the spine.
Past history makes that clear.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22374258 - 10/13/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a fact. I have guns. I have no issue with background checks because I have no problem passing them. But it would be no problem to avoid one at a gun show. Like I said, Easy Peasy.
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374293 - 10/13/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It appears I missed, or didn't remember, that the Brady Bill was extended to include long guns. However, it still doesn't cover private sales.
"Background checks are not required under Federal law for firearm transfers between private parties." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
#22374317 - 10/13/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're finally starting to catch up.
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