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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22298254 - 09/27/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Luckily, what I do for a living is irrelevant to this discussion. As a result, you can assume I'm a "shill" or whatever you want, and it doesn't matter. This is, of course, why I initially ignored your silly little attempt to claim bias based on how I earn my living.
So, to recap: Bennylava's suggestion wouldn't be legal. Monopolies are legal, and 6 companies controlling the media isn't a monopoly anyway.
Any other suggestions about how one can promote responsibility in the media?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22298271 - 09/27/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Cite a statute prohibiting monopolies or you're talking out of your ass.
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Enlil said: Antitrust laws exist, but a monopoly isn't illegal unless it was formed and/or maintained by some unlawful practice.
Dude you're going to have to take it up with the Federal Trade Commission, because you're wrong.
FTC.gov: Monopolization Defined The antitrust laws prohibit conduct by a single firm that unreasonably restrains competition by creating or maintaining monopoly power. Most Section 2 claims involve the conduct of a firm with a leading market position, although Section 2 of the Sherman Act also bans attempts to monopolize and conspiracies to monopolize. (1)As a first step, courts ask if the firm has "monopoly power" in any market. This requires in-depth study of the products sold by the leading firm, and any alternative products consumers may turn to if the firm attempted to raise prices. (2)Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident. Here courts evaluate the anticompetitive effects of the conduct and its procompetitive justifications.
those 2 things are what the government has to do just to determine if there might be monopolistic behavior. Then the company would have to have some done pretty blatantly improper to get charged AND convicted of some law with those vague and arbitrary conditions.
That looks like a procedure a butt-hurt little uncompetitive company would use to blood-suck off a big successful one.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil] 1
#22299654 - 09/27/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, you really don't have any business arguing with me. Monopolies aren't illegal, and many exist naturally and by operation of law.
The bottom line here is that your idea would be unconstitutional.
Do you know what the definition of a monopoly is? I'm really having to ask this right now, cause I'm starting to have my doubts. Even if its unconstitutional, since this thread is about ideas to promote responsibility in the media, I could always just suggest that a constitutional amendment be made. Then it would be constitutional.
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Enlil said: Just one will suffice. So far, you've only confirmed what I said yesterday...monopolies aren't illegal unless it is formed or maintained by some unlawful practice.
You've long since lost the argument. What do you consider some unlawful practice? Oh hmm... I don't know... maybe its... BREAKING THE LAW??
And "some monopolies are illegal"? Which ones did you think I was talking about?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22299687 - 09/27/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You didn't say some...you said "monopolies are illegal now". Some food is illegal. Some cars are illegal. You didn't mean that some monopolies are illegal, and you didn't say that. You claimed that monopolies are illegal. You were wrong then and you're wrong now.
I'm still waiting for someone to cite a statute that prohibits monopolies.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil] 1
#22299707 - 09/27/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You didn't say some...you said "monopolies are illegal now". Some food is illegal. Some cars are illegal. You didn't mean that some monopolies are illegal, and you didn't say that. You claimed that monopolies are illegal. You were wrong then and you're wrong now.
You've been wrong throughout this whole thread. Everything you've said has been wrong. You really think a judge is a brainless idiot who isn't going to put two and two together, if the "monopoly" ever went that far? You're really saying he's going to be like "Hmm, these guys have a monopoly, and they're violating this set of laws. They're price fixing, and they're unreasonably restraining competition, by creating and maintaining monopoly power. Well screw it, case dismissed".
Cause that's what you're saying. If its not what you're saying, then you should be more clear.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22299733 - 09/27/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What would it matter what a judge thought? Judges don't decide such things.
Also, price fixing is illegal. Unreasonably restraining competition is illegal. Having a monopoly isn't. If you wanted to say that the two former examples of antitrust violations are illegal, you should have said that instead of making the ludicrous and idiotic claim that monopolies are illegal.
The best part, however, is the way that you...like the other puppet...are unable to admit when you're wrong even though neither of you have been able to provide a single legal authority to support your ridiculous claims.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
#22299847 - 09/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never thought I'd see the day where I longed for the logical wherewithal of qman and starfire.
Does anybody here really think it's coincidence that 3 hardline conservative trolls registered within a week of each other?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#22299945 - 09/27/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anybody here really think it's coincidence that 3 hardline conservative trolls registered within a week of each other? 
So you're liberal logic tells you they're all the same person... And when you're proven wrong, then what?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22299951 - 09/27/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22300048 - 09/27/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
#22300375 - 09/27/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: What would it matter what a judge thought? Judges don't decide such things.
Also, price fixing is illegal. Unreasonably restraining competition is illegal. Having a monopoly isn't. If you wanted to say that the two former examples of antitrust violations are illegal, you should have said that instead of making the ludicrous and idiotic claim that monopolies are illegal.
The best part, however, is the way that you...like the other puppet...are unable to admit when you're wrong even though neither of you have been able to provide a single legal authority to support your ridiculous claims.
So, you're blind. Refusing to look at his posts where he cited specifically, that those things are illegal. You're also blind to the fact that monopolies almost invariably do those things. I get it now. I'm talking to a blind man. It all makes sense now. Carry on.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava] 1
#22302161 - 09/28/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He is just trolling as usual. He always goes against what anyone says, never in favor. He snipes, quibbles, splits hairs, and plays word games. Ignore the troll in hopes he will go away.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22306286 - 09/29/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bennylava said: this thread is about ideas to promote responsibility in the media, I could always just suggest that a constitutional amendment be made. Then it would be constitutional.
oh boy! Is this going to be another epic thread that lasts six months, like the one Falcon did on making up a set of campaign finance reforms that would selectively violate certain people's freedom of speech and still be constitutional?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: starfire_xes]
#22306544 - 09/29/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bennylava said: this thread is about ideas to promote responsibility in the media, I could always just suggest that a constitutional amendment be made. Then it would be constitutional.
oh boy! Is this going to be another epic thread that lasts six months, like the one Falcon did on making up a set of campaign finance reforms that would selectively violate certain people's freedom of speech and still be constitutional? 
Straight up bribe money, against the 4rth amendment. Technically, you can't take campaign contributions. If we're going by the constitution, which we damn well should be.
Also thanks stonehenge, I didn't know the nature of the troll. Thought I was actually arguing with someone valid. I'll go straight to the ignore list and add him. Much appreciated!
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22306998 - 09/29/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What does the 4th amendment have to do with it? Where in the Constitution does it say that candidates can't take campaign contributions?
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