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Contact high from skinning cactus?
#22287941 - 09/25/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you get contact high from skinning and handling peruvian torches?
Probably no, and a silly question. But it's my first time preparing cactus.
Spent some 90 minutes handling the slimy chips with bare hands, they're now skinned and in the dehydrator. The dried chips are meant for (short term) storage, not for tripping tonight...
Just wanted to check with the community 
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22287965 - 09/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know for sure but I feel pretty damn confident enough to say no. Not unless you're handling literal tons of it. Even then I dunno if it'd be possible.
I just can't imagine there is any way in hell that enough of the mescaline could be absorbed through your skin while handling cactus alone.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22287967 - 09/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no proof other that numerous personal experiences. Only buzz I ever got from preparing cactus was anticipation of the trip. I'm gonna say no no skin contact high.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Faustoid]
#22288063 - 09/25/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, of course you're right, there is simply not enough substance in contact with the skin.
But I'm all alone in the house tonight, and then you start to have strange ideas, even when sober LoL
Thanx anyway!
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288109 - 09/25/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What are you doing with the skins? They should be frozen to rupture the cell walls adding to easier absorption.
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Mescaline is active in the decigram range orally and is not absorbed through the skin so the chances of a contact high are non existent.
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passifloracaerulea said: What are you doing with the skins? They should be frozen to rupture the cell walls adding to easier absorption.
Ow, I tossed them in the bin. Heard somewhere that the skin contributes more to the nausea than to the high.
I did keep the cores intact though. When it's time I'll grind the chips (minus skins, but with cores) up and make tea of it all.
I considered tossing the cores too, but the cultivator I bought them from said keep the cores for the extra alkaloids.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288189 - 09/25/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throwing away the skin is a mortal sin.
Freeze them up, thaw, freeze again.
Or eat fresh on the comeup. They chewwwwy for jaw clenching it's nice.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Peachette]
#22288218 - 09/25/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Omg, so I did something stupid again
But no nausea from the skin?
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288238 - 09/25/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its okay, I didn't find out the greenest hardest skin was the bestest for a few trips. I got a 10 inch pedro and didn't want to waste any so I just ate the skin and found out that way.
Nausea I guess if you have an aversion to it. If you power through it and smoke weed you should be fine.
You do know you're highly likely going to purge, right? Things start getting fun after that.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Peachette]
#22288267 - 09/25/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, I expect nausea to be unavoidable. At least in the beginning. I hope it stops after the purging. Not much a fan of nausea, who is.
It's just, I feared that the skin would contribute more to the nausea than to the high.
But you're saying, eat the skin anyway, it's worth it?
Btw: I've got a 38cm Matucana Peruvian Torch. My guy says he sells to shamans. I met him, he's a real cactus nerd, so I have positive expectations...
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz] 1
#22288276 - 09/25/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are only high concentrations of mescaline in the green parts where the chlorophyll is. The white-colorless interior parts of the cacti are discarded because they contain almost nothing and only add to the bulk and slime that you have to consume. If you tossed the skins then you clearly don't have a clue what you're doing and should get a tek from one of us who does.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288282 - 09/25/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's fun to chew on while tripping I guess, it can't hurt there's going to be alkaloids and actives in it. Just never do the core in tea. Evar. To me it's just like riding a bike, the initial chug sucks sometimes after all these years.
Just remembered I've got dried ptorch skin somewhere and I let the summer slip by. 
And everyone sells to shamans. 
Hang in there man you'll get it. Don't worry about the nausea it doesn't really last and some people report mushroom gas and nausea is worse. I'd have to agree depending on the mushroom.
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passifloracaerulea said: If you tossed the skins then you clearly don't have a clue what you're doing and should get a tek from one of us who does.
Hmm.. I tried to do my homework. On this site. There were teks that removed the thin thin (<1mm) translucent leathery layer. So that's what I did. I know about the green part being most active. So I didn't waste any of it. I didn't totally screw up, did I?
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288324 - 09/25/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think there is some confusion in this thread. The skin (waxy clear layer) is okay to discard. It does not contain high concentrations of mescaline. The first layer of green flesh (which is not skin) does contain high concentrations of mescaline. So, as long as you saved the green flesh, then you are good. I think the confusion comes from dried "skin" sold on the web. It is the skin attached to the green flesh.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22288351 - 09/25/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought he tossed the green. If you want to peel the thin leathery shit off that's fine and may reduce nausea, but I just puke once and then it comes on strong. The times I haven't barfed have been much more uncomfortable simply because my body has to digest the cactus. The trips where I did barf were probably even more visual too for some reason, and less sluggish.
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Ah, ok. That explains.
Peachette, then you also talk about the green part as the skin right? You don't nibble the thin glassy stuff do you?
And you say never ever use the white core for tea. Did it make you more sick?
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288650 - 09/25/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never actually used the core but it's well known to be worthless and definitely makes the whole thing slimier and causing more nausea.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288670 - 09/25/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose the best way to describe it is like eating an artichoke - use my teeth to get the wet skin and later on chew the remaining. Waste not, want not. The leftover stuff you can chew and keep in the corner of your mouth but not many people do this from what I've read.
As for the core, it will make more sludge to get down that hardly does anything. My favorite is to do a "tea" (emulsion) and chew some fresh but I usually do 18 to 24 inches. My dried ptorch skin is the thin stuff under the waxy layer. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier sorry.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Peachette]
#22288722 - 09/25/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I leave the waxy part on and I even leave the spines on it too. I hardly get any nausea. Sometime I use the core too if it isn't hardened yet. I make it into a tar thou so I'm not really eating much of that stuff anyways.
Are you planning on just eating the dried cactus chunks? If so, that sounds disgusting and I would imagine that would make you puke and give you stomache ache. I think most people make a tea or some kind of simple extraction.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22288797 - 09/25/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, as a cactus noob, I was taking it too literally I guess, as in: skin=outer most layer. Didn't realize that the green flesh is also being sold as "skin".
The current plan is to make a tea extraction. First I'll grind the dried chips to a powder. Then I'll simmer/boil that in water for some time (how long?). Strain through a cheese cloth. Reboil in fresh water and strain again. Repeat 5 times. Then boil the resulting tea down until there is about, say, 0.5 liter left. That I plan to drink.
I imagine the more concentrated it is the more bitter it will become. But lower concentration means I have to drink more. There should be an optimum somewhere, where the taste is manageable and the amount too... 0.5 liter for 38cm? Perhaps even less?
Oh, and I chopped the center cores out just now. It was hard and woody. I took some of the white stuff with it. None of the green. Even left some extra white just to make sure I didn't cut out too much.
Thanx for the tips everyone!
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288849 - 09/25/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The taste will never be manageable. IMO you want to get it as concentrated as possible.
I can't tell if you're getting rid of the green stuff or not. You definitely want to keep the green!!! If you are unsure just use everything except the core.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22288914 - 09/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely keeping the green stuff! Plus a little extra, soft-white from the inside.
Only tossed the real inner core, the hard and kind of woody part, and the thin waxy outer most skin. Took care not to throw out any of the green flesh.
As concentrated as possible you say. I'll do that. Say, 1 tea cup, or +/- 100cc for the whole 38cm cactus.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288985 - 09/25/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not really sure. Whatever you can stomache I guess. I tried drinking the tea once and I'm too much of a little bitch to try to gulp that down again. I always do an alcohol extract now because the effects aren't that much different from tea and I can just swallow it like a pill without tasting anything, except mescaline burps.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22289077 - 09/25/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And then there is the dreaded subject of plugging. I try to have an open...mind, but it always seems to bring out mixed reactions on the message boards. It's supposed to be more potent anyway.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22289400 - 09/25/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hanz said: ...Say, 1 tea cup, or +/- 100cc for the whole 38cm cactus...
Yes, this should be good. Drinking 0.5 L would be impossible for me. The first sip doesn't taste to bad. But, with each subsequent gulp, it becomes more and more unbearable.
For making the tea, do 3, 2 hour pulls. Then boil it down. Also, you can add lemon/lime juice or vinegar to help extract the goodies. Depending which you use, you will be left with mescaline citrate or mescaline acetate.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22289576 - 09/25/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, thanx. Will use some fresh lemon juice then.
All done now with the skinning and drying preparation. The chips just got out of the dehydrator, cracker dry, all the green parts saved.
Now they go into short term air tight storage until the day is there. Will probably do the boiling the afternoon and night before. Then drink the tea the next morning. Tea can be stored for one night in the fridge at 7*C right?
That way I'll have all day to trip, and hope to be able to sleep at a normal-ish hour the night after.
Oh, and conclusion: after 6 hours no contact high, of course! 
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22289647 - 09/25/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep it above freezing yes.
I never let it sit in the fridge anymore. It might have been two isolated incidents but it seemed as if it fermented or something. It was terrible. I have a pretty iron stomach and gag reflex from Church ceremonies and I'll tell you, for not appearing rotten it certainly tasted like a week old beer that someone used to spit their chew in, someone tried to drink it and proceeded to vomit it all back in.
I'll only start prep at 8am, pull after 3 hours and repeat two more times, simmer to sludge and trip all night into dawn. If I don't like the way it looks (very light colored) then I'll skin another one and use those for chewing after my purge. I've grown to enjoy chewing fresh skin (waxy skin and the dark green) over the years but it brings another peak and much longer plateau.
You also don't need a lot of lemon juice either. I only add it at the beginning.
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