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How to promote responsibility in the media? 1
#22291548 - 09/26/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was looking back through some old Timothy Leary interviews from the early 80's. Watching them on youtube. And I noticed, that even in that time, the media is basically just completely unhinged. I guess they have been for a long time now. In the U.S at least, and I'm assuming throughout much of the rest of the world. They basically just say and do whatever they damn well please, in the name of 'freedom of the press'. The U.S may have the constitution making this possible, but its a highly regarded ideal in many other countries as well.
I mean its really disgusting, and its pretty much the reason I just don't participate in the media at all. I actually use forums (not unlike this one) to get my news, because there's nearly always someone who knows more of the story, and points out how the media is either wrong, or lying once again.
Its like they simply don't care. They don't give a rip what the consequences of their actions are. Just look at how they treat any form or fashion of racial tension. Instead of blaming individual criminals, they focus on how that person must have been a victim of racism, just because they were of a particular race when they were finally busted and then proceeded to act in a manner which got them killed. Instead of just doing the smart thing and going to jail and hiring a lawyer. Another thing they love to do is ruin someone's life completely, and not even mention it when it turns out they were completely innocent. Shit like that. They've got a whole host of very bad habits (for society) like the aforementioned two.
It doesn't matter the outlet, journalism is not only dead, its now so far gone that even its tombstone is no longer standing due to the natural forces of gradual erosion. That's how long gone, journalism is. Impartial journalism. Where they really do just report, and let you decide. Without any opinion or bias of any kind. That's dust in the wind.
I'm convinced that they're nothing but evil propaganda slingers now. And that's it, nothing more. Oh yeah, they'll tell you about traffic jams, and the weather. But beyond that, I can't find a reason why they should still exist. They're trash, and their ratings actually reflect that. Probably why they need to receive money from the government, so they can stay afloat. Which is also yet another reason they're completely and utterly compromised.
So, all that said, I think that just about everyone realizes there is a problem. But how do you force them to be responsible, once again? Like they used to be, in days gone by? How do you give them something to fear, without also trampling on "freedom of the press"? I think they need a few new rules, but what should they be?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22291571 - 09/26/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All the big networks are frauds, only trust alternative media sources (IE. Internet)
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22291614 - 09/26/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah but the point is, what new rules should they have? They influence a lot of people that would otherwise not be such morons.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22291626 - 09/26/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good point, hard to do with the 1st Amendment.
My solution would be education, but apparently the sheeple won't give up the socialist education they have now.
Edited by burgerbrain (09/26/15 02:17 AM)
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22292613 - 09/26/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Good point, hard to do with the 1st Amendment.
My solution would be education, but apparently the sheeple won't give up the socialist education they have now.
What?
Are you saying that it's public education or that our education system teaches socialism?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22293143 - 09/26/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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burgerbrain said: Good point, hard to do with the 1st Amendment.
My solution would be education, but apparently the sheeple won't give up the socialist education they have now.
What?
Are you saying that it's public education or that our education system teaches socialism?
Which one of those options is false and why?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22294191 - 09/26/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Already been explained in the other thread.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22294205 - 09/26/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Already been explained in the other thread.
Yes I understand that you like to call the Socialist School system "just another government service"
Do you know what the word "Semantics" means?
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22294367 - 09/26/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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>I'm convinced that they're nothing but evil propaganda slingers now
You got it. Plus they are paid to promote certain points of view and certain industries and people. Goebels would be proud to see his work carried out like this.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294543 - 09/26/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I've got 2 new rules for 'em, that wouldn't hamper their freedom.
1. If you run something negative about someone, and it turns out they're innocent or found not guilty, or otherwise cleared of blame, you have to run a report on that, in the same time slot, for the same length of time.
2. No consolidation of the media. Currently there are but a mere 6 main major media outlets, that control most of the media. They used to be in the hundreds. There are illegal monopolies that need to be broken up. So my new rule would be, that no media outlet in existence, can be in any way connected to another. No person, or group, can control more than 1 media outlet. I think this is a big one. It would throw them all into huge disarray, and they'd make each other look a hell of a lot more stupid with their reports. You'd have one reporting one thing, and another saying the opposite, in some cases. This would go a long way towards making them get their story straight. So clearchannel would be dead, along with a whole lot of others. Most media outlets would return to being mom and pop joints. Run by the little guy.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: burgerbrain]
#22294595 - 09/26/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said:
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The Ecstatic said: Already been explained in the other thread.
Yes I understand that you like to call the Socialist School system "just another government service"
Do you know what the word "Semantics" means?
LOL
That was Enlil. You're confused again.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22294637 - 09/26/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bennylava said: Well I've got 2 new rules for 'em, that wouldn't hamper their freedom.
1. If you run something negative about someone, and it turns out they're innocent or found not guilty, or otherwise cleared of blame, you have to run a report on that, in the same time slot, for the same length of time.
Forcing people to speak is as repugnant to the 1st amendment as prohibiting them from speakingQuote:
2. No consolidation of the media. Currently there are but a mere 6 main major media outlets, that control most of the media. They used to be in the hundreds. There are illegal monopolies that need to be broken up. So my new rule would be, that no media outlet in existence, can be in any way connected to another. No person, or group, can control more than 1 media outlet. I think this is a big one. It would throw them all into huge disarray, and they'd make each other look a hell of a lot more stupid with their reports. You'd have one reporting one thing, and another saying the opposite, in some cases. This would go a long way towards making them get their story straight. So clearchannel would be dead, along with a whole lot of others. Most media outlets would return to being mom and pop joints. Run by the little guy.
It would be hard to do this without running afoul of the Constitution. Antitrust laws can be used to limit this somewhat, but your proposed solution would certainly be unconstitutional.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22294912 - 09/26/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And Rupert Murdoch needs to go!
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil] 1
#22295333 - 09/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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bennylava said: Well I've got 2 new rules for 'em, that wouldn't hamper their freedom.
1. If you run something negative about someone, and it turns out they're innocent or found not guilty, or otherwise cleared of blame, you have to run a report on that, in the same time slot, for the same length of time.
Forcing people to speak is as repugnant to the 1st amendment as prohibiting them from speakingQuote:
2. No consolidation of the media. Currently there are but a mere 6 main major media outlets, that control most of the media. They used to be in the hundreds. There are illegal monopolies that need to be broken up. So my new rule would be, that no media outlet in existence, can be in any way connected to another. No person, or group, can control more than 1 media outlet. I think this is a big one. It would throw them all into huge disarray, and they'd make each other look a hell of a lot more stupid with their reports. You'd have one reporting one thing, and another saying the opposite, in some cases. This would go a long way towards making them get their story straight. So clearchannel would be dead, along with a whole lot of others. Most media outlets would return to being mom and pop joints. Run by the little guy.
It would be hard to do this without running afoul of the Constitution. Antitrust laws can be used to limit this somewhat, but your proposed solution would certainly be unconstitutional.
Well monopolies are illegal now, so technically if they wanted them broken up, they could. Just look at how much of the media is owned by disney. The alternative to not making them be responsible, is having them be a big thorn in your side. At this point they aren't "the press" that the constitution was protecting. I believe they were protecting actual journalism, and not these megacorps. So there is that.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22296257 - 09/26/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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6 companies does not a monopoly make, and if you want the government deciding what does and doesn't qualify as the press for 1st amendment purposes, then why have a 1st amendment at all?
Also, monopolies aren't illegal.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil] 1
#22296748 - 09/27/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, they are. They've been broken up numerous times in the past. Look what happened to microsoft, as a recent example.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22296754 - 09/27/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for your well-supported opinion, counselor, but unless you can cite a statute prohibiting monopolies, I'm going to have to call bullshit on your claim.
Antitrust laws exist, but a monopoly isn't illegal unless it was formed and/or maintained by some unlawful practice.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil] 1
#22296901 - 09/27/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again, see microsoft. Scroll down and see how illegal monopolies are formed. And if you don't think that runs rampant, then I really have no business arguing with you.
http://www.girardgibbs.com/antitrust-monopoly/
It might not be the wording you wanted for some reason, but these still had a "monopoly" and were broken up. By law.
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/games/off-site/youarehere/pages/pdf/FTC-Competition_Antitrust-Laws.pdf
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: bennylava]
#22297497 - 09/27/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, you really don't have any business arguing with me. Monopolies aren't illegal, and many exist naturally and by operation of law.
The bottom line here is that your idea would be unconstitutional.
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Re: How to promote responsibility in the media? [Re: Enlil]
#22297843 - 09/27/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL it's pretty bad when a laymen knows more than some shitty "attorney"
"Monopolies aren't illegal"-Enlil
Freedictionary.com: U.S. law generally views monopolies as harmful because they obstruct the channels of free competition that determine the price and quality of products and services that are offered to the public. The owners of a monopoly have the power, as a group, to set prices, to exclude competitors, and to control the market in the relevant geographic area. U.S. antitrust laws prohibit monopolies and any other practices that unduly restrain competitive trade. These laws are based on the belief that equality of opportunity in the marketplace and the free interactions of competitive forces result in the best allocation of the economic resources of the nation. Moreover, it is assumed that competition enhances material progress in production and technology while preserving democratic, political, and social institutions.
FTC.gov: Monopolization Defined The antitrust laws prohibit conduct by a single firm that unreasonably restrains competition by creating or maintaining monopoly power. Most Section 2 claims involve the conduct of a firm with a leading market position, although Section 2 of the Sherman Act also bans attempts to monopolize and conspiracies to monopolize. As a first step, courts ask if the firm has "monopoly power" in any market. This requires in-depth study of the products sold by the leading firm, and any alternative products consumers may turn to if the firm attempted to raise prices. Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident. Here courts evaluate the anticompetitive effects of the conduct and its procompetitive justifications.
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