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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22297882 - 09/27/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cite a statute prohibiting monopolies or you're talking out of your ass.

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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22297891 - 09/27/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cite a statute prohibiting monopolies or you're talking out of your ass.

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Antitrust laws exist, but a monopoly isn't illegal unless it was formed and/or maintained by some unlawful practice.








Dude you're going to have to take it up with the Federal Trade Commission, because you're wrong.

FTC.gov: Monopolization Defined
The antitrust laws prohibit conduct by a single firm that unreasonably restrains competition by creating or maintaining monopoly power. Most Section 2 claims involve the conduct of a firm with a leading market position, although Section 2 of the Sherman Act also bans attempts to monopolize and conspiracies to monopolize. As a first step, courts ask if the firm has "monopoly power" in any market. This requires in-depth study of the products sold by the leading firm, and any alternative products consumers may turn to if the firm attempted to raise prices. Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident. Here courts evaluate the anticompetitive effects of the conduct and its procompetitive justifications.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22297902 - 09/27/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Unable to cite a statute?  Why doesn't that surprise me? 

Also, your quoted section doesn't say monopolies are illegal.  To quote YOUR SOURCE:

"Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident" (emphasis mine)

As I said before:

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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22297913 - 09/27/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Unable to cite a statute?  Why doesn't that surprise me? 

Also, your quoted section doesn't say monopolies are illegal.  To quote YOUR SOURCE:

"Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident"

As I said before:

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Antitrust laws exist, but a monopoly isn't illegal unless it was formed and/or maintained by some unlawful practice.








I cited the statute, kiddo. The Sherman Act. Need a few more?


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22297924 - 09/27/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just one will suffice.  So far, you've only confirmed what I said yesterday...monopolies aren't illegal unless it is formed or maintained by some unlawful practice.

Got anything better?  I already know the answer, but some people need to go through the process of an intellectual beatdown in order to learn something.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22297948 - 09/27/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Just one will suffice.  So far, you've only confirmed what I said yesterday...monopolies aren't illegal unless it is formed or maintained by some unlawful practice.

Got anything better?  I already know the answer, but some people need to go through the process of an intellectual beatdown in order to learn something.




So FTC.gov will not suffice for you, well then there's no pleasing some people.

Yes you need to learn something and get back to this thread.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22297981 - 09/27/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

FTC.gov doesn't support the claim that monopolies are illegal.  Nowhere in your quoted portion does it say that monopolies are illegal.  Your quote specifically supports my claim, however.

If you can't admit you're wrong, that's fine.  I don't need your affirmations.  I just want you to grow and learn.  Feel free to claim victory...anyone with half a brain reading this thread already knows that I'm right and you're not. :shrug:

As far as monopolies, they are not only legal, but they are often government created/protected.  For instance, patent law protects a person's right to be the sole manufacturer of a product.  This is a monopoly.  In addition, public utility commissions all over this country give monopolies to utility companies where it would be impractical for multiple companies to compete.  Even the FCC licensing process is a monopoly of sorts allowing only one person to use a particular frequency in a particular area.

So, have you come up with a statute prohibiting monopolies yet?  I didn't think so.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298010 - 09/27/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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FTC.gov doesn't support the claim that monopolies are illegal.  Nowhere in your quoted portion does it say that monopolies are illegal.  Your quote specifically supports my claim, however.

If you can't admit you're wrong, that's fine.  I don't need your affirmations.  I just want you to grow and learn.  Feel free to claim victory...anyone with half a brain reading this thread already knows that I'm right and you're not. :shrug:

As far as monopolies, they are not only legal, but they are often government created/protected.  For instance, patent law protects a person's right to be the sole manufacturer of a product.  This is a monopoly.  In addition, public utility commissions all over this country give monopolies to utility companies where it would be impractical for multiple companies to compete.  Even the FCC licensing process is a monopoly of sorts allowing only one person to use a particular frequency in a particular area.

So, have you come up with a statute prohibiting monopolies yet?  I didn't think so.




I guess you didn't read this part?
"Most Section 2 claims involve the conduct of a firm with a leading market position, although Section 2 of the Sherman Act also bans attempts to monopolize and conspiracies to monopolize."

So your whole goal on shroomery is to "win" quibbles over word definitions to impress your digital friends. Hahaha nice.

Yes some monopolies are legal and some are illegal. What's your point again?


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298088 - 09/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Next Enlil will give us a lesson on how the libnut media is allowed to form a cartel.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298119 - 09/27/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes some monopolies are legal



See, even you can learn something.  I'm proud of you, kid.
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What's your point again?



My point, which you clearly missed, is that Bennylava's suggestion that the government prohibit the ownership of more than one media outlet by a person wouldn't work because it'd be unconstitutional.  I know you're in favor of the government controlling every facet of business and personal conduct, but the Constitution has limits.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298131 - 09/27/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes some monopolies are legal and some are illegal. What's your point again?



See, even you can learn something.  I'm proud of you, kid.

My point, which you clearly missed, is that Bennylava's suggestion that the government prohibit the ownership of more than one media outlet by a person wouldn't work because it'd be unconstitutional.  I know you're in favor of the government controlling every facet of business and personal conduct, but the Constitution has limits.




I'm glad you can attempt to insult people as a mod, kiddo.

I never said all monopolies are illegal. If I did then post it.

Who's in favor of more gov' control? You are, without the government, you wouldn't have food on the table.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298145 - 09/27/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, you butted into a conversation wherein someone else said that monopolies are illegal, and you (unsuccessfully) tried to prove his claim. 

I'm just glad to see that you can learn, though.  This is a huge step up from the capacities you've shown previously.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298170 - 09/27/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No, you butted into a conversation wherein someone else said that monopolies are illegal, and you tried to prove his claim. 

I'm just glad to see that you can learn, though.  This is a huge step up from the capacities you've shown previously.




Yes some monopolies are illegal-how does that disprove his claim? Think hard now.

Haha I learned you're a disinformation shill. See how you couldn't deny that more government control means more money in your bank account?

It's interesting that you people have worked so long at this disinformation game that you're now moderating the same forums you attack.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298183 - 09/27/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ah...the old "shill" move...nice one.

At least I can now dismiss you as a typical :tinfoil: type.

Saying "monopolies are illegal" isn't the same as saying "some monopolies are illegal".  If I said "guns are illegal", that'd be a false claim.  If I said, "some guns are illegal" that would be a true claim.

See the difference?  Think hard now.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298189 - 09/27/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah...the old "shill" move...nice one.

At least I can now dismiss you as a typical :tinfoil: type.




I noticed how you didn't say anything about this line:

See how you couldn't deny that more government control means more money in your bank account?


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298195 - 09/27/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah...the old "shill" move...nice one.

At least I can now dismiss you as a typical :tinfoil: type.




I noticed how you didn't say anything about this line:

See how you couldn't deny that more government control means more money in your bank account?




Enlil exposed, again.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298202 - 09/27/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I make my living primarily by suing the government.  More government misconduct means more money in my bank account.  More government control means that less conduct by the government constitutes misconduct.  See where this is going?


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298210 - 09/27/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I make my living primarily by suing the government.  More government misconduct means more money in my bank account.  More government control means that less conduct by the government constitutes misconduct.  See where this is going?




Sure you do. Any recent specifics? LOL


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22298218 - 09/27/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, bro.  I'm going to reveal my identity on a drug site in order to appease a :tinfoil: puppet.


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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
    #22298242 - 09/27/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, bro.  I'm going to reveal my identity on a drug site in order to appease a :tinfoil: puppet.




I'm not going to take your word for it that "I make my living primarily by suing the government."

You most likely make your living by representing the masses that have been arrested via bullshit laws. More government bullshit laws, the more money in your bank account.


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