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We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer
    #22291714 - 09/26/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Lonnie and Sandy Phillips

We have been getting a lot of questions about our lawsuit against Lucky Gunner, the online company that sold ammunition to the man who murdered our daughter Jessica along with 11 others in an Aurora, Colorado, theater. Especially after the Rachel Maddow Show covered us twice, people ask us about the judge's order that we pay Lucky Gunner's attorneys' fees, since our lawsuit was unsuccessful.

We brought our lawsuit because we thought it was outrageous that companies could sell a dangerous man an arsenal without getting any information about him, and without making any effort to see if he was a dangerous killer -- which he was. When the killer had left a voicemail with a shooting range, the range operator knew that he was bad news and shouldn't be given access to guns. But these companies set up their business so people just like this killer can arm themselves at the click of a mouse. We wanted to change that. And we still do.

Attorneys at Arnold and Porter and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence brought the lawsuit for us, pro bono. We knew the risks of bringing the case. We knew that Colorado and Congress have given special protection of the gun industry, and we knew that under Colorado law we could even be ordered to pay attorneys' fees because of those special protections.

But we thought it was important to take a stand, to fight to prevent other families from suffering as we have. We did not seek any money in our case. We just wanted injunctive relief -- to have these companies act reasonably when they sold dangerous materiel, like 100-round ammunition magazines, ammunition, body armor, and tear gas.

The judge dismissed our case because, he said, these online sellers had special immunity from the general duty to use reasonable care under the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act and a Colorado immunity law. If you couple the PLCAA law with Colorado's law HB 000-208, (which says in essence: If you bring a civil case against a gun or ammunition seller and the case is dismissed then the plaintiff must pay all the defendant's costs), you have an impenetrable barrier to using the judicial system to effect change in gun legislation in Colorado.

Everyone else in society has a duty to use reasonable care to not injure others -- except gun and ammunition sellers.

To make matters worse, the judge ordered that we pay $203,000. This is an outrageous amount, especially given that this case was decided after one single motion! Lucky Gunner has said that it is going to donate all these fees to "gun rights" groups. The thought is disgusting to us that Lucky Gunner does not even plan to use this money to pay for their attorney's fees.

Lucky Gunner wants to use blood money to fund the NRA and like-minded groups. See for yourself. Check out Lucky Gunner's self-serving description of our case then click on "Head Here" (the green words at the end of Lucky Gunner's last sentence) to find out how the money is to be distributed.

The law says we are responsible for these fees, which we recognize. We do not have the money to pay this amount. The Judge insinuated in his order that Brady should pay since he said they were the instigators. If this was a ploy designed to give the appearance that Brady was responsible and turn us against each other, it did not work.

Brady is still fighting for us pro bono and we see no evidence that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence will not help us raise funds if and when that time comes.

We believe that the judge's decision was wrong, and that it is unconstitutional to financially punish people for bringing a lawsuit, especially a public interest case that did not seek a dime. But rather than risk possibly being ordered to pay even more fees, we are changing our focus from going after these laws in the judicial branch (we have dropped our appeal) to getting them overturned on the legislative level.

We have brought attorney Dan Wartell with the law firm Jones & Keller into our team who is also helping us.

We hope that we are spearheading a movement to expose these egregious and unconstitutional laws for what they really are. They are an attack on our civil liberties. With these laws in place ordinary citizens are effectively barred by the exorbitant cost from bringing any civil action against sellers of firearms and ammunition.

It is un-American and outrageous that these special laws can deny us our day in court simply because we were victimized by the gun industry. Our lawsuit was not frivolous. Our Jessi was shot multiple times with high-velocity, armor-piercing bullets that were designed by our military to inflict maximum damage on enemy combatants.

One of the six, steel-jacketed bullets that killed her slammed through a theater seat, entered her left eye and left a five-inch hole in her face as it blew her brains out on to the theater floor. The other five specially designed bullets tumbled when they tore through her flesh and did devastating damage to both legs, arms and intestines.

Those bullets were six of 4,000 that Lucky Gunner sold to a mass murderer in one sale without even checking his driver's license.

Why is there a law that says you cannot sue an ammunitions dealer that allowed 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets into the wrong hands?

How else are we as citizens going to get them to stop doing that?

No other industry has this immunity.

The horrific and public execution of our daughter Jessi and 11 other beautiful young lives has given us a brief window of opportunity to bring awareness to the number one public health crisis facing this nation today which is rampant gun violence. It is unfathomable to me that the billion dollar gun lobby can intimidate our Congress and some state legislatures into passing laws that give the gun industry immunity against irresponsible acts that enables them to arm, and profit from, domestic terrorists, and other killers.

It is abhorrent to us as the parents of a child who has been killed by a person with outwardly obvious mental issues who was able to easily access a one hundred round magazine and 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets online without a valid ID.

Who is our last line of defense that makes that conscious decision to not ask for ID before selling large orders of lethal, military-grade armament? Online sellers, knowing they are shielded by immunity laws, refuse to put into place even minimal safeguards that would save lives. That is abhorrent to us.

One of the ways that we can level the playing field is to create precedents in our court rooms that make gun and ammunition dealers pay a price for conduct that contributes to gun violence. Another way is to lobby our state and federal legislators to repeal these laws. That is our objective.

We are calling on the citizens of this country and the gun violence prevention community to stand ready to help us get in the face of state and national legislators. Join us in helping to get the word out to the American citizens who are not aware of how these laws take away the rights of victims of gun violence.

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Lonnie and Sandy Phillips' daughter, Jessica Ghawi, was murdered in the Aurora, Colorado theater massacre in 2012. Since then, they have become advocates for common-sense gun laws in America. Their non-profit, Jessi's Message, allows them to take their trailer and travel the country telling their story and working with fellow victims and survivors of violence.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22291716 - 09/26/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous]
    #22291720 - 09/26/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's fucked up, and I thought the 8k I had to pay was a lot.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 12
    #22291727 - 09/26/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Read like half of it and it got too long.

They tried suing a ammunition distributor because their daughter was shot with a bullet bought from them?

What in the fuck?

They should fine them for wasting the state's time on top of the $203,000.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: PLURAL] * 12
    #22291733 - 09/26/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dont make frivolous lawsuits againt innocent people :cookiemonster:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: endogenous] * 2
    #22291736 - 09/26/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

We knew the risks of bringing the case. We knew that Colorado and Congress have given special protection of the gun industry, and we knew that under Colorado law we could even be ordered to pay attorneys' fees because of those special protections.




Nothing more needs to be said. They knew the risks, they took the risks.

Oh and then this too:

Quote:

The horrific and public execution of our daughter Jessi and 11 other beautiful young lives has given us a brief window of opportunity to bring awareness to the number one public health crisis facing this nation today which is rampant gun violence.




Gun violence is a symptom. The real crisis is how many mentally unhinged insane people are out there who think killing a bunch of people is a good idea.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip] * 5
    #22291752 - 09/26/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

do you sue the ISP for allowing computer user that trolled your kids into suicide?

do you sue the mcdonalds cooperation for allowing an employee to serve your obease cousin a big mac, that later caused his heart attack?

do you sue the walmert that knowingly sold  that kitchen knife set to the angry looking man that used them to stab your wife to death?


no,no, and no.

this is no different.

the shooting was a tragedy. it ruined batman in colorado, and made everyone fucking paranoid to ever gather socially in the dark for a simple film. but it's not the ammo manufacturer's fault this guy was a freak. shit, i would imagine that vast majority of their customers that purchase these sorts of weapons and bombs, are not you're average joe. whose to say which ones will do something fucked up, and which ones will just be heavily armed  private citizens?

i do however find it unreasonable to demand these sorts of figures $ from this family, or any of the victims families that wanted some sort of remorseful compensation/ prevention of more such instances. likely badgered by emotion and pressure from their lawyers to enter such a law suit.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Salomon]
    #22291755 - 09/26/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
likely badgered by emotion and pressure from their lawyers to enter such a law suit.




Lol you're a walking contradiction man.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: PLURAL]
    #22291759 - 09/26/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Treant said:
Read like half of it and it got too long.

They tried suing a ammunition distributor because their daughter was shot with a bullet bought from them?

What in the fuck?

They should fine them for wasting the state's time on top of the $203,000.



No - they sued the ammunition distributor because "It is abhorrent to us as the parents of a child who has been killed by a person with outwardly obvious mental issues who was able to easily access a one hundred round magazine and 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets online without a valid ID." The distributors also sold the insane shooter "body armor, and tear gas".


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shiithead]
    #22291765 - 09/26/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
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Salomon said:
likely badgered by emotion and pressure from their lawyers to enter such a law suit.




Lol you're a walking contradiction man.



enlighten me


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Salomon]
    #22291799 - 09/26/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
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Salomon said:
likely badgered by emotion and pressure from their lawyers to enter such a law suit.




Lol you're a walking contradiction man.



enlighten me




You are redirecting their responsibilities to "pressure from their lawyers"


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shiithead]
    #22291809 - 09/26/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
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Salomon said:
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Shiithead said:
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Salomon said:
likely badgered by emotion and pressure from their lawyers to enter such a law suit.




Lol you're a walking contradiction man.



enlighten me




You are redirecting their responsibilities to "pressure from their lawyers"



oh don't get me wrong, it's fully their responsibility for seeking this action, lawyers can't force you to do shit.

it just would seem when you have a fancy man in a suit tell you that you're likely to win a class action suance (yep stole that from southpark) of a large company and get monies for whateves, you're going to be more inclined to nod and proceed accordingly to me fancy suit's direction, especially while already emotionally inclined via your child's recent murder.


i still see not how makes me a contradiction?


what exactly are you perceiving me saying that you are also perceiving me to then disagree with myself?

nigga i'm not starburst.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Salomon]
    #22291849 - 09/26/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

nigga you a starbitch..  :whatyougonnado:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #22291858 - 09/26/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

better than a shithead :douchewink:


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22291870 - 09/26/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
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endogenous said:
This is from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lonnie-and-sandy-phillips/lucky-gunner-lawsuit_b_8197804.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

We knew the risks of bringing the case. We knew that Colorado and Congress have given special protection of the gun industry, and we knew that under Colorado law we could even be ordered to pay attorneys' fees because of those special protections.




Nothing more needs to be said. They knew the risks, they took the risks.

Oh and then this too:

Quote:

The horrific and public execution of our daughter Jessi and 11 other beautiful young lives has given us a brief window of opportunity to bring awareness to the number one public health crisis facing this nation today which is rampant gun violence.




Gun violence is a symptom. The real crisis is how many mentally unhinged insane people are out there who think killing a bunch of people is a good idea.




Yes. A symptom of having too many guns.

But you're totally fine with selling unhinged people 4000 bullets.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Salomon] * 1
    #22291894 - 09/26/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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do you sue the ISP for allowing computer user that trolled your kids into suicide?

do you sue the mcdonalds cooperation for allowing an employee to serve your obease cousin a big mac, that later caused his heart attack?

do you sue the walmert that knowingly sold  that kitchen knife set to the angry looking man that used them to stab your wife to death?


no,no, and no.

this is no different.





This was exactly my sentiment on a Facebook thread about this story. It'd be different if they sued the people who sold him the gun and he was not eligible to own one, but this lawsuit was pretty frivolous. Shame on the lawyers for talking them into continuing even knowing exactly this would be the outcome.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: koods]
    #22291902 - 09/26/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes. A symptom of having too many guns.

But you're totally fine with selling unhinged people 4000 bullets.




How were the dealers supposed to know the attacker was mentally unstable? It's not like you can do anything with ammo without a gun, and if the guy had been committed in a mental institution he wouldn't have been able to buy a weapon.

Also people buy bulk cases all the time, because it's cheaper and you save on shipping.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: koods] * 3
    #22291908 - 09/26/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't really read the whole story, but it doesn't just apply this one story. How do you really know what a person intends to do with the ammo or if they're mentally unstable. Socio/psychopaths cannot be simply diagnosed like that. They're highly charismatic and to someone who's spent all of 5 minutes talking to them, they appear to be absolutely normal. There are plenty of people out there right now who have guns and it's pretty likely that a good number of them really shouldn't have them. Being irresponsible can even be just as bad and that would be even harder to "diagnose". Then there are yet even more cases where when someone obtained their gun/ammo they were actually stable and normal but some life event altered that. Are we supposed to look into everyone's future to determine if it's safe for them to have a gun?

The gun violence is not a symptom of having too many guns, it's a symptom of fucked up people who want to kill people. Assume every single person in the US is absolutely sane, clear headed and overall a good person. What do you think the murder rate by gun would be? Let's double the amount of guns out there, you think that's going to result in a significantly higher rate of murder by gun? Then let's compare the complete opposite variable. Assume every single person in the US is mentally unstable, violent and has no regard for human life, how do you think the murder rate would compare? Let's HALVE the guns out there, do you think the sane people with 4x the amount of guns would have murder rates that would even get close to comparing with the insane population?

Gun violence is a symptom of unstable people with no regard for life. The sane, clear headed good people don't have much of a reason to go attempting murder. Yes it WOULD still happen, because sometimes our emotions get the better of us, I don't believe it would happen at anywhere near the same rate however.

I'll admit I really have no ideas on how to fix this system or how to identify the psychos who are going to shoot people, but IMO it's better to admit that than act as if removing guns is the solution to this problem.

For the second part: the media loves to throw around the huge numbers of rounds, it's just a knee jerk thing. 4k rounds sounds like a lot, but it's not really when you're always going to the range, it's extremely common for people to buy thousands of rounds, it doesn't mean you're insane or you plan to go fuck shit up. Ammo is fucking expensive and buying in bulk REALLY cuts down on the costs. It is very common for people who have been collecting and firing guns for a decade or two, to have 10's of thousands of rounds. Right this very minute I have 3-4k rounds in my closet (plus the brass to make another 1-2k). I'm not going on a shooting spree, it's just you simply get hosed making range trips and buying a few boxes (50-100 rounds per box) of ammo at a time.

All that said, no I am not okay with giving mentally unhinged people guns nor ammo. The problem is, their issues are usually only found/noticed after the fact. Until you can identify them consistently, then this is just the way things are going to be.

Also as a side note, this article makes it seem absurd he was able to order thousands of rounds off the internet with no ID. Well, it happens. All an ID tells you is the person's physical appearance and age. When you order ammo online (as I do) someone who is 18/21 has to sign for it. All a website can really do, is try and ensure it's not a minor buying them.

EDIT: Before you go there, yes people do slip through the cracks and they were known to be unstable and managed to obtain a gun anyways. I think this problem should be fixed. Technically, they shouldn't have been able to obtain them anyways. I dunno about other states but the registration paperwork we fill out in Texas asks about mental disabilities. If you answer yes you have one, you're not getting the gun. But not much is being done to ensure that is true. It's an issue and should be addressed.


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22292360 - 09/26/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are insane people everywhere. The levels of mental illness in the US is not significantly different than in other similar wealthy democratic countries. Our murder rate is much higher.

You just said the problem is mentally unhinged insane people. How do you plan on solving that problem?


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Re: We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22292372 - 09/26/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
I haven't really read the whole story, but it doesn't just apply this one story. How do you really know what a person intends to do with the ammo or if they're mentally unstable. Socio/psychopaths cannot be simply diagnosed like that. They're highly charismatic and to someone who's spent all of 5 minutes talking to them, they appear to be absolutely normal. There are plenty of people out there right now who have guns and it's pretty likely that a good number of them really shouldn't have them. Being irresponsible can even be just as bad and that would be even harder to "diagnose". Then there are yet even more cases where when someone obtained their gun/ammo they were actually stable and normal but some life event altered that. Are we supposed to look into everyone's future to determine if it's safe for them to have a gun?

The gun violence is not a symptom of having too many guns, it's a symptom of fucked up people who want to kill people. Assume every single person in the US is absolutely sane, clear headed and overall a good person. What do you think the murder rate by gun would be? Let's double the amount of guns out there, you think that's going to result in a significantly higher rate of murder by gun? Then let's compare the complete opposite variable. Assume every single person in the US is mentally unstable, violent and has no regard for human life, how do you think the murder rate would compare? Let's HALVE the guns out there, do you think the sane people with 4x the amount of guns would have murder rates that would even get close to comparing with the insane population?

Gun violence is a symptom of unstable people with no regard for life. The sane, clear headed good people don't have much of a reason to go attempting murder. Yes it WOULD still happen, because sometimes our emotions get the better of us, I don't believe it would happen at anywhere near the same rate however.

I'll admit I really have no ideas on how to fix this system or how to identify the psychos who are going to shoot people, but IMO it's better to admit that than act as if removing guns is the solution to this problem.

For the second part: the media loves to throw around the huge numbers of rounds, it's just a knee jerk thing. 4k rounds sounds like a lot, but it's not really when you're always going to the range, it's extremely common for people to buy thousands of rounds, it doesn't mean you're insane or you plan to go fuck shit up. Ammo is fucking expensive and buying in bulk REALLY cuts down on the costs. It is very common for people who have been collecting and firing guns for a decade or two, to have 10's of thousands of rounds. Right this very minute I have 3-4k rounds in my closet (plus the brass to make another 1-2k). I'm not going on a shooting spree, it's just you simply get hosed making range trips and buying a few boxes (50-100 rounds per box) of ammo at a time.

All that said, no I am not okay with giving mentally unhinged people guns nor ammo. The problem is, their issues are usually only found/noticed after the fact. Until you can identify them consistently, then this is just the way things are going to be.

Also as a side note, this article makes it seem absurd he was able to order thousands of rounds off the internet with no ID. Well, it happens. All an ID tells you is the person's physical appearance and age. When you order ammo online (as I do) someone who is 18/21 has to sign for it. All a website can really do, is try and ensure it's not a minor buying them.

EDIT: Before you go there, yes people do slip through the cracks and they were known to be unstable and managed to obtain a gun anyways. I think this problem should be fixed. Technically, they shouldn't have been able to obtain them anyways. I dunno about other states but the registration paperwork we fill out in Texas asks about mental disabilities. If you answer yes you have one, you're not getting the gun. But not much is being done to ensure that is true. It's an issue and should be addressed.




Gun violence is related to gang and criminal activity, not "unstable people".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


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