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hamloaf
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The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. 1
#22290008 - 09/25/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stuff you will need to get started.
An 18 gallon Sterilite plastic storage tote. 2 - 3 packs of EcoEarth brand lizard substrate coco coir. 4 cubic foot bag of medium coarse vermiculite. A large stove or propane burner. 32 quart saucepan. A gallon pitcher. Some rubber gloves or a large mixing spoon. 50 quart, clear Sterilite plastic storage tote modified into a monotub fruiting chamber. Polyfil. Marker. 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol.
Storage tote.

Place 6 bricks into the tote.

Pour 3 gallons of medium coarse vermiculite.

Bring water to a boil.

Pour 6 gallons of boiling water into storage tote.
This is how it looks full of boiling water.

Cap tote and let contents cool to room temperature.

Here is a look at the coir and verm after having cooled to room temps.

Grab a pair of gloves or a large mixing spoon and start mixing. Coir is now ready to be spawned to.

If doing coir by it's self for the bulk substrate and you would like to add gypsum place a half gallon of gypsum into the materials between steps 3-4.
I like to add pasteurized horse/vermiculite/gypsum at 50% to my coir/verm pasteurized like this.

Mix that shit up!

Add 2 quarts of manure and 2 quarts of coir to monotub.

Add 2 quarts of fully colonized grain spawn.

Thoroughly mix the spawn into the bulk substrate materials evenly.

Spread out the materials into a smooth and even surface.

Cover the substrate with a 1/4 inch pseudo-casing layer of coir, manure, and or a mix of coir and manure.

Stuff polyfil into holes very tightly.

Cap monotub.

Label and date.

Place tub(s) in a cool, clean area for spawn run (colonization of the bulk substrate by mushroom mycelium).
Allow for mushroom mycelium to fully colonize the bulk substrate.

Once bulk substrate is fully colonized introduce tub into fruiting conditions.

Here goes a few links responsible for the way I do coir, which, as a result, inspired this tek. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9289857#9289857 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13271608#13271608
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mushpunx
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: hamloaf]
#22290038 - 09/25/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bookmark! Nice write up Ham
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Ishida
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: mushpunx]
#22290153 - 09/25/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome write up!! I will defiantly be putting this tek to thorough usage.
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Ishida]
#22290249 - 09/25/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hamloaf
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: cronicr]
#22292423 - 09/26/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks. This tek was developed out of sheer need to do more than a single brick of coir at a time. I usually put all the gypsum required for the amount of materials being used in the manure.
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: hamloaf]
#22293364 - 09/26/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a couple of questions: Don't you think it's necessary to open up the tub 30-60 minutes after pouring the boiling water in? I've read a lot of coir teks that do this to make sure all parts of the mix get properly sterilized.
And I see you stuffed the holes during the spawn run. What benefits does this have compared to the traditional way of taping up the holes during colonization?
And did you just remove all the polyfill after full colonization? I'm a little confused, wouldn't that dry out the surface quickly, I mean I know FAE is a major pinning trigger but that seems excessive. Hmmm...I guess the psedo casing layer you applied helped to keep the surface from drying out and your hole placement was high enough that it wouldn't dry out the surface either. Kinda answered my own question there 
Interesting, I may have to make my monos like that and see how my results come out. Cool write up tho!
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22293514 - 09/26/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir doesn't need heat treatment to ward off molds, it just makes it easier for thr myc to break it down. So if there are a couple dry spots that don't get to temp it won't really hurt anything.
Nice writeup loaf. Going big
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22293585 - 09/26/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very similar to what i do. You have the same grey tote i do.
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: eatyualive]
#22293599 - 09/26/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Coir doesn't need heat treatment to ward off molds, it just makes it easier for thr myc to break it down. So if there are a couple dry spots that don't get to temp it won't really hurt anything.
Cool, thanks!
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22293617 - 09/26/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i likes the poo poo too too
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: blindingleaf]
#22293659 - 09/26/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22293845 - 09/26/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22293975 - 09/26/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Coir doesn't need heat treatment to ward off molds, it just makes it easier for thr myc to break it down. So if there are a couple dry spots that don't get to temp it won't really hurt anything.
Nice writeup loaf. Going big 
This is really good to know, I always wondered about this.. it seems no matter how well I mix it theres a couple little pieces that stay bone dry
At the hydroponic store in my neighborhood there are these big blocks of coir for 12$ that are pretty awesome. I mix them up basically the same way you write up in your tek
Except I had to start using trash cans to mix them in, the totes are too small. I think the bricks are called "Hydrotek" I dunno if you can find them online
But yea the only problem I had with it was I wasnt sure if the boiling water was hitting every spot, if it would leave spots not treated by heat or whatnot. Its good to clear that up
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Edited by mushpunx (09/26/15 02:49 PM)
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: mushpunx]
#22294387 - 09/26/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice writeup Ham!!! I've been doing my Coir in a cooler lately, I might give this a try. Way to go big bro!
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: Darkhome]
#22295663 - 09/26/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How many tubs does this yield or is it just the one?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
#22295696 - 09/26/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This would be enough for 6 66 quart monos or more depending on how thick a sub you are aiming for.
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hamloaf
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
#22295819 - 09/26/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilosoulful said: I have a couple of questions: Don't you think it's necessary to open up the tub 30-60 minutes after pouring the boiling water in? I've read a lot of coir teks that do this to make sure all parts of the mix get properly sterilized.
And I see you stuffed the holes during the spawn run. What benefits does this have compared to the traditional way of taping up the holes during colonization?
And did you just remove all the polyfill after full colonization? I'm a little confused, wouldn't that dry out the surface quickly, I mean I know FAE is a major pinning trigger but that seems excessive. Hmmm...I guess the psedo casing layer you applied helped to keep the surface from drying out and your hole placement was high enough that it wouldn't dry out the surface either. Kinda answered my own question there 
Interesting, I may have to make my monos like that and see how my results come out. Cool write up tho! 
Nah, I do not see opening the tote every 30-60 minutes to let air in after pouring the hot water in as necessary. I'v heard of folks mixing the coir up up to after 60 minutes after the boiling water was poured. I don't do that though.
I feel that stuffing the holes for spawn run gives the substrate better gas exchange thus thwarting anaerobic environments by not letting the CO2 levels get too high.
I get away with entirely removing the polyfil for fruiting due to fruiting the tubs in a humidity controlled environment.
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Pastywhyte said: Coir doesn't need heat treatment to ward off molds, it just makes it easier for thr myc to break it down. So if there are a couple dry spots that don't get to temp it won't really hurt anything.
Cool, thanks! 
I think spots that remain dehydrated during the heated water treatment of coir is just that. Spots of the brick that miss getting hydrated. I think those dry spots still get heat treated.
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DaHamentashenkid said: How many tubs does this yield or is it just the one?
Good question. Outcome is going to depend on how much substrate you are using per tub so results will vary. With the manure mixed in at 50%, I get about 30 tubs at 2 quarts of coir per tub, per full tote of coir. That includes with making the pseudo-casing layer out of exclusively coir.
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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: hamloaf]
#22296066 - 09/26/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir
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Psilosoulful

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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: azur]
#22296110 - 09/26/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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azur said: Coir 
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Psilosoulful

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Re: The Tote Tek - A Way To Prepare Coco Coir For Running Spawn. [Re: hamloaf]
#22296143 - 09/26/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
hamloaf said:
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Psilosoulful said: I have a couple of questions: Don't you think it's necessary to open up the tub 30-60 minutes after pouring the boiling water in? I've read a lot of coir teks that do this to make sure all parts of the mix get properly sterilized.
And I see you stuffed the holes during the spawn run. What benefits does this have compared to the traditional way of taping up the holes during colonization?
And did you just remove all the polyfill after full colonization? I'm a little confused, wouldn't that dry out the surface quickly, I mean I know FAE is a major pinning trigger but that seems excessive. Hmmm...I guess the psedo casing layer you applied helped to keep the surface from drying out and your hole placement was high enough that it wouldn't dry out the surface either. Kinda answered my own question there 
Interesting, I may have to make my monos like that and see how my results come out. Cool write up tho! 
Nah, I do not see opening the tote every 30-60 minutes to let air in after pouring the hot water in as necessary. I'v heard of folks mixing the coir up up to after 60 minutes after the boiling water was poured. I don't do that though.
I feel that stuffing the holes for spawn run gives the substrate better gas exchange thus thwarting anaerobic environments by not letting the CO2 levels get too high.
I get away with entirely removing the polyfil for fruiting due to fruiting the tubs in a humidity controlled environment.
Cool, thanks for the info! I'll have to try making my monos like that next time. I'll stuff the top and bottom holes very tightly with polyfill, then once fruiting is introduced, I'll loosen the top holes and dial it in via Frank's method.
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