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Hanz
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22288797 - 09/25/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, as a cactus noob, I was taking it too literally I guess, as in: skin=outer most layer. Didn't realize that the green flesh is also being sold as "skin".
The current plan is to make a tea extraction. First I'll grind the dried chips to a powder. Then I'll simmer/boil that in water for some time (how long?). Strain through a cheese cloth. Reboil in fresh water and strain again. Repeat 5 times. Then boil the resulting tea down until there is about, say, 0.5 liter left. That I plan to drink.
I imagine the more concentrated it is the more bitter it will become. But lower concentration means I have to drink more. There should be an optimum somewhere, where the taste is manageable and the amount too... 0.5 liter for 38cm? Perhaps even less?
Oh, and I chopped the center cores out just now. It was hard and woody. I took some of the white stuff with it. None of the green. Even left some extra white just to make sure I didn't cut out too much.
Thanx for the tips everyone!
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288849 - 09/25/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The taste will never be manageable. IMO you want to get it as concentrated as possible.
I can't tell if you're getting rid of the green stuff or not. You definitely want to keep the green!!! If you are unsure just use everything except the core.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22288914 - 09/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely keeping the green stuff! Plus a little extra, soft-white from the inside.
Only tossed the real inner core, the hard and kind of woody part, and the thin waxy outer most skin. Took care not to throw out any of the green flesh.
As concentrated as possible you say. I'll do that. Say, 1 tea cup, or +/- 100cc for the whole 38cm cactus.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22288985 - 09/25/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not really sure. Whatever you can stomache I guess. I tried drinking the tea once and I'm too much of a little bitch to try to gulp that down again. I always do an alcohol extract now because the effects aren't that much different from tea and I can just swallow it like a pill without tasting anything, except mescaline burps.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22289077 - 09/25/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And then there is the dreaded subject of plugging. I try to have an open...mind, but it always seems to bring out mixed reactions on the message boards. It's supposed to be more potent anyway.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22289400 - 09/25/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hanz said: ...Say, 1 tea cup, or +/- 100cc for the whole 38cm cactus...
Yes, this should be good. Drinking 0.5 L would be impossible for me. The first sip doesn't taste to bad. But, with each subsequent gulp, it becomes more and more unbearable.
For making the tea, do 3, 2 hour pulls. Then boil it down. Also, you can add lemon/lime juice or vinegar to help extract the goodies. Depending which you use, you will be left with mescaline citrate or mescaline acetate.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22289576 - 09/25/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, thanx. Will use some fresh lemon juice then.
All done now with the skinning and drying preparation. The chips just got out of the dehydrator, cracker dry, all the green parts saved.
Now they go into short term air tight storage until the day is there. Will probably do the boiling the afternoon and night before. Then drink the tea the next morning. Tea can be stored for one night in the fridge at 7*C right?
That way I'll have all day to trip, and hope to be able to sleep at a normal-ish hour the night after.
Oh, and conclusion: after 6 hours no contact high, of course! 
Love, Hanz.
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Re: Contact high from skinning cactus? [Re: Hanz]
#22289647 - 09/25/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep it above freezing yes.
I never let it sit in the fridge anymore. It might have been two isolated incidents but it seemed as if it fermented or something. It was terrible. I have a pretty iron stomach and gag reflex from Church ceremonies and I'll tell you, for not appearing rotten it certainly tasted like a week old beer that someone used to spit their chew in, someone tried to drink it and proceeded to vomit it all back in.
I'll only start prep at 8am, pull after 3 hours and repeat two more times, simmer to sludge and trip all night into dawn. If I don't like the way it looks (very light colored) then I'll skin another one and use those for chewing after my purge. I've grown to enjoy chewing fresh skin (waxy skin and the dark green) over the years but it brings another peak and much longer plateau.
You also don't need a lot of lemon juice either. I only add it at the beginning.
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