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Popemania
    #22289174 - 09/25/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't get it.


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Organizational history of suppressing science - check

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Leader of a super rich organization fleecing money from the poor - check

Canonized Father Junipero Serra who may have been responsible for the death of 60,000 + Native Americans - check

No proven contact with, or approval by, The Divine - check

Rides in the ugly PopeMobile - check


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22289195 - 09/25/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't get it either. I'm sure he's a really nice guy though.


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22289384 - 09/25/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you notice his bling bling baller chain?


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22289475 - 09/25/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wants to flood historically Christian countries with Muslims, check.

What's not to like?


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Re: Popemania [Re: Rahz]
    #22289551 - 09/25/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Feeds Jews to the Nazis then apologizes several generations later.


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    #22289617 - 09/25/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Popemania [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22289766 - 09/25/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Amen.


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22289935 - 09/25/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Leader of the largest pedophile ring in history - check




The rates of sex abuse on children in the Catholic church are and have been comparable to the rates in protestant churches and secular schools. The scandal came about because of how poorly it was handled but Pope Frances as well as the last couple of popes have worked to ensure nothing like that will ever happen again. True it was a horrendous thing, but what about the vast majority of priests that dont abuse children? SOmething like 2 or 3 of the many thousands of preists in the USA were credibly accused of sex abuse last year. Of course one is too many but I dont think its fair to paint all the non abusing priests out there as child molestors.


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So? The church has actually done a lot of good for science.

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The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject. Historically, the Church has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. Historians of science such as Pierre Duhem credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon as the founders of modern science.[1] Duhem concluded that "the mechanics and physics of which modern times are justifiably proud to proceed, by an uninterrupted series of scarcely perceptible improvements, from doctrines professed in the heart of the medieval schools."[2] Yet, the conflict thesis and other critiques emphasize historical or contemporary conflict between the Catholic Church and science, citing in particular the trial of Galileo in evidence. For its part, the Catholic Church teaches that the Christian faith and science are complementary.




Yes its true that the church made many mistakes, John Paul II acknowledged mistakes were made with Galileo for instance. But I dont see why that means people shouldn't be excited to see the Pope. You see, Church has the power to uplift people, to bring out strong and deep emotions in people, even touching on the sacred, as well as to give people teachings that really can change peoples lives in major positive ways. I myself for example, have gained tremendous insights from studying the teachings of Christ Jesus an well as the writings left behind by such great Catholic saints as St. Teresa of Avila and St. John O' the Cross.

So this is why people are excited, because they are focusing on the positive energy that the pope is bringing here and now, what is happening now rather than blaming Pope Francis for some ancient controversy or church scandal.

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Organizational history of mass murder - check




Again, so what? Many governments have organizational histories of Mass murder, slavory, genocide, etc and yet people are still excited to get to see the president. You have to remember that this planet earth and it appears weve had quite a violent history on this planet. Name me one very large organization that has existed since the middle ages and doesn't have a history of mass murder. Its par the course as far as I am concerned.

But people are always excited to see the world's leaders and Pope Frances is in a very powerful position of leadrship

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It seems like you like to focus only on the negative. Again, I will point to the US government. If you made a list of all the negative things that US government has done, you would probably run out of room on the page and yet people still will show up to see Obama. Pope Frances has done a lot of things to help the poor. In fact, many many catholic churches, parisheners, monks, priests, etc have done things to help the poor.

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Canonized Father Junipero Serra who may have been responsible for the death of 60,000 + Native Americans - check




I havent researched this guy so I cant comment but obviously they wouldnt have canonized him if there wasn't a halfway decent reason. Not saying they couldnt have made a mistake but you need to post more information if you feel it was a serious error.

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No proven contact with, or approval by, The Divine - check




Oh good point, next time I am excited to see a spiritual leader I will make sure I remember to ask him to show me proof of his contact with the Divine. Whats important isn't proof but the content of what he has to say and do. I dont know much about this Pope, hes still pretty new but he has done and said some things that made a lot of people in the church excited and thats one of the reasons there is such pope mania.

He even said something which appealed to me when he spoke about Thomas Murton in front of congress. Thomas Murton was a Trappist monk who also had a great interest in eastern religion (just like me, aside from the factt that Im not a trappist monk). He would invite Buddhist teachers to his monastery. This made him a controversial figure to some of the more conservative areas of the Catholic Church.

This also excited a lot of people because it shows he is open to dialogue with other traditions. He also encouraged the american bishops to engage with more people regardless of their religion.

I think this sort of thing is important because I believe that now in 2015 humanity is at a time in the course of its evolution where it needs to move beyond the old models of religion. For too long too many people have been confusing the means (all the various religious practices and rituals and even the ideas and beliefs) with the end, which is love of God and neigbor.

In the words of Brother Laurence (penned over 400 yers ago) "far too many people remain addicted to certain prayes and penances which are the means while they neglect the love of of which is the end and that is why we see so little solid viture".

It appears to me that Pope Frances is moving the Church in a good direction, and when you consider how much power the church still has and how many catholics there are, that could be considered a somewhat important and historic thning, just like when Pope John the 23rd did something simular in the 60s when he called the second Vatican councel.

So, that is why people are excited and I don't really see anything wrong with it aside from the fact I am


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Re: Popemania [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22290066 - 09/25/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I havent researched this guy so I cant comment but obviously they wouldnt have canonized him if there wasn't a halfway decent reason




He was canonized for founding 9 missions in California thus expanding the Church's sphere of influence and making them more $$$.

There was nothing remotely saintly or Christ-like about this man based on historical records.


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22290171 - 09/25/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I watched the pope's live visit with Obama.  It was something to do while I worked out at the gym I guess :shrug: It was sort of fun to see the whole display.  My favorite part was analyzing the army band's musical performances. 

Something some catholics told me a few years ago really made me stop caring about the pope much at all.  They said that non-catholics (like me) seem to be so interested in every little thing the pope does or says.  At that time it just hit me that wtf to do I care about the pope if catholics don't give a damn.  He seems like a cool enough dude, I don't think he's going to use his power to fuck shit up.  He seems to be bringing a vibe of humility to the pontiff.  But I haven't run into anyone who is actually excited about the pope's visit.

That's a funny video, I love Sara Silverman 

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    #22290722 - 09/25/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

imo he is attempting to modernize the church and that in and of itself is worth praise, whether or not it is completely self serving remains to be proven.


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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22290764 - 09/25/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't get it.


Funny clothes & hat - check

Leader of the largest pedophile ring in history - check

Organizational history of suppressing science - check

Organizational history of mass murder - check

Leader of a super rich organization fleecing money from the poor - check

Canonized Father Junipero Serra who may have been responsible for the death of 60,000 + Native Americans - check

No proven contact with, or approval by, The Divine - check

Rides in the ugly PopeMobile - check





This is how scared everyone is to be alive.  :shocked2:
Dont give a fuq just tell me I live forever and you can wear all the silly hats and touch all our children


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Re: Popemania [Re: Tropism]
    #22291372 - 09/26/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Popemania [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22291469 - 09/26/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude I would never.


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Re: Popemania [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22291961 - 09/26/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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imo he is attempting to modernize the church and that in and of itself is worth praise, whether or not it is completely self serving remains to be proven.




If by "modernizing", you mean he's become a complete puppet for the UN and their "climate change" agenda, and their "sustainable development" stack and pack plans for humans, and their "biodiversity project".  He stood there and read the UN script, verbatim.

Some of you folks need to start doing a little homework on this before you end up in the stack and pack so that a fish can perhaps live.


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Re: Popemania [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22292443 - 09/26/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, I don't think puppetry, this is as bizarre as when Bush called for a stop to the use of steroids in professional sports in a fucking State of the Union speech. This is a personal quirk and pushing the papacy into the realm of the absurd, that it parallels UN goals mabye synchronicity, but probably calculated by Francis.


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Re: Popemania [Re: falcon]
    #22292774 - 09/26/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoyed that post Peyote Road that was insightful. Pope Francis does seem quite promising and the fact that he is open to dialogue with other religions is an important point. He seems to understand the problem with dogma. Personally  I was touched by this message he gave about drug use,

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“ Ladies and Gentlemen,

….I express my appreciation for your work in combating this most serious and complex problem of our time……It is my hope that these days in Rome will prove profitable for your future efforts. In particular, I trust that you will accomplish the goals which you have set for yourselves: a more effective coordination of anti-narcotics policies, better sharing of relevant information and the development of an operative strategy aimed at fighting the drug trade.

The scourge of drug use continues to spread inexorably, fed by a deplorable commerce which transcends national and continental borders. As a result, the lives of more and more young people and adolescents are in danger. Faced with this reality, I can only manifest my grief and concern.

Let me state this in the clearest terms possible: the problem of drug use is not solved with drugs! Drug addiction is an evil, and with evil there can be no yielding or compromise. To think that harm can be reduced by permitting drug addicts to use narcotics in no way resolves the problem. Attempts, however limited, to legalize so-called “recreational drugs”, are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects. Substitute drugs are not an adequate therapy but rather a veiled means of surrendering to the phenomenon. Here I would reaffirm what I have stated on another occasion: No to every type of drug use. It is as simple as that. No to any kind of drug use (cf. General Audience, 7 May 2014). But to say this “no”, one has to say “yes” to life, “yes” to love, “yes” to others, “yes” to education, “yes” to greater job opportunities. If we say “yes” to all these things, there will be no room for illicit drugs, for alcohol abuse, for other forms of addiction.

The Church, in fidelity to Jesus’ command to go out to all those places where people suffer, thirst, hunger and are imprisoned (cf. Mt 25:31-46), does not abandon those who have fallen into the trap of drug addiction, but goes out to meet them with creative love. She takes them by the hand, thanks to the efforts of countless workers and volunteers, and helps them to rediscover their dignity and to revive those inner strengths, those personal talents, which drug use had buried but can never obliterate, since every man and woman is created in the image and likeness of God (cf. Gen 1:26).

The example of all those young people who are striving to overcome drug dependency and to rebuild their lives can serve as a powerful incentive for all of us to look with confidence to the future.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I encourage you to carry on your work with constantly renewed hope. To you and your associates I impart my blessing.” 




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Re: Popemania [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #22294357 - 09/26/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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imo he is attempting to modernize the church and that in and of itself is worth praise, whether or not it is completely self serving remains to be proven.




If by "modernizing", you mean he's become a complete puppet for the UN and their "climate change" agenda, and their "sustainable development" stack and pack plans for humans, and their "biodiversity project".  He stood there and read the UN script, verbatim.

Some of you folks need to start doing a little homework on this before you end up in the stack and pack so that a fish can perhaps live.





sorry i forgot my tin foil at home, is a stack and pack located on a fema camp? perhaps it is alluding to the high rise, high density habitations found in cities? Or is it just a master plan to herd the poor up into cages to preserve nature? really not sure what it is? 

i suppose you don't believe in climate change nor the need to revolutionize how we acquire energy. nor the idea of trying to preserve bio diversity to slow the current mass extinction humans are exuding on the other species... but i guess that isn't happening either huh? 

i didn't go full on sheep style, and i am not catholic, but i think he is attempting to bridge a large divide and is using the actual philosophy the church is supposed to spout while doing it.

i should probably read up on how the Vatican is a U.N. AKA N.W.O puppet.


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Re: Popemania [Re: soldatheero]
    #22294463 - 09/26/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am not sure what the whole climate change thing is about myself. I should say that even though I like the church, I am not the sort to hang on every word of the pope. I take what valuable teachings I find through the church and use them without becoming too involved with the political aspects.


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I enjoyed that post Peyote Road that was insightful. Pope Francis does seem quite promising and the fact that he is open to dialogue with other religions is an important point. He seems to understand the problem with dogma. Personally  I was touched by this message he gave about drug use,

Quote:

“ Ladies and Gentlemen,

….I express my appreciation for your work in combating this most serious and complex problem of our time……It is my hope that these days in Rome will prove profitable for your future efforts. In particular, I trust that you will accomplish the goals which you have set for yourselves: a more effective coordination of anti-narcotics policies, better sharing of relevant information and the development of an operative strategy aimed at fighting the drug trade.

The scourge of drug use continues to spread inexorably, fed by a deplorable commerce which transcends national and continental borders. As a result, the lives of more and more young people and adolescents are in danger. Faced with this reality, I can only manifest my grief and concern.

Let me state this in the clearest terms possible: the problem of drug use is not solved with drugs! Drug addiction is an evil, and with evil there can be no yielding or compromise. To think that harm can be reduced by permitting drug addicts to use narcotics in no way resolves the problem. Attempts, however limited, to legalize so-called “recreational drugs”, are not only highly questionable from a legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects. Substitute drugs are not an adequate therapy but rather a veiled means of surrendering to the phenomenon. Here I would reaffirm what I have stated on another occasion: No to every type of drug use. It is as simple as that. No to any kind of drug use (cf. General Audience, 7 May 2014). But to say this “no”, one has to say “yes” to life, “yes” to love, “yes” to others, “yes” to education, “yes” to greater job opportunities. If we say “yes” to all these things, there will be no room for illicit drugs, for alcohol abuse, for other forms of addiction.

The Church, in fidelity to Jesus’ command to go out to all those places where people suffer, thirst, hunger and are imprisoned (cf. Mt 25:31-46), does not abandon those who have fallen into the trap of drug addiction, but goes out to meet them with creative love. She takes them by the hand, thanks to the efforts of countless workers and volunteers, and helps them to rediscover their dignity and to revive those inner strengths, those personal talents, which drug use had buried but can never obliterate, since every man and woman is created in the image and likeness of God (cf. Gen 1:26).

The example of all those young people who are striving to overcome drug dependency and to rebuild their lives can serve as a powerful incentive for all of us to look with confidence to the future.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I encourage you to carry on your work with constantly renewed hope. To you and your associates I impart my blessing.” 








That is pretty cool, although I cant say I agree that all drug use is bad. I believe that entheogens can be used as tools to accelerate healing. But then again, I don't expect the pope to talk about that.


Enthoegen can and were also used for satanic purposes and that is why the church feared them.

But back to main point, I have thought about this also. From a political perspective, I am in favor of legalizing all drugs mainly because prohibition certainly hasn't worked very well and I think people should be as free as possible.

However, looking at it from a more Christian or loving perspective, simply legalizing drugs and allowing addicts to abuse them at will doesn't exactly solve the problem. it shifts the problem and helps to get rid of some problems, like impure drugs and gangs and illicit trafficking, but it really doesn't address the issue of addiction our society is suffering from.

I have to say I haven't really heard of a real solution to this problem anywhere. All people usually say is "more treatment, more education" but I maintain those things are not going to work very well if massive segments of society still feel unloved and without purpose.


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    #22297114 - 09/27/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nah, I don't think puppetry, this is as bizarre as when Bush called for a stop to the use of steroids in professional sports in a fucking State of the Union speech. This is a personal quirk and pushing the papacy into the realm of the absurd, that it parallels UN goals mabye synchronicity, but probably calculated by Francis.




Oh please, the Pope is nothing more than a puppet.  Quit drinking your "he's one of us, a Common Man" wine and eating those shitty crackers too.


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