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OfflineRichard Haydn
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22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report
    #22287940 - 09/25/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys,

a few weeks ago I did 22 grams of High Hawaiians, spent a beautiful day outside and then felt like writing about it. It's kind of a blog - part trip report, part short story, part me rambling about spirituality and other things I'm interested in. It's another one of those, yeah.

:-)

I posted a link on /r/psychonaut a while ago, but no one seemed to care. That's fine. I just thought I'd give it another chance.

Here's the link and below is an excerpt. It'd be cool if you check it out and let me know what you think.


Love,
Eli

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I have a hard time keeping my eyes open. It feels like the shrooms are putting a protective layer over my skin, warm and greasy – some sort of amniotic fluid, maybe, so I can smoothly slide into their world. What am I even talking about? I have to lower my head even more. The shrooms are making me bow to them. They want full control and I put up no resistance.

That’s the whole trick: just don’t be afraid. 5 grams? 10? 22? It’s not the dosage that makes a bad trip more likely to happen – it’s your fear of the dosage. There are no bad trips, anyway, if you go along with where the shrooms decide to take you. Accept them as your personal Virgil, staging your own little Divine Comedy for you – before you get to paradise, they might just take you through the 9 circles of hell first. What do I know.

When I finally close my eyes I awaken to a viscous ocean of molten rainbows, whipped up by a storm raging inside my mind; the next second that liquid morphs into a living landscape, pulsating, flickering with colors and patterns, simultaneously blossoming and withering; meandering towards a pitch-black horizon, forming gigantic mountain ranges with orchid-like tentacles growing out of its peaks; a krakenworld, born from some forgotten deities’ primal scream, offering itself up to me like a sacrifice; its body: a sacred temple beyond human understanding, permanently shape-shifting, covered in runes that might just as well be alien letters, telling stories of otherwordly wars our imagination can’t even begin to grasp – concentric circles filled with octagons, octagons filled with cogwheels, some transparent, some colorful, all of them forever turning, like a divine engine room built aeons ago from …

“You seriously need some water, dude.”

“What?”

I open my eyes and find myself lying in the dirt, a few feet away from where I was sitting. There are two vapor trails right above me, forming an X - like Shiva scratched it in the sky with his pinky’s fingernail, reminding me: you are here.


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: Richard Haydn]
    #22288146 - 09/25/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, that is AWESOME - Thank you.
Beautiful writing - insightful & creative & sharing -
Keep it up - write & then share w/ good folk in good places ! !
a good way! :smile:

Personally, I don't feel that hell is necessary to go through, tho' I can attest to the fact: 'Heaven wouldn't be so high I know if the times gone by hadn't been so low,'  and it's an interesting thought - to ask - do you ever go through trials of fire, every few years, just for the self-surpassing of it, the growth of it?

And not even with any psychs - that could be spending a few months somewhere you wouldn't think of going. . . something like that -

:smile:


this is what I liked best -

'a sacred temple beyond human understanding, permanently shape-shifting, covered in runes'  - very nice -

keep writing brother -

Peace,
Jake


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: Richard Haydn]
    #22288965 - 09/25/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, it is fear of the high dose ingested  that breaks a trip bad? What about the guy who became so convinced he was Jesus that the only thing that kept him from going out in the streets and market places of his town proclaiming himself was the lucky fact that he came down before he could get to where he wanted to go. And how about the guy who was utterly sure someone would kill him before the end of the day. Is it high dose fear that sets up these delusional states? This is not a rhetorical question. It would be nice to get a solid answer to this.

You know, of course, that even Terence McKenna, advocate of the heroic dose, got a bad scare from a high dose adventure.

It may be that one can build up to high doses, become more and more able to cope with the loose cannon-like nature of these subtances once they make  up more than a certain percentage of the partaker's blood.


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: champinhom]
    #22289337 - 09/25/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am one, personally, that believes that very little dose is necessary to see the highest, at least with LSD.  As William James put it, there are all kinds, many other states of consciousness, separated from us by only a thin veil ( paraphrased ),

If it is a thin veil, why would a great amount of psychs be needed to experience it?


Putting it another way - to experience our connection to the world & universe; we're always interconnected - interplay - or, as Taoists, Hindus, & Buddhists, as well as First People (c.f. Black Elk) and others have it - one with the universe;

if we are connected - but don't feel it - that's like an illusion;


to see thru that illusion, again would seem to require very little in the way of pyschs - in other words, to experience what you are ( the whole universe, etc. )


So I wouldn't say at all that high doses are necessary - but this is just me, personally.  Also - my experience had with it a fair certitude that this was definitely, the highest feeling it was possible to feel . . that was after about 6 hours of beautiful, divine consciousness, exploring a couple of different things, which all came after the initial 'flip' of non-duality - the first impression I had of infinite peace; knowing that, no matter what, there was never a reason to worry or doubt.

Basically, that's my reasoning. .

As to bad trips ( and forgive me for rambling, if it is too much, just a particular and - from when I had the experience, and later, very significant one )

I do not feel they are necessary, and I do also believe it's possible to not have them if one doesn't wish to -


eh, to express that a little more simply and directly; for me, I knew with fair certitude that it would be impossible for me to have a bad trip. . . this was because - when I was still, the experience increased, and when I moved, it abated to basically nothing - so, if I wished not to enter the experience, I would simply have to keep moving.


Of course - it depends on the person; and what's in our h'art and mind, and that is shaped by our inner lives & life in general.

Which is why I would definitely recommend a couple or few spiritual disciplines to be learned before hand, or simply, 2-3 weeks of several hours a day, walking in nature or something like that. . Simply - reflection, or a practice to heal & strengthen oneself -

basically - if one is at peace & happy, from the top to the bottom, so to speak, I do believe it would be almost 0% likelihood of having a bad trip. . . I feel, the main point here is having some ability to go where one wishes, in the inner fields. . .

Another good point is - something Vivekananda shared - the more calm we are, the better we are able to concentrate, & the more work we can get done. . . this applies in normal life, & it also applies on psychadelics in my experience.

It's been about 8 years since i Tripped, or maybe 6 - either way; definitely someday I will again, for now I am quite happy with the occasional gram of sacred herb that passes my way. . . a very happy indeed :smile:
hehe

Ultimately I'm sure it's our childhood which has some of the biggest effect on it . . . of course all our decisions from then on affect us; but that's when a lot of our personality is formed. . . Both with limitations that are there, & some that aren't - the closer we are to reality from the get-go - & that is not a static or limitable thing - the better. . .

In other words, healing from what our parents passed to us, in terms of mistakes of the h'art, perception, behavior - etc. - that is the first task, it seemed to me since a kid.  & then also bringing each thing we touch to its best form. . . I mean - ecology, or any field, bringing it to a new level, like Alekhine, Fischer & Carlsen each did with chess.

tl;dr I know. :smile:

Peace, have a great day.


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22289834 - 09/25/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

once in a lifetime said:


If it is a thin veil, why would a great amount of psychs be needed to experience it?







Why indeed?


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: champinhom]
    #22290767 - 09/25/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure there are solid answers to any of this - it's all about personal experiences. Honestly? I think the guy who became so convinced he was Jesus was a nut job before he did psychedelics. :-) If you're a self-aware person, shrooms can be a tool to help you see yourself more clearly. If you're delusional from the get go, they will make you believe whatever crap you tell yourself.

Shrooms are an amplifier - they don't make you go crazy. I don't believe a high dosage makes a bad trip more likely to happen. Why? Personal experience. That's all I can refer to. A high dosage intensifies the visuals and the feeling of losing yourself, or: your ego, rather. There are no bad trips -there's just you resisting to go where the shrooms decide to take you.

It sounds kind of kooky, I know, but that's how I experience psychedelics.

As to Terence McKenna: He's a fascinating character, sure, but people need to stop taking his opinions as gospel. He didn't know more than you or I do - he was just a talented speaker. That's it. The guy believed he could predict the future by somehow deciphering the I Ging! :-)

If psychedelics taught me anything, it's that you have to knock people like McKenna or Leary off the high horse people put them on, and make/interpret your own experiences. That's what taking psychedelics is about in the first place: making your own experiences, right?


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: Richard Haydn]
    #22298595 - 09/27/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Richard Haydn said:

As to Terence McKenna: He's a fascinating character, sure, but people need to stop taking his opinions as gospel. He didn't know more than you or I do - he was just a talented speaker. That's it. The guy believed he could predict the future by somehow deciphering the I Ging! :-)

If psychedelics taught me anything, it's that you have to knock people like McKenna or Leary off the high horse people put them on, and make/interpret your own experiences. That's what taking psychedelics is about in the first place: making your own experiences, right?




Yes, McKenna had a gift for words, but he has no pedestal rights in my book. Ditto and double ditto for Leary.

You say phychedelics is about making one's own experiences. I would say they are about finding out just what it means to experience. What is experience itself, what is it made of?

Right! Down with all the high horsemen!


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My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said.

Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking.
Saul Bellow

“People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing

Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P.  Silocybin


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: champinhom]
    #22298609 - 09/27/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful writing.
We have all visited, but have forgotten until a glimpse is again shown to us. Then the familiar becomes NEW once again.


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Re: 22 grams of High Hawaiians - Some sort of trip report [Re: Higher Love]
    #22323268 - 10/02/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is going to sound horribly cheesy, but I've rarely been that happy about getting responses to anything I've written - even if it's just a few. Simply knowing that a couple of people actually read at least part of the blog feels nice. Thanks!

None of my friends are even remotely interested in any of this stuff. Psychedelics? Spirituality? Trying to understand what this is all about and how strange the human existence is? Forget about it. Thinking about this shit immediately makes you the weird one - and that's who I am already anyway.

:-)

I don't blame them, though, and this is not about me trying to come across as superior. I just enjoy making some honest connections, no matter how fleeting they are. I don't know. And I'm afraid I'm not strictly speaking sober right now.

Anyway. Have a nice weekend, guys!


Love,
Eli


PS: Here's my summer in one pic.



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