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Life after jars..what is best next step?
    #22289841 - 09/25/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

After my work is done with the Brf jars... What would be the next best Tek? Should I move on after only doing pf Tek once or do it again? I still have 2 syringes left B+ and P.envy. I've read envy doesnt do well on Brf cakes. There's alot of teks out there and I don't want to read all about them and success and fails like I did with of Tek and then somehow mess up somewhere. Just wana take it one Tek at a time.. Baha.. One Tek(step) at a time lol. I didn't know if I shld try a tub, bags, which substrate, casings, etc. I would like to try something other than jars. I am still a newbish at this so I don't wana have a failed grow along the way because I took on something to advanced but would be interested in expanding my knowledge on a next step tek. Any advice or recommendations would be totally groovy!


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22289856 - 09/25/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Monotub.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22289873 - 09/25/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

grain. WBS, rye, grass seed, whichever.

check out the links in my sig

agar if you really want to step it up


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22289878 - 09/25/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Still gonna be jars, just bigger jars.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22289884 - 09/25/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im making the big step right there with ya pal. Moving up to grain jars atm.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22289894 - 09/25/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would say agar is more important than making the jump to monotubs.  Though monotubs will seem real easy once you have the hang of agar.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22289915 - 09/25/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't have to be an either/or deal.  I recently inoculated a second round of pftek jars from my own spore print, crumbled and cased some of my cakes is a small tub to put in my fruiting chamber, inoculated 12 pints of wbs (my PC isn't big enough for quarts), bought supplies for a couple monotubs, and have agar supplies on the way, so that I can do some shiitake cloning.

As soon as I can get hold of a PC that will do quart jars, I'm probably going to start some galindoi sclerotia as well.

Once you have sterile techniques down, there are a gazillion ways to go, just have to pick one. (Or as in my case, be fascinated enough to pick them all)

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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22289930 - 09/25/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say agar is more important than making the jump to monotubs.  Though monotubs will seem real easy once you have the hang of agar.




Agar isn't necessary for the process of grains and monotubs, though.  It just makes things faster.

It's not the only way to speed the process up either.  I'm looking at agar more for cloning and isolating, but there are many applications for all of the techniques involved, keeping it interesting is the most important thing IMO.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22289971 - 09/25/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say agar is more important than making the jump to monotubs.  Though monotubs will seem real easy once you have the hang of agar.




Agar isn't necessary for the process of grains and monotubs, though.  It just makes things faster.

It's not the only way to speed the process up either.  I'm looking at agar more for cloning and isolating, but there are many applications for all of the techniques involved, keeping it interesting is the most important thing IMO.



Ummmmm...agar is not necessary to get fruits... but if you want to get the full potential out of your grows while having the least amount of contaminations then agar is obviously the next step...


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22289992 - 09/25/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Agar agar agar agar agar agar! Then rye grain and monotub with coir/verm tek.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: vagblast]
    #22290011 - 09/25/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh jeez. Not another agar debate.

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You had fine success. This is from a syringe i had the luck of getting.



This particular syringe in lc would have been shit. Luckily I used agar, and was able to salvage it. As seen by me cutting it.

Agar is just as easy to make as LC, and it's much safer. If it's clean spores, great! :thumbup: but I like getting success every time.



That's what I have to say about LC's. I'd say about 50% of the syringes I've gotten had some sort of contamination in them. Maybe I'm just weird, but I totally advocate agar to noobs. It's no harder to do than jello or LC's, and is the best way to improve sterile procedures in your still air box.



Nothing else will compare if you want to develop techniques, and not pull your hairs out over contams.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22290675 - 09/25/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow.. I just checked and it didnt post like anything I said.. Cut it real short some how... Weird


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290808 - 09/25/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Like you guys keep saying agar and coir and I have no clue what they are really. I've seen them mentioned in alot of posts vut didnt go deep into it and lose focus of my mission. I thought the crumbling of cakes seemed interesting and Brf jars are pretty low maintenance. Then there's straw,rye berries,popcorn or something, poo, so I really have no clue what goes with what. The bags seemed interesting. Just inoculate and then fruit in tub? Itll be a while before I move on cuz I still have 6 jars to birth when they finally start pinning. I just like to educate myself ahead of time. I thought I had pf Tek down from reading it so much but when it actually came to some things I was like o shit.. Did I do this right? I studied alot before I finally placed the order for of Tek. I almost Just started with a bag instead. So just basically feeling everyone's opinion out if they offer it :smile:


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290846 - 09/25/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290872 - 09/25/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Btw, turns out crumbling cakes is a huge pain in the ass.  Might be interesting to try once, but I can't imagine I'll do it more than the one time, no matter what the results are.  It can give you experience in casing though, which is why I did it. :smile:

I also have 4 jars in my PC right now to give violet's invitro tek (sticky link at the top of this forum) a try too, so I'm kinda all over the place.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22290885 - 09/25/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And one of those links in the post in the noob forum is how frank gets shit done, the first one of which is a 12 step process to monotubs.  Going to be giving that one a shot as soon as I have enough grains colonized.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290898 - 09/25/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you feel like the BRF jars are a bit difficult then maybe spend some time getting good with them try doing more of them at once and perfecting the sterile technique. Trust me theres always room to improve.

In no time you and I both will be doing grain to grain transfers with jars inoc'd with agar plates. :thumbup:

Main thing is just dont give up and as always be safe.

Having a lot of money to play around with would help those interested in this hobby. I have to save up just to buy tubs for growing and I also need a new pressure cooker. This hobby def takes cash every now and then.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Sivarted]
    #22290905 - 09/25/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome thanks a bunch. Gives me shit to read while my insomnia continues to rule my life lol.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290933 - 09/25/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Brf jars aren't hard,its been rather easy actually. It's been a pain dealing with sgfc and all the trials and tribulations that go with that. I birthed the first 6 before they pinned cuz of reading to much conflicting information and they have been in chamber about a week or so abd just now getting pins. It's like having a newborn all over again... Like nope I can't go fishing I gotta mist and fan every 3-4 hrs cuz I birthed em to early so they are gona take longer to pin and need my help to keep em alive and well LMAO. But I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end when I get to enjoy my first journey. Has anyone ever used the Excalibur dehydrator?


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22290946 - 09/25/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Excalibur is pricy, but you're paying for quality. Personally I'd just get the cheapest one you can get :lol: put it on max and wait 24 hours


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22291355 - 09/26/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I found an Excalibur 4 tray for 72$ which was like 130$ new then 99$ now 72$.i just didn't know how fast the other styles dried em.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Imthepoop]
    #22291407 - 09/26/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just ebay an older-school dehydrator.  I got a large 5-tray waring for $25 shipped.  Been great.  Top mounted fan is irrelevant if not detrimental given that these won't be any water dripping off the mushrooms.

As for OP, I'd just covert those half-pints by placing a piece of postal tyvek over the perforated lid.  You can mark where a hole is under the tyvek and make silicon injection ports easily by placing a small blob on the tyvek if you aren't yet comfortable opening the jars in the SAB and working with agar.

Make V-tek (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19167498/fpart/1/vc/1) cased straight grains in there.  That will give you a chance to nail your grain prep on small quantities and use a casing layer before you YOLO it with with 6 quarts.  Any grain will work, I hear rye is easy.

PC those glass half-pint jars 60-70 minutes.


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Re: Life after jars..what is best next step? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22292044 - 09/26/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

myco bags, spawning to bulk. every one loves jars but nothing beats a 5lb spawn bag.


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