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Have I completely messed this grow up?
    #22288169 - 09/25/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, I'll give you the full overview

Basically, on my recent trip to Amsterdam I decided to purchase a grow kit (after scouring your incredible site I have realised that these are not the best and I will be following a few guides I've favourited for my next grow) and began following it's instructions as soon as I got it home. It said to dunk for 12 hours, drain and put it somewhere with light (but not direct sunlight) at 20-25C to get it going. Up until a couple of days ago, everything was going well, got pins when it said they'd appear and began growing as rapidly as it said. However, now I have a full box of shrooms with a lot of them with what looks to be the mycelium growing quite a way up the stems. I've seen a few posts of people saying that a little bit is fine and safe, but to either fan more, mist more or both (My instruction I was following said to do none of this, therefore I do fully realise that this is my own fault and a lot more TLC will be happening on my 2nd attempt, I'm armed with the various bits of knowledge that I'm still reading through on these boards). These have only been above the surface of the substrate for 5 days now so I know they're not fully grown yet and maybe I'm just worrying too much.

My question is this: Are my shrooms completely ruined and would cause me to be incredibly ill if harvest them at the right time and ate them? Or will they be fine so long as I go forward with the misting etc I and dry them properly?

I'm really wanting to try them the weekend after they're complete as I've kept my schedule clean for the next 3 weekends but if they're a no go, I'm happy to get rid of all the shrooms and begin again with this kit (The instructions and the shop owners are adamant I should be able to get 3 flushes providing the substrate isn't contaminated). If the next one from this were to fail, I'll begin buying some bits to sterilise and grow properly.

Anyone would could provide any advice on this would be an absolute legend and have my eternal gratitude.

Now the box has only been taken out of the air filter bag to take the pics and was then placed back in. I washed and disinfected my hands and also used gloves to do my best to have no contamination. Otherwise, the plastic bag obscures the fruit too much to effectively see them.

Also, as I put the box back in the bag, I knocked one of the shrooms slightly and feared that it would start rotting and destroying the rest of the box. It was unfortunately one of the ones that didnt have a lot of the mycelium growing up the side, they were like little hairs and near enough disappeared after handling the fruit. This is a good sign right? (apart from it being a massive blunder obviously).

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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288213 - 09/25/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They need way more fresh air than what they're getting, is the issue, they aren't ruined but they're starving for air.  The mycelium disappearing when you handle it isn't a good sign for any particular reason, you're just matting it down.


Poke holes in the bag, and mist the substrate directly to compensate for any lost moisture.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288241 - 09/25/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you seem to have a lot of humidity and not enough fresh air exchange. But they certainly have potential to turn out well. As the above poster says, give those suckers more air.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288321 - 09/25/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Excellent, thank you very much for the advice to you all, I'm doing as you've recommended right after thanking you guys, as a final question, the one that I knocked and removed, would you say it could be eaten?

Purely just to see how they taste (I've had truffles before and just want to see if these taste worse), I know it won't make me trip. Here's what it currently looks like (I know it's a very immature fruit but I don't really just want to throw it away if I can eat. If it's not good I'll have no problems throwing it away).



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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288332 - 09/25/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dehydrate them. You will be fine :thumbup:


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288334 - 09/25/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You could eat it or you could get a head start on drying it.  OR if you're feeling frisky you can stand it back up where it fell off and it should re-attach itself and keep growing.  Up to you.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288345 - 09/25/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You could eat it or you could get a head start on drying it.  OR if you're feeling frisky you can stand it back up where it fell off and it should re-attach itself and keep growing.  Up to you.



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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288382 - 09/25/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I'm definitely not feeling risky :P. If it's gonna be safe to eat fresh I might just see if I'll be able to stomach them or if brewing a tea will be the best option. I wasn't a big fan of the truffle's taste and if I'm honest, I'm curious to what a fresh one would be like.

I get the feeling I'm over thinking things...

Anyways, I thank you all for the advice and encouraging words. It really is appreciated.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288443 - 09/25/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I said frisky, not risky.  It's not risky.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288452 - 09/25/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Most instructions with these kits are crap. They make it sound really easy so people are not put off. It needs fanning and misting for optimal growth, and its not much more effort.

This is similar to microwave meals, many just say stick in the micrwave for 10mins. Others tell you instructions for optimal heating, heat 2 mins, add 50ml water, microwave for 3 mins, stir, leave sit for 2 mins, microwave for 5 more mins. Some lazy people would buy the first one, even if the actual meal is identical.

But like microwave meals its better to ditch them and learn how to do it yourself. Read up on taking spore prints and cloning. The strain you got is probably reasonably good and if you clone it you can continue it on.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: blackout]
    #22288473 - 09/25/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah you could be having real macaroni and cheese instead of that weird shit on the divider plate next to a flat salisbury steak and a brownie or whatever.

Some people probably like stroganoff that's hot enough to burn you in one part and has ice crystals in the other.  Sounds unpredictable and exciting.

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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: blackout]
    #22288499 - 09/25/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

@Blackout, that's the plan at least. Like I said, I've realised this wasn't going to be amazing, this was mainly try it out and see if it's something I can get into and do properly. The way I'm seeing it is if this kit can get me some form of results, then I've got a bit more experience when I go for a more ambitious grow. And I completely agree with you, after comparing what these pathetic instructions say to some of these great guides on here, I'm lucky I've got anything growing really


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: RyanNT1]
    #22288509 - 09/25/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you can read at least enough to get yourself some spores from your fruits and learn agar then you can start over whenever, as many times as you want.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032261
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837

Bookmark all that shit.  When you don't need to reference them anymore, keep them bookmarked anyway because then you'll be pasting it to people like this.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288546 - 09/25/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can read at least enough to get yourself some spores from your fruits and learn agar then you can start over whenever, as many times as you want.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032261
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837

Bookmark all that shit.  When you don't need to reference them anymore, keep them bookmarked anyway because then you'll be pasting it to people like this.



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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22288571 - 09/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Man I WISH I got hit with links like this when I started.  I struggled from the depths.  My first insight into mushroom growing came from some dude in his 40s that advocated an automated setup with a drip shield, and said I HAD to have a glove box, probably didn't even know what an SAB was.  Then I learned PF tek, split the work with this dude I knew, got shit for yield(less than an ounce), and THEN I made a monotub, with improper hole configuration, and got about 2 ounces, which is shit yield for a mono but still blew my mind.  That was 4 years ago.  I started doing agar last year. :facepalm:

Anyway I'll spare you the life story but point is, I could've saved myself years of stupidity and agony if I had just come on here and knew what to look for.  Don't take it for granted, it's a fuckin gold mine.


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288590 - 09/25/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Speaking of gold mines, OP most people reccomend agar out the gate.  I definitely am one of them, as I dicked off for a while and used syringes.  Agar is awesome and you should jump straight in to it. 

BUT if you are hellbent and determined not to start agar (which you shouldn't be as  It's great and can potentially save you lots of headaches) then you can always go with this tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324#15223324

and also there are these videos (don't work on phones but free on computer) that will walk you through the process.

here ya go...
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Big Bear]
    #22288611 - 09/25/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Except PF tek almost feels like a downgrade from any kit that actually produces anything.


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    #22288633 - 09/25/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I only mention it in case the OP doesn't ahve the means to buy a PC or not really sure if he wants to drop the investment to get in to the hobby.  Grains ftw


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Re: Have I completely messed this grow up? [Re: Big Bear]
    #22288708 - 09/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm reading through these now and I definitely do. Thanks very much for the links, just need pay day to roll round and I can get it all under way.

Still, gives me time to properly digest this all and do things properly next time round


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